I appreciate your patience
I hope this release also includes teraformable earth like worlds which are like, really rare, and when you shoot them with a tera forming laser, they almost instantly turn into a completely different earth like world.
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I appreciate your patience
I hope this release also includes teraformable earth like worlds which are like, really rare, and when you shoot them with a tera forming laser, they almost instantly turn into a completely different earth like world.
I appreciate your patience
I hope this release also includes teraformable earth like worlds which are like, really rare, and when you shoot them with a tera forming laser, they almost instantly turn into a completely different earth like world.
Sounds more like a torpedo upgrade to me.
I really do want to be positive; I dislike pointless forum whining, and I'm disappointed in myself for the extent to which I've participated in it. However, that doesn't mean all complaints or worries are not legitimate.
I have a love-hate relationship with metagaming. I really LOVE metagaming things. Getting an extra edge because you've put in the time and effort for proper planning is something that makes me really happy. But at the same time, maybe in part because of that, I realize how much metagaming can ruin a fun game and how limiting it can be.
And I really hope we see some indication that FD is seriously considering how much extra strength a strong healing ability can give to meta-focused setups, and the degree to which that would inevitably influence the rest of the game.
Granted; we don't know much at all about it at this point. But my fear is that if it's a enough of a heal to please those who really want space-clerics it is inevitable that it will end up with a new meta based on having healers, and it almost inevitable for that meta to be very powerful against those not toeing the new line. If it's not strong enough to result in a new meta, everyone who really wants space-clerics is going to feel cheated.
I'm not worried about changes. I'm worried about unanticipated swings in player mindset, requiring swings in design to cater to that mindset, brought on by changes. Especially when changes are made not fully considering just how thoroughly metagamers can and will meta their game, and how all their theorycrafting inevitably bleeds out into the playerbase at large, changing the game for everyone.
Metas will always exist. They are not the problem. Their relative strength is. That is what needs to be kept in mind and mitigated when designing, and "healing" is such a powerful concept in a combat-heavy game, it really requires very careful consideration, especially when it's added in after the fact.
I have a love-hate relationship with metagaming. I really LOVE metagaming things. Getting an extra edge because you've put in the time and effort for proper planning is something that makes me really happy. But at the same time, maybe in part because of that, I realize how much metagaming can ruin a fun game and how limiting it can be.
And I really hope we see some indication that FD is seriously considering how much extra strength a strong healing ability can give to meta-focused setups, and the degree to which that would inevitably influence the rest of the game.
Granted; we don't know much at all about it at this point. But my fear is that if it's a enough of a heal to please those who really want space-clerics it is inevitable that it will end up with a new meta based on having healers, and it almost inevitable for that meta to be very powerful against those not toeing the new line. If it's not strong enough to result in a new meta, everyone who really wants space-clerics is going to feel cheated.
I'm not worried about changes. I'm worried about unanticipated swings in player mindset, requiring swings in design to cater to that mindset, brought on by changes. Especially when changes are made not fully considering just how thoroughly metagamers can and will meta their game, and how all their theorycrafting inevitably bleeds out into the playerbase at large, changing the game for everyone.
Metas will always exist. They are not the problem. Their relative strength is. That is what needs to be kept in mind and mitigated when designing, and "healing" is such a powerful concept in a combat-heavy game, it really requires very careful consideration, especially when it's added in after the fact.
I wonder how difficult it will be to get a healing laser and what things will have to be given up other than a weapon slot, to have one. How many players will pursue this? Will NPC's have them (not likely). Will we be able to gain one as loot after destroying a ship that has one??? <- hint on looting FD.
This type of announcement (healing lasers) is a reason FD should bring back the spirit of the Design Discussion Forum. There is already a lively debate going on but IT IS TOO LATE. This is one idea FD should have realized would be questioned by the folks that love the more true to science parts of the game. Sometimes presentation is everything- we have shield cell banks, maybe this could be a shield modification instead of a laser modification and require management of absorbing or deflecting mode.
2.1 is delayed to help FD polish existing stuff. But they could delay all of season 2 for that. Will healing lazors be another mechanic to revisit?
When SCBs were the meta it was still possible to do more damage than scbs could heal and take down ships using scbs. And everyone were worried about pp modules but all that died in 1 hour after players got their hands on them.
Acknowledged and agreed... you got me there.... And?
However, I did use the word 'known'
And... saying I can come up with other examples of exotic possibilities (but probably will always be in the realm of sci-fi); but really don't want to put in the effort at the moment.
We already know a lot of the new features and there should be a bunch of fixes. Or maybe you mean other new features not yet announced?
I'm excited by pretty much everything I've heard so far (even if they haven't coded everything I want yet
):- Making BGS much more apparent but through in-game presentation
- Faces on mission givers
- Tier 2 persistent NPC (mission givers only at first I assume)
- Bookmarks on galactic map (not sure if they will work on system maps)
- Tracks on planets
- Mission fixes and additional work on missions
- graphical fixes and updates
- Loot and crafting- although particulars not out yet I am interested in Loot a lot more than crafting
- more info on Aliens and barnacles hinted at...
- an update to the Outfitting screens (wonder about that...)
- collapsible configuration menus (needed that for a while, or tabbed categories, still need a keyboard map on-screen to stop over-writing bound keys- that is a basic)
- What am I forgetting that is known?
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Yeah, I was just thinking, why didn't they put this in the newsletter first.
I have no doubt someone will read this thread and then tomorrow complain there is no new news in the newsletter when FD repeats this news.
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We already know a lot of the new features and there should be a bunch of fixes. Or maybe you mean other new features not yet announced?
I'm excited by pretty much everything I've heard so far (even if they haven't coded everything I want yet
- Making BGS much more apparent but through in-game presentation
- Faces on mission givers
- Tier 2 persistent NPC (mission givers only at first I assume)
- Bookmarks on galactic map (not sure if they will work on system maps)
- Tracks on planets
- Mission fixes and additional work on missions
- graphical fixes and updates
- Loot and crafting- although particulars not out yet I am interested in Loot a lot more than crafting
- I'm probably forgetting something ...
- more info on Aliens and barnacles hinted at...
- an update to the Outfitting screens (wonder about that...)
- collapsible configuration menus (needed that for a while, or tabbed categories, still need a keyboard map on-screen to stop over-writing bound keys- that is a basic)
- What am I forgetting that is known?
Well, I'll take bookmarks on the galactic map, tracks on planets, improved missions depending on what "improved" means and graphical fixes. However, a galaxy full of healers, clerics, wizards and perhaps deities and +4 chaotic shields would tip the balance rather unfavourably for me.
Hats off FD - you peaked my interest again!
Ok that thing looks kinda interesting.
Hopefully it adds more "roles" to the gameplay then, support, longrange, and whatever else you can imagine.
just...please explain how the ranking system works after the rework. you said several times now that you want to split the major faction rank from minor faction missions...but how will it work then?
Hopefully it adds more "roles" to the gameplay then, support, longrange, and whatever else you can imagine.
just...please explain how the ranking system works after the rework. you said several times now that you want to split the major faction rank from minor faction missions...but how will it work then?
Oh joy you just added the holy trinity in to ED, this is going to be a nightmare, that laser is now going to create healers. You'll now have wings of HRP and shield booster tanks, Glass cannon DPS ship builds and healer ships that recharge shields. I have to say I'm very worried how this will work considering your also beefing up the AI. I can see AI wings being way to overkill unless they start having to manage heat and loose their cheats that they have had to give them a fighting chance against players before the improvements.
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One thing comes to mind can only one ship recharge another ar a time with one laser or its open to abuse.
For example a Cobra Mk3 using four recharge beams in a wing two are full healers the last is a Anny with heavy weapons would be practically unstoppable. Or even a Corvette etc.
If its more than one laser at a time then it will be abused like mad and will be the SCB fiasco all over again.
For example a Cobra Mk3 using four recharge beams in a wing two are full healers the last is a Anny with heavy weapons would be practically unstoppable. Or even a Corvette etc.
If its more than one laser at a time then it will be abused like mad and will be the SCB fiasco all over again.
Great news!
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