The Eve Online Thread

The news report that CCP was bought. This is not a partnership at least not one in which CCP is left with any sway or power otherwise it would ve been labled differently. I certainly dont know the details of the contract but if they were bought that means that they have given up many of their rights for money. Be that creative freedom or being able to decide on the course of the game. I am sure the people working at CCP will stay the same but the captain at the rudder has changed. At least thats how I see it. Its hard to say if CCP agreed to this for greed or financial need but personally I took the news with a feeling of dread. After all we are not talking about family or a personal relationship. Its a business transaction and after working for more then 25 years I have learned that companies especially the big ones hold no loyalty ând dont value friendship. Its all about the money and if you let money dictate what you do things usually go downhill. I am willing to be proven differently but these news alone make me think that IF there will ever be a sequel to EVE online it will be a shadow of its former self at best.

I don't think any of that necessarily follows (although it could, you're right, and we don't know all the details).

The deal may be purely financial in nature. CCP could retain all creative control over their projects, but the money generated from that goes to the wider group. It really all depends on Pearl Abyss' motivation for the buyout, and we won't really know that until a few months / years down the line I think.
 
I don't think any of that necessarily follows (although it could, you're right, and we don't know all the details).

The deal may be purely financial in nature. CCP could retain all creative control over their projects, but the money generated from that goes to the wider group. It really all depends on Pearl Abyss' motivation for the buyout, and we won't really know that until a few months / years down the line I think.

Aye I dont claim to be an expert in these matters but I worry.

The last developer (an indie but still...) that I was getting attached to had an impressive connection to its community and while the produced games were not AAA in scope they certainly were great games. This company was doing great (IMO) and generated a lot of hype in the media world at its time so much so that it was approached by a big publisher eventually who showed interest to "support" them. The news were at first overall negative but the devs made sure to explain the reasons for this "cooperation" and stated multiple times that this would only increase capabilities and would not affect direction or creational freedom.

Years after this I can say that despite all the promises of independence things have changed. New games are generally developed faster but are missing the "elegance" and quality of older titles (they all had bugs at release but the new ones are swarming with em....), prices have went up and they are now using the much despised DLC-policy to get more money when before we were used to getting rich content patches for free they are now charging for every single thing.

This could very well be a natural development and doesnt need to be caused by the publisher but is it really coincidence that things started to change after they agreed to the contract?

You know its just my personal opinion but i do worry. Especially as in this case its Pearl Abyss. They are Korean and they are known due to Desert Online which I have experience with. I specifically stopped playing Desert Online because of its P2W mentality which is a lot softer then in the korean version but its there as PA is pushing its narratives hard to maximize its profit margins. If the report says that CCP is bought by these guys then I worry very much because PA already showed that its greedy and doesnt care. Now CCp has been ready to confirm it will keep its freedom and control over the game but due to my pre-described experiences I dont believe it until I see it.

CCP was an original in my book.....regardless on how this ends...that time is over now.
 
It's 2020 now. Anybody playing Eve Online? For someone who actually is looking for a "top-down" strategy-based space game (ED is my flying game of choice), how does Eve fair? Does it require a dedicated, grindy playstyle, or can someone dabble in it more casually in an Eve version of a stock Sidewinder and just explore and experience things on a more rudimentary level?
 
It's 2020 now. Anybody playing Eve Online? For someone who actually is looking for a "top-down" strategy-based space game (ED is my flying game of choice), how does Eve fair? Does it require a dedicated, grindy playstyle, or can someone dabble in it more casually in an Eve version of a stock Sidewinder and just explore and experience things on a more rudimentary level?

Yes it is. Not here these days. Badly. Yes. No.
 
It's 2020 now. Anybody playing Eve Online? For someone who actually is looking for a "top-down" strategy-based space game (ED is my flying game of choice), how does Eve fair? Does it require a dedicated, grindy playstyle, or can someone dabble in it more casually in an Eve version of a stock Sidewinder and just explore and experience things on a more rudimentary level?

I used to play a ton but after change of publisher and making the game f2p with tons of in game stuff to buy (including skill boosters that are uhm.... kinda pay to win? No?) I almost dont play anymore. Its a completely different game than I remember lol.
Anyway, I dont think EVE its a drop in drop out explore the galaxy kind of material. Yes, it is very time consuming experience if you want to build your small empire so to speak, or even get the basics of fitting different stuff to different ships.

Again, EVE is now free to play (it locks you out of most of the stuff tho) so you can just have a taste of thing for yourself.
 

Sorry. No point in sugar coating it I felt. 🤷‍♀️

But as mentioned, it's free-to-play now, so you can give it a try for yourself. Who knows, it may be your thing. It's certainly still some people's, though not mine any more, and I played for the first 10 years of the servers being online.
 
Sorry. No point in sugar coating it I felt. 🤷‍♀️

But as mentioned, it's free-to-play now, so you can give it a try for yourself. Who knows, it may be your thing. It's certainly still some people's, though not mine any more, and I played for the first 10 years of the servers being online.

With the latest changes to ore mining EVE has suddenly become a lot hotter so "casually" doing your thing will be sort of hard when even the innocent occupations are considered threats all of a sudden
 
I guess the biggest selling point EVE has over ED, is that in ED nothing we ever do matters not even in the most miniscule of scales, aside for buying ships and engineering them there is no point in doing (or not doing) anything at all. In EVE on the other hand, everything anybody does matters. You can't even buy a ship without first someone mining the necessary ores for it to be built.

Unfortunately, EVE is a point and click game, so I never fell much in love with it, not even the kind of love-hate relationship I have with ED.
 
I guess the biggest selling point EVE has over ED, is that in ED nothing we ever do matters not even in the most miniscule of scales, aside for buying ships and engineering them there is no point in doing (or not doing) anything at all. In EVE on the other hand, everything anybody does matters. You can't even buy a ship without first someone mining the necessary ores for it to be built.

Unfortunately, EVE is a point and click game, so I never fell much in love with it, not even the kind of love-hate relationship I have with ED.

Its not all great or bad tho. In order to "matter" in EVE you basically have to sacrifice your first-born and pledge eternal servitude to the almighty all-nighter. You simply cant play it (filthy) casually and hope to be of any importance or having any kind of impact. ED on the other hand allows you to play when you WANT without having the feeling to miss out on stuff.

EVE along with WoW taught me that video gaming can go too far and how easy it is to get caught in those loops.
 

Ozric

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EvE is worth playing for a while, if not just so you can learn how to recognise and avoid scammers. And so you can understand what being ganked and griefed is really like!

Mind you, I haven't played since before it went f2p either. I played it for 4-5 years mainly as a miner and industrialist but in order to earn enough isk to buy Plex, to effectively play for free, was a daily "job". It became too much, and when the corp I was in (only a 2 man job and the main guy went AWOL) had war declared on it, and they destroyed everything that we had worked for 2 years building... I didn't see the need to carry on. I was free :)

I had some great times like stealth scavenging ships and drones in Faction Warfare zones, I learnt a lot about how to be sneaky and it also taught me the golden rule of EvE.

Trust no-one.
 
Its not all great or bad tho. In order to "matter" in EVE you basically have to sacrifice your first-born and pledge eternal servitude to the almighty all-nighter. You simply cant play it (filthy) casually and hope to be of any importance or having any kind of impact. ED on the other hand allows you to play when you WANT without having the feeling to miss out on stuff.

EVE along with WoW taught me that video gaming can go too far and how easy it is to get caught in those loops.

When I said everything you do in Eve matters, I didn't mean a single player can have an easy impact in the grand scheme of things.

Taking from my own mining example, in EVE every bit of ore that a player collects and brings back will in fact be used for something (even if, and most likely, by someone else). There is a real economy. In ED, it doesn't matter one iota if there is a million players mining stuff, or not a single player mining anything, the end result is the same: it doesn't matter at all, the universe will stay just the same.

It doesn't matter if thousands of players show up to evacuate a burning station, or if nobody shows. You can't even tell if your efforst have succeeded, or have any sense of urgency (like knowing that there's still X thousand people to evacuate and the station will explode in X hours). Every single activity in ED is like a ride in a theme park, when the music stops it all resets itself, and whatever you did disappears into the void.

Thats the kind of stuff where Eve is simply better, from the largest to the tiniest scale, everything still has a purpose. Of course, as a spaceship flying game ED is miles better.
 
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