The 7 (or 5) stages of grief - how many weeks or months before people reach stage 7 (or 5)?

The min difference is. VW took senior level responsibility for it, owned the problem and just sucked it up. who is leading the effort at fdev to rectify things? Who is standing up and offering a mea culpa for releasing the game in such a state in the first place, and disappointing so many cus DB didn’t do it. His was more like, sorry about these unforeseen technical things, but as these forums and steam reviews show they ain’t the entire thing,

it needs visible and accountable ownership and leadership at fdev.

The %^@$@ they did. VW denied everything for over a year, and put the issues down to technical glitches. The CEO stepped down eventually when the EPA in the US went into a full investigation/prosecution mode, and he was indicted as a criminal (and is currently labeled a fugitive in the USA) but beyond that all VW ended up doing was a public apology, and offer to buy back the effected cars or repair them, and pay a fine.

Which is basically what Frontier has done (well, minus the fact that Davey B isn't a fugitive from justice) The CEO has repeatedly publicly apologised for the state of the release, has promised to fix it, begged for patience while they sort it out, and anyone who's bought the game and are disappointed with the current state can get their money back.

I'm not sure what more is expected of him? David Braben walking naked through the streets of Cambridge with a sign around his neck, while disgruntled gamers follow him ringing bells and shouting "shame"?
 
The %^@$@ they did. VW denied everything for over a year, and put the issues down to technical glitches. The CEO stepped down eventually when the EPA in the US went into a full investigation/prosecution mode, and he was indicted as a criminal (and is currently labeled a fugitive in the USA) but beyond that all VW ended up doing was a public apology, and offer to buy back the effected cars or repair them, and pay a fine.

Which is basically what Frontier has done (well, minus the fact that Davey B isn't a fugitive from justice) The CEO has repeatedly publicly apologised for the state of the release, has promised to fix it, begged for patience while they sort it out, and anyone who's bought the game and are disappointed with the current state can get their money back.

I'm not sure what more is expected of him? David Braben walking naked through the streets of Cambridge with a sign around his neck, while disgruntled gamers follow him ringing bells and shouting "shame"?
Not everyone wanting their monies are having their monies returned though. Steam does not wish to honor a lot of the refunds. Also, are you my cousin Will?
 
Not everyone wanting their monies are having their monies returned though. Steam does not wish to honor a lot of the refunds. Also, are you my cousin Will?
That's true (the Steam thing, not the thing about me being your cousin, although if you're tempted to share some of that 420...)

That said, shouldn't people be cheesed off at Steam and their policy for that?
 
That's true (the Steam thing, not the thing about me being your cousin, although if you're tempted to share some of that 420...)

That said, shouldn't people be cheesed off at Steam and their policy for that?
I agree. I think what's been the most significant catalyst in all of this is those who became increasingly upset when they couldn't do anything else about it. So it just kept boiling over
 
I would expect the complaining to become louder the longer the problems drag on.
No analogies needed, FD made misleading comments during Alpha that many issues were related to the build being used in Alpha, people believed them and didn't ask for refund.
Broken product goes gold, no refunds allowed due to refund window closed, weeks later what was delivered is still in a broken state.
I never trusted FD enough to pre-purchase, but I never thought FD would stoop so low for what seems to be release decisions based on meeting a financial target.
They don't deserve the loyalty their clientele continue to show them.
 
The %^@$@ they did. VW denied everything for over a year, and put the issues down to technical glitches. The CEO stepped down eventually when the EPA in the US went into a full investigation/prosecution mode, and he was indicted as a criminal (and is currently labeled a fugitive in the USA) but beyond that all VW ended up doing was a public apology, and offer to buy back the effected cars or repair them, and pay a fine.

Which is basically what Frontier has done (well, minus the fact that Davey B isn't a fugitive from justice) The CEO has repeatedly publicly apologised for the state of the release, has promised to fix it, begged for patience while they sort it out, and anyone who's bought the game and are disappointed with the current state can get their money back.

I'm not sure what more is expected of him? David Braben walking naked through the streets of Cambridge with a sign around his neck, while disgruntled gamers follow him ringing bells and shouting "shame"?
Except people ARENT getting their monies back. Most of us purchased through Steam, and Steam counts hours played in the base game, not the DLC, when deciding on refund eligibility.

I'd imagine most people buying the DLC already played the base game, so I would not be at all surprised if a majority of dissatisfied customers were not able to get a refund.
 
Except people ARENT getting their monies back. Most of us purchased through Steam, and Steam counts hours played in the base game, not the DLC, when deciding on refund eligibility.

I'd imagine most people buying the DLC already played the base game, so I would not be at all surprised if a majority of dissatisfied customers were not able to get a refund.
Which is garbage, completely agree with that, but isn’t that an issue to take up with Steam?
 
I mean, come on guys. What's done is done. Everyone who wanted a moan has had plenty of moans already. FD have stated their plans for the coming months and its not likely they can say any more than that.

Yeah, Odyssey release was bad. I'm still not playing and won't until I can play with decent FPS (which may be months away or perhaps even never), and i'm not happy about it.

But hells people, some people are still banging on about it.

Its been a month already. Everything that needed to be said has been said. FD have already heard everything from words of support to people declaring refunds or they are throwing their computers out of the window because Odyssey made them so angry.

Time to progress to stage 7, get over it. Play something else. Play Horizons. Or if you can, play Odyssey if you want.

VR users, accept it, VR for legs isn't happening this year at least, if ever. You're still in the bargaining phase, trying to get FD to change their plans. Its not happening.

People with performance issues - get over it. FD are working on it, but it might never improve significantly. Pass through the grief, move into acceptance.

People with other issues - you've reported them, you've said your piece, and hopefully FD are listening. If they are, and they agree with you and are capable of changing things, then its just a matter of time. If they are not listening or they don't agree with your issues or they simply can't change those things, then it doesn't matter. Time to move on.

Or, alternately, spend your energy for the coming months complaining about stuff. I mean, there is one positive. You can keep complaining and complaining until FD eventually do improve performance and perhaps add VR or make other changes, and then when they do you can claim credit for making FD do it. Of course you didn't, but you can claim you did, and that if it wasn't for you then FD would never have done anything. There is probably some comfort to living in that sort of reality. :p

Or perhaps you'll simply claim that its people like me that allow devs to get away with doing bad stuff, and that only if everyone was like you that we wouldn't have devs putting out bad releases. In which case, I can only say LOL.

And no Bottom Hat, no stuffz to be had here. I'm just waiting for FD to sort stuff out. It might be a while though.

In the meantime, i'm sinking tens of hours into Kingmaker and there is a sequel coming out later this year. Looking forward to that!

PS: If you want something to watch while playing games, watch Future Man! If you're not laughing within 20 minutes, then you are probably dead.
Alright, Braben and Art come on out, the gig is up, we know it's u?
 
What, you’re over SE already? Or was that just a rebound? 🙂
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Though unfortunately ED is not that pretty anymore..
 
Subjective. But in that scenario you obviously need multiple platforms to run all those at the same time. After seeing that, it appears to be the only way to go🤷‍♂️
Technically, if you watch the show you'll see that everyone is on a separate schedule when it came to "bedroom time". Not that I'm advocating polygamy, mind you! I'm just saying it's possible to have more than love in a person's space gaming life, and all those games live happily on my PC.
 
Technically, if you watch the show you'll see that everyone is on a separate schedule when it came to "bedroom time". Not that I'm advocating polygamy, mind you! I'm just saying it's possible to have more than love in a person's space gaming life, and all those games live happily on my PC.
Nothing wrong with polygamy but in why separate all that when it's already ready in one place now?
 
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