The Code oppose legal highs in DISO

[GluttonyFang]

Honestly, you're really good. You've got that sort of verbose, pseudo-analytical, totalitarian dictatorial patois down to a "T". Did you take some drama lessons perhaps?

Oh! That's really you! My word! Diso must be enjoying a huge upsurge in political satire right now.

I must drop by.

Sorry, don't have time for people who cannot appreciate the social science that societies and special sciences use as their foundation.

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LOL, that's exactly what i've seen. Me and a friend play in the same room on occasion. We've had between us 5 "incidences" with CODE, and they combat log every time.

Hah... almost getting tired to these accusations, but you have the right to believe in what you want. Send the names of the suspects over, we'll deal with the matter internally.

Hopefully this isn't the 9001th time that I have to sigh in disappointment because the names do not match our member list.

There's this thing called claiming to be CODE and doing things we do not promote while at it.

 

[GluttonyFang]

You're pirates.

Yes, you basically hypothetically did that. The option was buy it or be a target. I never purchased your protection, but I'm fairly certain that your "EULA" argument doesn't hold up when you drop your service altogether. Also, it's not really a valid argument because EULA is a user license agreement made after you purchase a product and receive the product you purchased. They aren't receiving the product they purchased if they paid for protection from you and you void the travel passes because " it, we're bored". Nice try but that's not at all like an EULA.

I don't think you have an accurate grasp on the situation, you don't know what we are doing with our travel pass members, therefore I suggest you withhold your accusation on that ground. Nowhere in my post mentions "voiding," or "terminating" any travel passes. We have our methodology, please respect its confidentiality and find something else to harass.

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You have a very broad interpretation of the meaning of the word "coercion"

Excuse me for having a different interpretation than you on a specific word. Perhaps if you read Goldman's work on Anarchism you would have a better understanding.

 

[Star-Hunter]

Nowhere in my post mentions "voiding," or "terminating" any travel passes.

I like this sentence

Politician speak for "Im not going to talk about it, i cant confirm or deny anything".


p.s. for non members it is impossible to confirm if a player who claims to be CODE really is. If he acts consistent with your groups emo and claims to be a member, there is no reason to doubt he is a member.
Denying his membership is no more credible then his claim to be a member. For us outsiders anyway.

 

[GluttonyFang]

I like this sentence

Politician speak for "Im not going to talk about it, i cant confirm or deny anything".


p.s. for non members it is impossible to confirm if a player who claims to be CODE really is. If he acts consistent with your groups emo and claims to be a member, there is no reason to doubt he is a member.
Denying his membership is no more credible then his claim to be a member. For us outsiders anyway.

I do have one of my major in political science, so good assessment, sir.

But confidentiality is confidentiality? You don't walk up to a bank and asks them how much money they currently have. You don't walk up to a corporation CEO and asks him when will the company boom so you can manipulate the stock market.

However, what you're suggesting is that if someone is pirating and calls himself/herself/itself CODE, outsiders hold every right to confirm that this individual is a CODE member.

That does sound plausible, however, the consequence of that is that this individual's assertion robs his/her/its credibility. We have an forum of our own, active members on Frontier Forum, and also active members on Reddit. If the victims of piracy really wish to know the identity of their predators, they have more than enough opportunity resources to consult one of us on any of these platforms to reach a valid conclusion.

But people do not do that, why is that?

Well I say they are indolent and have ideologies that clash with CODE.

CODE is a legitimate, player content-contributing, non-grieving player organization in game who merely advance a vastly different interest than the majority, which garners conflicts of interests.

People hold every right to despise us, however expect us to defend ourselves since we are a minority and do not fall back on the safety net of assumed, standardized morality like the majority.

What we stand for is independent of what impostors of CODE wish to imagine us to be. If we are willing to put up with eighty percent of traders running after our warning message and waste our ammo/time to shoot out their drives, how about some mutual respect of researching/consulting CODE members to identify whether your encounter with a pirate was a CODE associate or not?

I say that is fair.

 

[Star-Hunter]

I do have one of my major in political science, so good assessment, sir.

thank you. its good to be able to find meaning while reading between the lines. Even better when it is a response

But confidentiality is confidentiality? You don't walk up to a bank and asks them how much money they currently have. You don't walk up to a corporation CEO and asks him when will the company boom so you can manipulate the stock market.

I wasnt trying to suggest that you have to disclose information, merely that you understand the other peers position.

However, what you're suggesting is that if someone is pirating and calls himself/herself/itself CODE, outsiders hold every right to confirm that this individual is a CODE member.
That does sound plausible, however, the consequence of that is that this individual's assertion robs his/her/its credibility. We have an forum of our own, active members on Frontier Forum, and also active members on Reddit. If the victims of piracy really wish to know the identity of their predators, they have more than enough opportunity resources to consult one of us on any of these platforms to reach a valid conclusion.

My point is that for an outsider any source that is not first hand has equal credibility, and it is human nature to assume the worst. (The "false positive error" we evolved with)

Well I say they are indolent and have ideologies that clash with CODE.

CODE is a legitimate, player content-contributing, non-grieving player organization in game who merely advance a vastly different interest than the majority, which garners conflicts of interests.

People hold every right to despise us, however expect us to defend ourselves since we are a minority and do not fall back on the safety net of assumed, standardized morality like the majority.

Ok i agree with you there, but if you take a stance like that, expect the heavy fallout.

What we stand for is independent of what impostors of CODE wish to imagine us to be. If we are willing to put up with eighty percent of traders running after our warning message and waste our ammo/time to shoot out their drives, how about some mutual respect of researching/consulting CODE members to identify whether your encounter with a pirate was a CODE associate or not?

I say that is fair.

I think this is a case of the subjective observer effect. You have to consider their view point to be able to evaluate and predict their reaction.

when you are pirating, you are taking/stealing their property. You can expect a very emotional response (anger, rage, fear, panic, grief), but im pretty sure you should not expect respect.

You are much more likely to receive mutual respect between Bounty hunter and pirate.

 

[GluttonyFang]

thank you. its good to be able to find meaning while reading between the lines. Even better when it is a response



I wasnt trying to suggest that you have to disclose information, merely that you understand the other peers position.


My point is that for an outsider any source that is not first hand has equal credibility, and it is human nature to assume the worst. (The "false positive error" we evolved with)



Ok i agree with you there, but if you take a stance like that, expect the heavy fallout.


I think this is a case of the subjective observer effect. You have to consider their view point to be able to evaluate and predict their reaction.

when you are pirating, you are taking/stealing their property. You can expect a very emotional response (anger, rage, fear, panic, grief), but im pretty sure you should not expect respect.

You are much more likely to receive mutual respect between Bounty hunter and pirate.

You're welcome, I like to be straight forward at times.

I agree, and I am stating the standpoint of the CODE on the identical subject. Both sides are warranted their opinion and I was giving mine.

Indeed human nature unfortunately becomes the pitfall, again, however that argument can be made from our angle, as well. It's just that I find it quite saddening that when human society has such high moral and ethical expectation for itself (for law-abiding citizens of course) only to throw everything out of the window when it is convenient. But yes, human nature indeed. People only want to believe what they already assume to be true, inevitable, but that applies on every level. I don't think it's really a valid argument, but more of a passive effect. I suppose any attempt of overcoming it would be considered "humane." I don't see that attempt here.

Uh... we are criminals and a society has less criminals than law-abiding citizens. I think what is described is a given here. The standard morality tells us we are terrible people that rob other people of their property. However, we do not subscribe to that morality, which brands us as the criminal. Any Anarchist reading would shed light on that idea. People find their sense of security somewhere, most find it in conforming with the majority. Emerson described that phenomenon and the solution to it quite well.

Everything is relative, or rather subjective. At the same time Foucault pointed out that relativity proves relativity to be false. Your very statement on the matter is just as subjective as mine or any other player's. They weigh the same under any examination that has subjectivity in mind. We equally share the right to voice them, so thanks for pointing that out? If anything this provides further evidence that the traders have no consideration for our standpoint and insist on following their own. We provide a warning message precisely to accommodate for the potential fear we may generate by interdicting traders. We take the trader's perspective into consideration while vice versa is usually daydream or slim possibility.

 

[GluttonyFang]

I have had the pleasure to get interdicted by CODE earlier in Diso, and I must say, I should read the forums more.
I wasn't doing the CG at the moment (who can say no to that kind of money), but I was flying around and my little sidey looking at stuff, when up comes this guy with a massive bounty on his head.
Well I got curious, so I circled him for a bit and he interdicted me. He did his RP spiel (and it was quite cool). I submitted and killed my engines. Although I suck at pressing buttons so I accidentally boost all over the place.
We talked for a bit, and I asked him about some of the stuff that was happening, and he basically told me not to fly around the system with an interdictor and a kill warrent scanner.
The only thing I didn't like about our little talk and your policies was the fact, that you said I should play in solo or group instead of open. To a new player, that is like saying, you don't want me in your game, which actually hurts a little.


All in all, it was a good experience for me. Thank you CMDR Gluttony Fang for a great encounter, and I hope more people will be like you.

My mistakes for not clarifying my reason for you to play in solo, so my apologies for that. It's just harsh for a new player to get blown up, I feel that it may discourage new players more than if they stay in solo for a little to get a feel of the game. People like the CODE are a minority, we hold true to our way of piracy, but that doesn't guarantee every pirate/griever you run across to be the same.

I didn't want your first few player interaction to be getting blown up for being in a sidewinder. Though if you are brave, go for it.

I look forward to the next time our paths cross, I'm glad I provided a good experience.

 

[bigian12]

So are ye the same Code that operates in Eve? I'm curious I haven't been on the forums in months.

 

[Ben Ryder]

So are the code staying in Diso for the next 20 odd days?

 

[pippo]

So are ye the same Code that operates in Eve? I'm curious I haven't been on the forums in months.

Last time I heard a similar question, a very heated conversation followed.

 

[Rick Mason]

CODE: aka a bunch of tossers intent on spoiling the game for a lot of players.

 

[bigian12]

Last time I heard a similar question, a very heated conversation followed.

I would assume their would have been a heated argument as the CODE from Eve is run by a complete lunatic and their sole goal is to have fun at everyone else's expense.

 

[Outlaw Jenner]

Teetotaling pirates... Now I've seen everything... No wonder you always seem so mad, you fail every operation you set forth to complete, and you can't even get drunk/high afterwards? Ouch. Back in my day pirates cared only about three things, the Loot, the Debauchery, and the Stars. Now we have teetotaling pirates...

+Rep for that sir. Interstellar Piracy is a far cry from what it used to be. I remember once upon a time where pirates we not only honorable about their actions, but would stand their ground and defend their operations. This new breed however, turns tail and runs at the first sign of opposition.

 

[The Bosun]

Eve CODE: aka a bunch of tossers intent on spoiling the game for a lot of players.

There I fixed it for you.
We are not and have never been associated with them.
No further comments will be made on this thread about that "Other" game.

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So are the code staying in Diso for the next 20 odd days?

We'll be around the New Caribbean until we see what powers emerge in 1.3. After that, who knows?

 

[Deathwatch]

Isn't a way to stop the accusations of combat logging against non code members to just put a list of code members up ?

 

[FubarBundy]

@ Gluttony-Fang...
Hello, remember me?... I'm the guy who told you told you that the Code sucks! and then frame shifted out over your head. Soooo funny. Kept me smiling all day (Saw your name and just had to gloat a little)

 

[Jim Steinman]

CODE is a legitimate, player content-contributing, non-grieving player organization in game who merely advance a vastly different interest than the majority, which garners conflicts of interests.

That bit made me some of us laugh. Just like CODE in general.

LOL, that's exactly what i've seen. Me and a friend play in the same room on occasion. We've had between us 5 "incidences" with CODE, and they combat log every time.

You know, you're not the first time I've seen reports of CODE members doing that. And then the subsequent they're not in our group claims. Which is possible, but also equally possible they are.

 

[GluttonyFang]

@ Gluttony-Fang...
Hello, remember me?... I'm the guy who told you told you that the Code sucks! and then frame shifted out over your head. Soooo funny. Kept me smiling all day (Saw your name and just had to gloat a little)

Well, you are entitled to your opinion on CODE, and mind you I spared you.

 

[Jason Pegasi]

I don't think you have an accurate grasp on the situation, you don't know what we are doing with our travel pass members, therefore I suggest you withhold your accusation on that ground. Nowhere in my post mentions "voiding," or "terminating" any travel passes. We have our methodology, please respect its confidentiality and find something else to harass.

I never said it was in your post, but surely you're not denying that you are reneging on the travel passes you already sold.

Which has been clearly stated by your leadership here.

The Travel Pass for the "Codelands" has now been abolished, any trader entering the area with be targeted.

We are the Code, We are Dangerous !

Pirates make bad liars.

 

[sbdags]

I don't get the 'CODE' at all.

On one hand; "come here little one, let me pirate you and ruin your day"

On the other; "stay away from the diso, lave, leesti cluster"

Am I the only one who sees the irony?