The ED Subreddit is Salty about 2.3

[korombei]

Oh it does, it really does.

Upvoting and downvoting means mob rule.

I agree. I don't use it anyway to be honest, just doesn't interest me. Regardless of the merits (or not) of Reddit, what happens on there, or on here, has zero effect on whether I will continue to play this game or not.

It's kind of like that 'the game is dying/a success' arguement (firstly, you need to define what you consider 'success', because everyone has different ideas of what that means, which in itself makes the arguement moot). Does it actually directly affect your gaming experience? No.

Well, unless you need validation from lots of other people that what you're doing in your free time is the 'correct' thing to be doing in your free time.

 

[Pyrotiger]

An average reddit user is aware of vote brigading, astroturfing, pr moves and everything else. Some subreddits are biased towards a certain point of view and sometimes its hard to spot this at a first glance. There is a constant struggle between interests trying to manipulate the system and people wanting a good discussion. All this still doesnt bring down the importance of the platform as a social medium. For all the bad there is also good stuff to be found. Just like with humans.

Just like TKMaxx.

Oh you're still here. Still selling I see.

 

[Blackcompany]

There's been a growing tide of discontent on Reddit lately, and some of it here as well. I honestly think people have just had enough. Had enough of the baffling design decisions, had enough of the meaningless grind, had enough of the egregious cosmetics, had enough of placeholders, had enough of being drip fed story and alien content, had enough of Elite advertising itself as an MMO while not having any MMO features, had enough of the absolutely glacial pace of development....the list goes on and on.

In short, our patience has run out, and we have no faith in FD to improve the situation.

Oh, and bugs. I forgot about the bugs. Bugs reported during the first week of beta are seemingly ignored until a scant few days before release, when it's obviously too late to do anything about it. Anaconda bridge, i'm looking at you.

Basically, this.

I've no confidence at all in the leadership of this dev team to make anything more than the various disparate tech demos they're currently trying to pass off as a coherent game.

 

[Sunleader]

Wings get 100% Payout for every Member of the Wing.
So in a Full Wing of 4 People each Player will effectively get 400% of what that Player would be able to do alone.

In Multi Crew only the Pilot of the Ship gets 100% and since he only gets an roughly 10% Buff on his Ships Abilities for each Crewmember.
And the Crew Members depending on their Rank can get an absolute maximum of 50% if they are Elite which most of the Player are not. Usually they get like 20-30%
So the Pilot on a Full MC gets like maybe 120-140% of what he could do alone. And his Crewmembers get maybe 50% of what they could do alone.


Thanks to this Mechanic Multi Crew is pretty much Dead on Arrival.
Why the heck would anyone use Multi Crew when its so much more effective to simply Wing Up.

This just Ruined Multi Crew for over 90% of the People who looked forward to it.
So of course People are going to be Salty.

I have not even Updated ED yet. Upon watching the Video from Obsidian Ant and seeing what they did. My Friends already told me they are not Interested.
So none of us has even bothered checking out the Update.

 

[Soopyyy]

I agree. I don't use it anyway to be honest, just doesn't interest me. Regardless of the merits (or not) of Reddit, what happens on there, or on here, has zero effect on whether I will continue to play this game or not.

It's kind of like that 'the game is dying/a success' arguement (firstly, you need to define what you consider 'success', because everyone has different ideas of what that means, which in itself makes the arguement moot). Does it actually directly affect your gaming experience? No.

Well, unless you need validation from lots of other people that what you're doing in your free time is the 'correct' thing to be doing in your free time.

Yeah... or it could be that lots of people actually do hold very similar opinions on a subject and choose to discuss it. The dismissive and patronising comments this thread is full of is exactly why so much more discussion is found on the Reddit page...

 

[Siobhan]

Wings get 100% Payout for every Member of the Wing.
So in a Full Wing of 4 People each Player will effectively get 400% of what that Player would be able to do alone.

In Multi Crew only the Pilot of the Ship gets 100% and since he only gets an roughly 10% Buff on his Ships Abilities for each Crewmember.
And the Crew Members depending on their Rank can get an absolute maximum of 50% if they are Elite which most of the Player are not. Usually they get like 20-30%
So the Pilot on a Full MC gets like maybe 120-140% of what he could do alone. And his Crewmembers get maybe 50% of what they could do alone.


Thanks to this Mechanic Multi Crew is pretty much Dead on Arrival.
Why the heck would anyone use Multi Crew when its so much more effective to simply Wing Up.

This just Ruined Multi Crew for over 90% of the People who looked forward to it.
So of course People are going to be Salty.

I have not even Updated ED yet. Upon watching the Video from Obsidian Ant and seeing what they did. My Friends already told me they are not Interested.
So none of us has even bothered checking out the Update.

It's not quite that simple.
In a wing, everyone gets full payout because everyone takes the same risk of losing a ship.
In multicrew, only one person does. The others are along for the ride and don't even need to take part... So why should they get 100%? Sounds like a 'sploit to me.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Dear Everyone,

I have been browsing the reddits that were presented in the OP and a couple of other threads.

I am not seeing the big difference between those threads and some of the threads in here. People act as if discontent is being moderated out of this forum, but it really isn't. Testament are the many critical threads that survive and thrive in this forum. So yeah, reddit has some grumpy threads, dangerous discussion has them. So I'm well provided for in my needs for critical threads on this forum.

No reason to visit reddit.

 

[Soopyyy]

It's not quite that simple.
In a wing, everyone gets full payout because everyone takes the same risk of losing a ship.
In multicrew, only one person does. The others are along for the ride and don't even need to take part... So why should they get 100%? Sounds like a 'sploit to me.

Because its fun. The main (only?) goal of the game is to make credits, besides stuffing about doing nothing in particular. If you can't make credits doing something for all intents and purposes there's no reason to do it. Before you roll out the tired "Oh, I don't need credits to have fun, I am so fantastic I hold my breath and hallucinate for entertainment instead!" argument, If you don't need/want a tangible goal to achieve, then good for you. But if that is the case, why do you care so much about others wanting their tangible goal to not be ruined?

 

[Komemiute]

Dear Everyone,

I have been browsing the reddits that were presented in the OP and a couple of other threads.

I am not seeing the big difference between those threads and some of the threads in here. People act as if discontent is being moderated out of this forum, but it really isn't. Testament are the many critical threads that survive and thrive in this forum. So yeah, reddit has some grumpy threads, dangerous discussion has them. So I'm well provided for in my needs for critical threads on this forum.

No reason to visit reddit.

/thread.

 

[Barking_Mad]

derailment is usually the issue. it is difficult to do any criticism without being instaswarmed by white knights and fanbois (as this thread shows). this would also be the responsibility of mods but is much more difficult and subjective, and i guess they do what they can.

I like the reasoned, well argued and constructive threads where they make good points - I agree with many of them and I can barely think of any posters who constantly defend the game come what may. What I cant be doing with are the threads which are started by people who just spout ill-thought out nonsense and hyperbole. I try to ignore them (and Im getting better!) but my in-built sense of injustice meter goes off and sometimes I have to respond _

 

[StuartGT]

i have to protest. the moderation here is actually very good as game forums go. i say this having been 'moderated' myself several times, and even banned for a couple days. the rules are the rules, however silly, and the guys do a very good job and are actually very dedicated and nice.

derailment is usually the issue. it is difficult to do any criticism without being instaswarmed by white knights and fanbois (as this thread shows). this would also be the responsibility of mods but is much more difficult and subjective, and i guess they do what they can.

but hey, if you have been to any other game forum .... this one is pretty much a luxury.

reddit is ffa, a minority has a very hard time to impose an agenda there, and i guess that's why some people here hate it so much. however ... great freedom brings great responsibility, and closed communities tend to turn to stone ...

This is an excellent assessment of the different yet equally important communities, and I fully agree.

 

[korombei]

Yeah... or it could be that lots of people actually do hold very similar opinions on a subject and choose to discuss it. The dismissive and patronising comments this thread is full of is exactly why so much more discussion is found on the Reddit page...

Yes, and that's all it is. If there are valid points to be made/discussed, great, make them. Being nasty/irrational about it is exactly that, and of no value to anyone. I'm just saying let's put it into perspective. The world isn't going to end/FD close the Elite servers/hack our bank accounts/step on kittens because of a few threads on reddit. I suppose I just don't understand the need to get so angry about a game.

Remember: INTERNET SPACESHIPS ARE SERIOUS BUSINESS!1! (?)

(yes I stole that from another internet spaceship forum. It's serious business).

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Dear Everyone,

I have been browsing the reddits that were presented in the OP and a couple of other threads.

I am not seeing the big difference between those threads and some of the threads in here. People act as if discontent is being moderated out of this forum, but it really isn't. Testament are the many critical threads that survive and thrive in this forum. So yeah, reddit has some grumpy threads, dangerous discussion has them. So I'm well provided for in my needs for critical threads on this forum.

No reason to visit reddit.

Moderation: #1 rule: You don't talk about it.

So I don't, but I press "F" for our mods, because you're right and I am salty about the update.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Does reddit have long hair threads?

 

[StuartGT]

Oh it does, it really does.

Upvoting and downvoting means mob rule.

The ability for members of a community to vote (on posts/comments) is unrelated to moderating (based on rules). A moderator's voluntary duty isn't to censor unpopular opinion.

On the ED Reddit the most popular (i.e. excellent submissions widely agreed upon) posts receive thousands of upvotes, and the most popular comments receive hundreds.

While the OP has linked some well-upvoted posts with interesting discussion and feedback, there is a variety of opinion even in those threads.

Ignore lists don't exist on Reddit to ensure that different opinions can be seen by all, regardless of voting. The higher-voted content is simply more visible.

 

[lysan]

Wings get 100% Payout for every Member of the Wing.
So in a Full Wing of 4 People each Player will effectively get 400% of what that Player would be able to do alone.

In Multi Crew only the Pilot of the Ship gets 100% and since he only gets an roughly 10% Buff on his Ships Abilities for each Crewmember.
And the Crew Members depending on their Rank can get an absolute maximum of 50% if they are Elite which most of the Player are not. Usually they get like 20-30%
So the Pilot on a Full MC gets like maybe 120-140% of what he could do alone. And his Crewmembers get maybe 50% of what they could do alone.


Thanks to this Mechanic Multi Crew is pretty much Dead on Arrival.
Why the heck would anyone use Multi Crew when its so much more effective to simply Wing Up.

This just Ruined Multi Crew for over 90% of the People who looked forward to it.
So of course People are going to be Salty.

I have not even Updated ED yet. Upon watching the Video from Obsidian Ant and seeing what they did. My Friends already told me they are not Interested.
So none of us has even bothered checking out the Update.

Doom and gloom is not needed, but there is a point here to be considered.

Yes, I'm sure that multi crew was a huge task under the hood, and for those in FDEV who battled this beast I solute you.
Then there is the whole approach bit of it. I'm sorry but that really wasn't executed in the best way it could be.

The lesson learned here, and many other times during the development of ED must be transparency and communication.
Expectation got to meet what is hyped from FD commercial Dep.

The biggest NOGO as I see them are,

1. SRV not included in multi crew
2. Crew can only pew pew (no navigation or scanning)
3. Flexibility very limited, can't shuffle around in the positions.
4. No planetary multi crew action

Now I could add a lot more to that list, but that would only be my wishes and not gameplay blockers.
My biggest disappointment with the multi crew feature, is that it feels as an attachment, not something that is fluently incorporated into the game world.

 

[Siobhan]

Yes, and that's all it is. If there are valid points to be made/discussed, great, make them. Being nasty/irrational about it is exactly that, and of no value to anyone. I'm just saying let's put it into perspective. The world isn't going to end/FD close the Elite servers/hack our bank accounts/step on kittens because of a few threads on reddit. I suppose I just don't understand the need to get so angry about a game.

Remember: INTERNET SPACESHIPS ARE SERIOUS BUSINESS!1! (?)

(yes I stole that from another internet spaceship forum. It's serious business).

In this game it's Sirius business... Especially if you want to unlock Qwent.

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Does reddit have long hair threads?

Just long and hairy threads.

 

[StuartGT]

Nor in fact ANY moderation worth the name.

Yes it does. All posts/comments reported to us that breach the rules are removed. Please feel free to show how this is not the case?

 

[babelfisch]

derailment is usually the issue. it is difficult to do any criticism without being instaswarmed by white knights and fanbois (as this thread shows). this would also be the responsibility of mods but is much more difficult and subjective, and i guess they do what they can.

Please show me all these white knights. I think they only exist in your imagination.

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Yeah... or it could be that lots of people actually do hold very similar opinions on a subject and choose to discuss it. The dismissive and patronising comments this thread is full of is exactly why so much more discussion is found on the Reddit page...

Did you notice that your comment is very dismissive and patronising?

 

[Siobhan]

Yes it does. All posts/comments reported to us that breach the rules are removed. Please feel free to show how this is not the case?

Thank you for letting me feel free, as indeed I will. However I have no interest in taking your bait, since that would mean linking to Reddit, which is something I absolutely will not do. Now if you feel that makes my point invalid well, that's up to you. You too are, after all, free to your opinion.