The Enemy of my Enemy Pact

The Enemy of my Enemy Pact:

The Enemy of my Enemy Pact is put in place to protect all player owned minor factions. In Elite Dangerous you will find that many groups have a different take on things in the Galaxy. Some like to protect and serve and others like to cause grief around the galaxy. You have your Pirates, Police, Bounty Hunters, Miners, Trader, Military, Mercenaries and many other group playstyles poping up around the Milky Way. Because of these differences there are bound to be fights among each other. So to protect all of these groups I have created The Enemy of my Enemy Pact.

The main rule of this pact will be put in place to protect the integrity of every player owned minor faction in the game. This falls along the lines of undermining home systems. The home system of a player owned minor faction is the bread and butter of their group. With the advancement of Elite Dangerous I have come to find that new groups have popped up around the Galaxy with the sole purpose of evicting anyone that owns a solar system. I find this type of playstyle truly damaging to the game.

Some groups especially the larger PvE groups can be completely destroyed with the loss of their home system. Not everyone that plays Elite Dangerous can just forget and move on. This can cause the disbanding of groups and the loss of players within Elite Dangerous. I feel that after awhile the game will turn into a battle of pointless undermining, loss of population and progress into Major Factions comes to a halt.

If Frontier Development would actually balance out the influence gains and losses of Home systems this pact would not need to be in place and we could progress through the game as intended. But in the current build that is impossible. Not only that, but If home systems are constantly being lost due to undermining Frontier Development may look at the factions as a pointless feature and scrap it. They could, however implement some sort of new Minor Factions feature in the wake of this, but the damage would have already been done to those affected before they had got around to fixing it. Now if a group were to expand into another system this rule of not undermining should only apply to the home system of said expanding player owned minor factions, leaving the new system a prime target to be undermined by other groups. This still keeps the factional combat within the game alive but also keeps the groups that own these factions from disbanding.

Now what if someone does not want to follow these rules? The solution is simple. By agreeing to these rules of engagements you are agreeing as a community of common interests. If a group has a home system that is under attack by another that does not follow these simple rules. Then those that do follow these rules should put all rivalries aside even if only temporary (the enemy of my enemy is my friend). With a much larger force defending a player owned minor factions home system (regardless of previous wars or rivalries), you can prevent them from losing their system and ultimately disbanding. Then after the threat is no longer present you can simply leave as friends, or continue on with your rivalry with one another. This small rule is so easy to follow and even if you completely hate another group, they are entitled to the game just as much as you are, the same could be said for attacking a home system. But i feel attacking causes more damage than it helps. You can however continue to gank, grief and fight your enemies as usual. Just don’t strike them below the belt.

Current rules of engagement:

- Undermining of a Player Owned Minor Factions Home system is illegal.
- Undermining of a Player Owned Minor Factions Expanding system(s) is legal.
- If a Player Owned Minor Factions Home system becomes under attack, those that agree to this pact will aid said faction regardless of prior rivalries or disputes.
- The use of the UA to damage station services within a Player Owned Minor Factions Home system should be treated as an undermining attempt on a home system and therefore is illegal.
- The use of the UA to damage station services within a Player Owned Minor Factions Expanding system(s) should be treated as an undermining attempt on an expanding system and therefore is legal.

By agreeing to this pact you agree to all of the above.

Please post your thoughts on the matter and feel free to suggest any changes or additions. This is meant to be a friendly topic so try and keep the flaming to a minimal. As for group leaders that would like to sign this pact please post below and send me a PM with your Groups name and system. If you would like your system to remain private please let me know beforehand. If you do sign this pact please inform your members to come check out this thread.

And to interject before all of these Khan comments pop up. Corvos has done some minor work on Khan and since taken control of a station. As we are primarily a PvP group we do not maintain our system as others do, those that grind influence are usually the new recruits also grinding out credits in conflict zones. This pact was created because of the resent events of our enemies being undermined by another group. I personally have noticed a pattern and would like to prevent further loss of systems as these groups under attack are primarily PvE groups that work hard for their systems. Corvos has put aside all pirating and griefing to help out those that we fight with the most from the threat of undermining.

Groups that have signed The Enemy of my Enemy Pact:

Corvos:
Khan solar system.

Military Militia:
Hip 6796 solar system.

E.X.O:
(Pending new terms, helped create the pact)
Wolf 1301 solar system.

PBSF:
(Pending new terms, helped create the pact)
Neto solar system.

Isn't Corvos a griefer group? Kind of like X-Box Code?
Military Militia concurs with these terms and conditions. Anyone flaming this post against the pact members are your enemies. Just forewarning everybody.
Kind of supports my theory.
 
Isn't Corvos a griefer group? Kind of like X-Box Code?

Kind of supports my theory.

Oh, be careful around saying that. You might get in for some serious damage control by the other members of this treaty. Now while my sources weren't the most solid with that post I was mostly right.

Here is going to be a bit of a mind blow for you, Military Militia and PBSF are security/anti-griefer forces.
 
Yes, Corvos IS a griefer group just like CODE. :p I'm surprised they are forming a pact together. Kinda weird and strange.
Corvos has mentioned recently (somewhere, unfortunately I'm unable to locate the posts) they he is trying to reform Corvos and it's image after the Burn Eravate/Burn Khan debacle. He's trying to get it back to pirating and not griefing.

At least I believe that is what was stated. I went through Corvos' activity on the forums and was unable to find what I thought I was looking for. If I'm wrong, Corvos, please correct me.
 
Corvos has mentioned recently (somewhere, unfortunately I'm unable to locate the posts) they he is trying to reform Corvos and it's image after the Burn Eravate/Burn Khan debacle. He's trying to get it back to pirating and not griefing.

At least I believe that is what was stated. I went through Corvos' activity on the forums and was unable to find what I thought I was looking for. If I'm wrong, Corvos, please correct me.

He did say something of the likes (but that was on the Karmas Soldier profile). I have still yet to hear of anybody getting robbed by a Corvos member. I hear more of PvP just not noob killing.
 
Oh, be careful around saying that. You might get in for some serious damage control by the other members of this treaty. Now while my sources weren't the most solid with that post I was mostly right.

Here is going to be a bit of a mind blow for you, Military Militia and PBSF are security/anti-griefer forces.
Mind.
Appropriately.
Blown.
Corvos has mentioned recently (somewhere, unfortunately I'm unable to locate the posts) they he is trying to reform Corvos and it's image after the Burn Eravate/Burn Khan debacle. He's trying to get it back to pirating and not griefing.

At least I believe that is what was stated. I went through Corvos' activity on the forums and was unable to find what I thought I was looking for. If I'm wrong, Corvos, please correct me.

Ah. So the griefers got griefed, and decided to try a different tactic. Gotcha.
 
That's why I don't even look at the PC forums except for beta patch notes. I like to see what's being worked on in the betas. I sure as heck won't post though. I'm not gonna willingly open myself to "PC MASTER RACE HURR HURR!!!" stupidity.

I've only had that once and it wasn't directed at me. The vast majority of PC players just see it as the same game on different platforms, which it is.
 
I've only had that once and it wasn't directed at me. The vast majority of PC players just see it as the same game on different platforms, which it is.
I agree with the 'which it is' part, with some small caveats. They have the Horizons and 1.5 betas and we don't (but I believe that means we'll get a somewhat more stable, working release of those two when they come to Xbox and I'm more or less okay with waiting... just not too long [HINT HINT FDEV!]). The other is modding. They have some sweet mods available. Especially the changing the UI color. Something so small but that garish orange gets bothersome after a while. I don't much care for VR support so PC having that doesn't affect me.
 
can I maybe get a TLDR of what this is and whs supporting it maybe mae a list for us non player faction pilots,i don't wanna take a job or wing as an escourt for a guy angering the owner of the base I might needa stop at
 
The Enemy of my Enemy Pact:

The Enemy of my Enemy Pact is put in place to protect all player owned minor factions. In Elite Dangerous you will find that many groups have a different take on things in the Galaxy. Some like to protect and serve and others like to cause grief around the galaxy. You have your Pirates, Police, Bounty Hunters, Miners, Trader, Military, Mercenaries and many other group playstyles poping up around the Milky Way. Because of these differences there are bound to be fights among each other. So to protect all of these groups I have created The Enemy of my Enemy Pact.

The main rule of this pact will be put in place to protect the integrity of every player owned minor faction in the game. This falls along the lines of undermining home systems. The home system of a player owned minor faction is the bread and butter of their group. With the advancement of Elite Dangerous I have come to find that new groups have popped up around the Galaxy with the sole purpose of evicting anyone that owns a solar system. I find this type of playstyle truly damaging to the game.

Some groups especially the larger PvE groups can be completely destroyed with the loss of their home system. Not everyone that plays Elite Dangerous can just forget and move on. This can cause the disbanding of groups and the loss of players within Elite Dangerous. I feel that after awhile the game will turn into a battle of pointless undermining, loss of population and progress into Major Factions comes to a halt.

If Frontier Development would actually balance out the influence gains and losses of Home systems this pact would not need to be in place and we could progress through the game as intended. But in the current build that is impossible. Not only that, but If home systems are constantly being lost due to undermining Frontier Development may look at the factions as a pointless feature and scrap it. They could, however implement some sort of new Minor Factions feature in the wake of this, but the damage would have already been done to those affected before they had got around to fixing it. Now if a group were to expand into another system this rule of not undermining should only apply to the home system of said expanding player owned minor factions, leaving the new system a prime target to be undermined by other groups. This still keeps the factional combat within the game alive but also keeps the groups that own these factions from disbanding.

Now what if someone does not want to follow these rules? The solution is simple. By agreeing to these rules of engagements you are agreeing as a community of common interests. If a group has a home system that is under attack by another that does not follow these simple rules. Then those that do follow these rules should put all rivalries aside even if only temporary (the enemy of my enemy is my friend). With a much larger force defending a player owned minor factions home system (regardless of previous wars or rivalries), you can prevent them from losing their system and ultimately disbanding. Then after the threat is no longer present you can simply leave as friends, or continue on with your rivalry with one another. This small rule is so easy to follow and even if you completely hate another group, they are entitled to the game just as much as you are, the same could be said for attacking a home system. But i feel attacking causes more damage than it helps. You can however continue to gank, grief and fight your enemies as usual. Just don’t strike them below the belt.

Current rules of engagement:

- Undermining of a Player Owned Minor Factions Home system is illegal.
- Undermining of a Player Owned Minor Factions Expanding system(s) is legal.
- If a Player Owned Minor Factions Home system becomes under attack, those that agree to this pact will aid said faction regardless of prior rivalries or disputes.
- The use of the UA to damage station services within a Player Owned Minor Factions Home system should be treated as an undermining attempt on a home system and therefore is illegal.
- The use of the UA to damage station services within a Player Owned Minor Factions Expanding system(s) should be treated as an undermining attempt on an expanding system and therefore is legal.

By agreeing to this pact you agree to all of the above.

Please post your thoughts on the matter and feel free to suggest any changes or additions. This is meant to be a friendly topic so try and keep the flaming to a minimal. As for group leaders that would like to sign this pact please post below and send me a PM with your Groups name and system. If you would like your system to remain private please let me know beforehand. If you do sign this pact please inform your members to come check out this thread.

And to interject before all of these Khan comments pop up. Corvos has done some minor work on Khan and since taken control of a station. As we are primarily a PvP group we do not maintain our system as others do, those that grind influence are usually the new recruits also grinding out credits in conflict zones. This pact was created because of the resent events of our enemies being undermined by another group. I personally have noticed a pattern and would like to prevent further loss of systems as these groups under attack are primarily PvE groups that work hard for their systems. Corvos has put aside all pirating and griefing to help out those that we fight with the most from the threat of undermining.

Groups that have signed The Enemy of my Enemy Pact:

Corvos:
Khan solar system.

Military Militia:
Hip 6796 solar system.

E.X.O:
(Pending new terms, helped create the pact)
Wolf 1301 solar system.

PBSF:
(Pending new terms, helped create the pact)
Neto solar system.

I was wondering why you had came out with this and what would you get out of it ?
but someone told me you now have a station in Khan so you are protecting your own interest .If only you came out with this a few days earlier then it would have shown you had the community best interest not just corvos
however I do like this idea and its surprisingly well written .
 
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Bravo!

Most threads regarding factions just make my head spin and get me all paranoid about accidentally helping/hurting the wrong sides.

I love seeing the diplomatic side of things. I love seeing the discussions about the flexibility of this pact (UA's, ect ect) I think that's shows what a beautiful open world experience FD has created. One that definitely mimics the real/dangerous world we live in today.

I'm of two minds on the subject of involving PC players in this discussion.

1.) That they can so completely overpower XB1 groups that sharing your home base location is near suicide.

and

2.) That sharing this pact with the PC population may very well be the thing that saves an XB1 group from another predatory XB1 group.


It's a tenuous situation and you can't blame the leaders of these groups for behaving one way or another.



After all, it's one thing to say "Report someone on the forums who is openly discriminating against platforms" it's something else completely when they zerg your home base with all the credits, technology, population and experience they have on that side.

And when that happens, for better or worse.. there's no going back from that. There's no reporting tool. There's no moderation.

It's about trust.

Can you trust them?
 
I know this may be a radical thought, but how about I, and anyone else who feels like it, take any bb undermining missions they want to when playing the game.
My space, your space, ballspace.

Some of you seem to not give a monkey's about griefing people just going about their business, so stop crying when someone/group then does something that affects you using a "valid game mechanism“.
Can't have it both ways you know. Sometimes the hypocrisy on here is well beyond hilarity.
 
Bravo!

Most threads regarding factions just make my head spin and get me all paranoid about accidentally helping/hurting the wrong sides.

I love seeing the diplomatic side of things. I love seeing the discussions about the flexibility of this pact (UA's, ect ect) I think that's shows what a beautiful open world experience FD has created. One that definitely mimics the real/dangerous world we live in today.

I'm of two minds on the subject of involving PC players in this discussion.

1.) That they can so completely overpower XB1 groups that sharing your home base location is near suicide.

and

2.) That sharing this pact with the PC population may very well be the thing that saves an XB1 group from another predatory XB1 group.


It's a tenuous situation and you can't blame the leaders of these groups for behaving one way or another.



After all, it's one thing to say "Report someone on the forums who is openly discriminating against platforms" it's something else completely when they zerg your home base with all the credits, technology, population and experience they have on that side.

And when that happens, for better or worse.. there's no going back from that. There's no reporting tool. There's no moderation.

It's about trust.

Can you trust them?

I have either not noticed you in a long time or I thought you were dead :p
 
I know this may be a radical thought, but how about I, and anyone else who feels like it, take any bb undermining missions they want to when playing the game.
My space, your space, ballspace.

Some of you seem to not give a monkey's about griefing people just going about their business, so stop crying when someone/group then does something that affects you using a "valid game mechanism“.
Can't have it both ways you know. Sometimes the hypocrisy on here is well beyond hilarity.

I think the point of the pact is to organize larger groups who feel the same way about these things.

In that sense, you or your group doesn't have to agree to these things at all.

That's not hypocrisy. It's diplomacy.

I have either not noticed you in a long time or I thought you were dead :p

Rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated ;) I did have to take a couple months off however and am still not up at full strength.
 
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As far as we are aware, from our conversations with all other members, this isn't an "alliance" of any kind, it is simply a pact to ensure that Player controlled minor factions remain in game.

All the minor factions can have wildly different RP etc. but without having each group in game there would be hardly any point in the game at all. Should Corvos be knocked out of existence for instance, it would give our pilots no faction in game to fight against.

We're not going to be all pally with each other, but are perfectly willing to provide help to CMDRs to keep their faction in game, especially after certain non-faction player groups recently stated that it was their mission to remove all player controlled minor factions from their home stations.

While we don't agree with other factions play styles (or their old play styles at least), without giving people a chance to reform as we have seen recently from the Corvos website's posts, then we become griefers ourselves. Karma has repeatedly stated (and is evident again from the corvos website) that he is trying to reform the Corvos group and form a non-griefer player-pirate clan. Without giving them the chance to actually do this, it just repeats a cycle and nobody gets anything good from it

this pact is ALL about what's good for the community, what will work well to keep the community as a whole going, and it would be good if ALL factions would be a part of this, pirates, griefers, topless waitresses called Kandy. a Galactic United Nations of sorts. Even if we fight against each other in game (for whatever reason) it's best not to take a game too seriously and understand that each faction wants to continue and each faction has players in that would be saddened by the loss of something they have put a lot of hours into.
 
"You can however continue to gank, grief and fight your enemies as usual. Just don’t strike them below the belt." do you know what griefing is? im sure all corvos do.... seems a bit hypocritical to tell people not to strike below the belt...

EDIT: i mean all things aside, this sounds great, but i think this pact is a little too soon, maybe start off small? like trying to get people to stop griefing, maybe get pirates to start NOT shooting first, you know, small things, then work up, protecting player minor factions is excellent, but this means nothing if all pilots in general dont have any honor rules, or rules of engagement, if people dont accept the idea of not doing things just because you can, on a small scale, why would it be expected on any larger scale?
 
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All the minor factions can have wildly different RP etc. but without having each group in game there would be hardly any point in the game at all. Should Corvos be knocked out of existence for instance, it would give our pilots no faction in game to fight against.

What's the point in the game when you cannot make sure that an enemy clan atleast get hurt good. Not saying they should be thrown out of the system but losing a station seems perfectly fair to me.

Also you're scared of being called griefers and yet (atleast Exo members) have put multi-million credit bounties aswell as threatening us with getting sent back into Sidewinders?

Don't become the intergalactic UN, I don't want Asps removed because it might look like a women that's fat or something. :(
Don't do it to Lakon :(
 
Corvos has mentioned recently (somewhere, unfortunately I'm unable to locate the posts) they he is trying to reform Corvos and it's image after the Burn Eravate/Burn Khan debacle. He's trying to get it back to pirating and not griefing.

At least I believe that is what was stated. I went through Corvos' activity on the forums and was unable to find what I thought I was looking for. If I'm wrong, Corvos, please correct me.

He did say something of the likes (but that was on the Karmas Soldier profile). I have still yet to hear of anybody getting robbed by a Corvos member. I hear more of PvP just not noob killing.

This is the Karmas Soldier profile, if you are looking for older threads you will not find them as they have all been removed. Yes i stated that i wanted to restructure Corvos and it is still in the works. A few changes i have made are as followed...

Anything above a Vulture is fair game.
Anything under competent combat rank is on a return fire basis.
Trade ships must be asked for Cargo first, Type 6, 7 & 9.
Suicide Station Ganking is now frowned on even if they are KOS targets.
Combat logging punishment has been changed. First time offenders are not to play in any Corvos wings for 1 week, second time offenders is a 2 week ban from the website and Corvos wings, third time is permanent removal.

I also have a new alliance in place that is completely unrelated to this pact, the alliance details will be posted below.

As seen on the Corvos website.

Good Evening fellow Corvi!

I would like to announce that Corvos and Military Militia have entered into an Alliance with one another.

This new Alliance will prove to strengthen both of our factions in a number of ways.

Here is some information about Military Militia

Who We Are ? - Military Militia is a group made entirely of (real-life) current and former service men and women. We have been brought together through our common views and continued support of our respective nation’s defense.

Definition - Military Militia - Civilians that signed a blank check payable to the nation in a time of emergency. [Militia Dictionary definition: A military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.]

Our Mission Statement - To protect and serve the galactic nations' integrity and to assist those in need, who cannot defend themselves. To form alliances with our allies and destroy our enemies.

Our Patch - It represents the bond that we share as real life veterans. The Spartan hoplite helmet represents fearlessness, harsh and cruel life, and endurance. The Greek letters below the helmet spell “Brothers” and represents the support and respect that we give one other.

Rules Of Engagement:

- We do not kill civilians i.e. clean players, however if fired upon we will react with deadly force.

- Acts of aggression on any faction commander is considered hostile. Expect retaliation.

- Pirate/griever player factions are considered terrorists. Green light to shoot upon confirmation of known terrorist leaders or bounty.
(Hope i haven't lost you yet, keep reading Corvi)


How Our Faction Operates:

- Credits (CR): Most of us are mercenaries dreaming of riches on our next big bounty, however we also operate in building wealth through trading, mining, and by any other means available in the galaxy.

- Events: We hold group events often (weekly or bi-weekly). These may consist of: Training events at home station may include, but are not limited to: PvP & PvE dogfight training; Weapons/armor testing and outfitting.
- Searching for and eliminating known terrorists and terrorist cells (Bounty missions off the bounty board).
- Larger scale PvP events against hostile enemy factions.
- PowerPlay events and PP Merit support.
- Community goals missions.
- A host of other events TBD at a later date/time.

That is basically a rundown of our new ally Military Militia.

You may have noticed a few conflicts of interest for both factions. This is true, this group is basically the polar opposite of Corvos. So why would we ally with them?

It is simple, the Corvos fights wars around the Galaxy against bounty hunters and other rival factions and pirates. The Military Militia does the same thing. Both Corvos and Military Militia love the PvP aspect of Elite. We both own systems that need work. And we both hate combat logging.

When the Militia go to war with another faction Corvos will gladly aid them in their efforts. The same goes for Corvos, when we go to war with another faction they will back us up.

However the core fundamentals of our groups are still conflicting. That is a good thing. Militia can help Corvos stay in check so we don't have a repeat of events such as Burn Eravate. We can keep the pressure off of them from other rival factions and crime rings as well as intel on other groups and a slew of PvP events. Both MM and Corvos will have a joint recruitment campaign. If Corvos so happens to find someone that fits their group instead of ours then we send them over to Military Militia. The same thing goes for MM when they find people that would fit our group better, they send them to Corvos.

But most importantly they will also be our enemy during pirating campaigns.

When Corvos decides to attack a specific location such as we did in Karid, Orang, Besti and Kaushpoos etc etc. Military Militia will meet us on the other end, defending the locals from our tyranny. This makes the PvP full and fun and makes sure someone always comes to the aid of the innocent locals that may be moving through a system we target.

See as a Sort of Red vs Blue...

There are some rules of engagement when fighting Corvos and Military Militia, you will find these below.

- No Combat Logging of any kind.
- MvC combat is restricted to 50LY around a campaign.
- No hunting Military Militia or Corvos outside of a campaign.
- Treat each other with respect, no drama, no trash talk.

Some of the MM members may not want to pirate with you. So try to keep that in mind when wanting to play with them. The same thing goes for Corvos members not wanting to PvE. They do however hunt a lot of Commanders and enemy Faction members feel free to join in.

All in all we are here to improve the game. If you would like to meet some of these fantastic veterans check the roster below.

Military Militia Active Members:

LEADER: CMDR BOATMANBALLSHRD
1ST IN COMMAND: CMDR COMMANDER TUGG​
MOLE HD
Chef HUD
Commander Tugg
AnakinSpartan
Odd Color
CentrumSilver
Spirited Bacon
Sparta117Tetsuo
Warvet0708
Mavrac
AM Speen88
TLP SyKo
BoskyBosk
DougWebster
Soul Merkin420
BHAWK 81589
Taipan98
Wolf Lead
ChronicDanks420
midniterunner67
CyanRiven
TheEnigmaShew
DEADMAXX
beejie21
amercenary4life (a.k.a. ahiredgun)
Maj Ryan Hawk
Kurind
Zainal Lyon
USS Montana BB67
Vilamaek
Tsgt Paladin

If you have any questions or suggestions feel free to let me know.

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I was wondering why you had came out with this and what would you get out of it ?
but someone told me you now have a station in Khan so you are protecting your own interest .If only you came out with this a few days earlier then it would have shown you had the community best interest not just corvos
however I do like this idea and its surprisingly well written .


We own a freaking outpost, and still do not control the system. And this was being discussed with PBSF and EXO before we gained control of said outpost.
 
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