Ozric
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The Dangerous Games - Who's who?
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The good Job Frontier part is legitimate enjoyment. If any faction with SDC in it gets a chance at legitimacy it'll be a hilarious road to hell to watch burn.
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Why?
It wasn't the developers that created it, a player group created something that is apart of the community something you are not agreeing with? or do you need a bad guy mentality?
(Quote Scarface) "Say goodnight to the bad guy"
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Oh good! Glad you're enjoying it!
Thanks to everyone who's taking the time to answer my questions, my points and my challenges. Thanks to all those who are also taking part in this debate. I want to hear from the other Wildcard Pledges, so far there's nothing here from Achenar Immortals, Imperial Inquisition, Planet Express or EG Pilots. I haven't had time to watch any videos yet so I still don't know anything about the Wolves of Jonai either. There's still time, but it will pass quickly.
And this support of Black Omega is interesting, is this just because you want some muscle on your side in the final games if they don't make it that far?
And if you could please stop dodging the questions/points about your leader being a corporate stooge and explain why this is not all about trade contracts for Wolf 406 Transport Co. (very Mahon-esque) is would be great!
Alternatively you could team up with Pileus Libertas and be their police force.
That just makes me think you're xenophobic and genocidal, have I misunderstood? I thought there was some mercenary role the BBS plays? Merci de m'aider vous comprendre. (that probably makes less sense than if I wrote it in English).
So you've now condemned the UGC to be thought of as the AEDC's puppet faction! I can't wait to hear their reaction to that.
And this support of Black Omega is interesting, is this just because you want some muscle on your side in the final games if they don't make it that far?
Interesting idea for a black market mastermind and arms dealer to become a political power. The Powerplay aspects seem nicely considered. But you're a service provider, why do you want to be in power yourselves? The other powers are greedy, they'll want your systems and your income, they'll take it from you with your own weapons. Isn't it better to stay in the shadows and profit from everyone else's fighting?
So are you an organised crime syndicate in the style of corporate governance? Dictatorship? What's your track record, what "parts" have you thrown away so far? What parts have you replaced them with? What is this business methodology you refer to?
I guess that's only from the picture because I haven't had time to watch the video yet, does it explain more?
Thanks for the answers, I'll give you a few more questions soon since you seem willing, but there's some slippery customers in this debate, a few seem incapable of answering questions at all and I need to focus on them a bit longer.
Nice vote-winning words, good use of nostalgia. I wouldn't mind a Quest-class ship, and heck why not a Wolf MkII to fly around GalCop space in whilst we're at it. But that's the past, this is now. There are at least half a dozen other factions that seem to think the Alliance is not what it should be, and their solution is to break away and do something else. They seem to have a more idealistic approach than the Alliance, and at least that's something people can aspire to follow, whilst the Alliance is a bit stale isn't it? It's repelled the Feds and Imperials, had it's moment in the spotlight but now it's being overtaken by new, more innovative groups.
And if you could please stop dodging the questions/points about your leader being a corporate stooge and explain why this is not all about trade contracts for Wolf 406 Transport Co. (very Mahon-esque) is would be great!
Thanks for replying, it's good to understand the reasons for the break-up. Nice to see a team that's sticking to it's principles and not jumping into bed with anyone who shows up with more guns. Re the government type, I may have misunderstood what you wrote in your "myths" section (see below). So other governments/approaches are fine at the moment, but if they don't eventually agree with you you'll have to fight them, is that what you mean?
Isn't a better approach to make the galaxy a nicer place by filling it with nice people, instead of one bunch of angry people being allowed to attack anyone who's not nice, despite the fact that attacking anyone isn't nice even when the attack is considered undesirable by the powers that be? The vigilantes do it for fun as well, same as the "murderers" do, it's just about which team you're on as to whether one is a "goody" or a "baddy". What will Adle's armada do when fighting and killing in the Elite universe loses it's appeal? All your enemies will leave, and with nobody you can legitimately attack will you also leave, or will you turn on those who consider you to be their protectors and think of new reasons why you are the "goodies" and they are the "baddies"?
Alternatively you could team up with Pileus Libertas and be their police force.
Sounds like you already broke an agreement with ICU, it would be nice to get the same answer from both sides. It also sounds like you're more interested in protecting the power you already have than trying to spread the ideal of an equal society to everyone in the galaxy? From what I can work out, you and MoM have very different approaches to "freedom", so I can't work out what your power will be like - probably bipolar, it will make for some very interesting Galnet articles. And finally, we know that the winner's location won't necessarily be in the winner's faction's location, so if you win you might be based in the same place as ICU anyway, meaning that the geography part of your argument is baseless - MoM may overpower your desire to protect communist space and then both your communist bubble and the ICU bubble would be in danger. Why not just forget old arguments and stick to your principles, ditch MoM and team up with ICU?
OK I try to explain with my unperfect english
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No we are not Xenophoic or genocidal (OK , we often mysterious and dangerous experiments in our secret laboratory...but only for the science). Our lore (the orignial story) is based on the war against the thargoids and "non-humans". Our pilots are recruited from the worst mercenaries. We are the guardians of humanity. We sacrifice our lives to protect humans . We are only love, in fact!
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@madbilly:
The AEDC has decided to support us by themselves, we aren't the puppets of anyone!
We have made amicable contacts with some AEDC Commanders and share their goal to better the life of EVERYONE, not just for a privileged minority as it is common today.
If you decide to support us also, feel free and choose the UGC - BBfA- Coalition...
We are the only Minor-Faction who represent the german-speaking community, and we are glad to know that there are some other Pilots which are interested to support us.
The UGC and their pilots love their freedom and the independence they have got, (no imperial or federal or alliance...)
so that is our mission in the game and it will be also in the PP-Games.
Can you imagine a galaxy where everyone is free and where is peace to everyone?
That is an ambitious goal, we know, but it is a goal....
The AEDC has decided to support us by themselves, we aren't the puppets of anyone!
We have made amicable contacts with some AEDC Commanders and share their goal to better the life of EVERYONE, not just for a privileged minority as it is common today.
If you decide to support us also, feel free and choose the UGC - BBfA- Coalition...
We are the only Minor-Faction who represent the german-speaking community, and we are glad to know that there are some other Pilots which are interested to support us.
The UGC and their pilots love their freedom and the independence they have got, (no imperial or federal or alliance...)
so that is our mission in the game and it will be also in the PP-Games.
Can you imagine a galaxy where everyone is free and where is peace to everyone?
That is an ambitious goal, we know, but it is a goal....
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I love the questions you are asking.
They may be customers, doesn't mean we don't want to run the place.
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Only from the picture?
The picture that could have easily appended their proposed power on the end and maintained the current 10 powers?
If Sirius players wont stand up to this kind of blatant provocation, I say they are yella
I think the point is that SDC are a "Trash the system watch the world burn" group. And that having them as part of powerplay could result in them deliberately trashing their own faction just to ruin powerplay.... like he said putting us back in a position where we need to consider a new power all over again.
And that's before getting into the whole Mobius debate, or details on why a group whose actions included trashing charity livestreams "for the lolz" and many other forms of harassment against the EULA would be supported by the devs.
So they are doing publicity actions over the other groups? (Including my own)
As a lot of groups are centralized around a few events that have occurred in a large galaxy.
Roleplay vs Actions is possibly the argument you are seeking?
SDC can do a few actions and annoy a large amount of players.
Roleplaying they can beat the BGS and they don't care. Still buying into it? (Wolfberg I believe was the PMF controlled system/station for SDC in the past)
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SDC is self admittedly about OOC, non-event havinv, non enjoyment game wrecking.
There's no "Building" or "Roleplaying", their OOC group charter states they want to wreck anyone who doesn't want to PvP 24/7 "for the lulz"
They're not involved in this game beyond being OOC and have no investment beyond ego stroking
Letting them into any official contest is like letting Trump into the Republican Primaries.
And it will be -just- as hilarious if the Immortals faction and (by proxy) SDC get a chance at the Dangerous Games.
Because then it'll be the Republican Primaries except in Elite dangerous.
With all of the self imploding drama that comes with it.
I'm not going to vote for them but man am I going to laugh at the people who do, since history's already told us how this'll go. (And no I don't want to be political it's just the best and most current real world mirror to this)
I'm hoping the other wildcard groups have learned from it.
There's no "Building" or "Roleplaying", their OOC group charter states they want to wreck anyone who doesn't want to PvP 24/7 "for the lulz"
They're not involved in this game beyond being OOC and have no investment beyond ego stroking
Letting them into any official contest is like letting Trump into the Republican Primaries.
And it will be -just- as hilarious if the Immortals faction and (by proxy) SDC get a chance at the Dangerous Games.
Because then it'll be the Republican Primaries except in Elite dangerous.
With all of the self imploding drama that comes with it.
I'm not going to vote for them but man am I going to laugh at the people who do, since history's already told us how this'll go. (And no I don't want to be political it's just the best and most current real world mirror to this)
I'm hoping the other wildcard groups have learned from it.
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You're asking some great questions to all of us here, madbilly! Thanks for the kind words, too
We're very comfortable with being a service provider, but here we have a rare opportunity to set our sights higher:
The wildcard is down to a popular vote and if enough people want to see us in PowerPlay and are willing to pledge to us, I think we would have the confidence to successfully make the transition from mercs and arms dealers to being a Power to be reckoned with!
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Jane Turner
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- 1. The agreement we made with the MoM was in full view of, but possibly not it seems, the full understanding of the ICU, since all of the original members still have access to our forums, including the closed embassy in which all the negotiations took place. We obviously have to take the blame for not making a Russian translation and making sure that what the implications were had been clearly communicated, since the contents and our commitment to the Border Coalition seemed to come as a surprise to the ICU. If we were to renege on our treaty, quite rightly, no one would trust us again.
- 2. We played "very hard to get" with the MoM (I'm sure Walt can vouch for that) and in the end it was their approach to freedom that sold it to us. The historical characters on which Tiberius and his Brother Gaius are based, are famous as the founding fathers of socialism.
http://www.marxist.com/class-struggles-roman-republic-seven.htm
- 3. All three of the partners have been successful at keeping our bit of space clear of Powers, either by negotiation or opposition. The only blip is a convergence of a MoM faction and Archon Delaine. I can only speak for CI here, but our bubble is what matters to us most (by a very very long way). We would not leave it, it is orders of magnitude more important to us than being a power. We have flipped 38 systems and have 59 further expansions on top of that. We have many local systems with 2 or 3 communist factions present. Anyone who has worked with the BGS will understand the amount of time and effort that we have invested in our bubble
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And if you could please stop dodging the questions/points about your leader being a corporate stooge and explain why this is not all about trade contracts for Wolf 406 Transport Co. (very Mahon-esque) is would be great!
"Life is short, but there is always time enough for courtesy." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Wolf Transport & Co. is the biggest faction of AEDC. Our operations include everything the game has to offer. Trading is only a small part of what we do.
If Victoria Wolf VI., First Merchantess of Wolf 406 Transport & Co., becomes Power, she will reflect the values and operations of AEDC. Asking for details is mute, because that will depend on location, ethos available etc.
One thing is for sure: it will be different from Mahon.
If you're not Trade and Diplomacy Alliance Mahon #2, then what are you? Different from Mahon means nothing since everything you tell us about your power is 'But we're basically Mahon #2"
How will your power reflect not being Mahon?
If you're not going to be the exact clone of Mahon's trade and diplomacy/bureaucracy power all you really have left is military power and illegal operations and your entire pitch right now revolves around being legitimate and peaceful.
It frames your answers in a way that suggests you have no idea what your power is actually like. Or what it would do if it got into power play.
Right now all your answers add up to: Alliance clone of an existing power which is something we don't need.
Give us something concrete or give the floor to someone who'd be a better option.
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Jane Turner
Volunteer Moderator
AEDC have qualified ouright.
And that answers nothing about why the faction isn't a mahon clone or why any wildcard faction shouldn't treat it as such in terms of relations and corporate sock puppetry.