The Eve Online Thread

So I installed EVE and am doing an Alpha clone 'free to play' account now after a several year break. Anyone have a good corporation suggestion for me? I'm hardly a hardcore player, so something a little more forgiving woukd be nice. :)

It all depends on what you want to do :)

Just got back to Eve myself after a two-year break, and just joigned Signal Cartel, strictly peaceful exploration corp (much like Elite's exploration community). I'm having a hard time getting really Eve-motivated, though :/
 
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If anybody feels like quitting or so I`m more than happy to welcome your stuff and ISK an take good care of them. I need stuff in my EVE...
 
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Ha! No help to you now but When I left this 4 years now flew to various noob starter systems and gave away nearly 4 billion in isk over 2 days. Some happy folk made use of it I hope. All my BPs many of them original I scattered to random people flying about.
 
Omg, they are not shutting down. Stop this doom and gloom. I doubt there will even be any changes to how CCP operates. They keep all 3 of their studios running. Time will show if it affect players in any way.
 
Not surprise they been brought out, CPP failed miserably at releasing other games. Which was costly to the firm. Plus everyone to the free play model, which must have hammered their revenue stream.

This is a warning to elite players criticise Frontier for using revenue from elite to create other games.
 
I’ve never been much of a fan of sandbox-type gameplay in MMOs but there are a lot of people out there who prefer it to grinding through static content. Not matter how much EVE Online sucks as a game, the game has a surprisingly large number of fans. 100k subscribers is an amazing number for a game developed by a tiny Icelandic game developer, especially considering that EVE Online isn’t high fantasy mainstream.

Just want to say that CCP is not a tiny developer. They made more revenue annually than Frontier (maybe until recently). CCP was the biggest and best Icelandic game developer. It's not Icelandic anymore though. Their top management shouldn't have sold out to a foreign game publisher especially not some second rate Korean like Pearl Abyss. They just wanted the money, but by doing so they've put the future of Eve Online at stake which could be shut down by pearl Abyss if they want to cut costs.

The weird part is that Eve Online has been doing quite well that CCP could've grown and expanded independently with more games in the Eve universe as well as World of Darkness games. Their top management and CEO sold out for some quick cash from Pearl Abyss. CCP could now end up in the dust bin like other greats such as Westwood Studios, Bullfrog, Lionhead etc.
 
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Viajero

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Just want to say that CCP is not a tiny developer. They made more revenue annually than Frontier (maybe until recently). CCP was the biggest and best Icelandic game developer. It's not Icelandic anymore though. Their top management shouldn't have sold out to a foreign game publisher especially not some second rate Korean like Pearl Abyss. They just wanted the money, but by doing so they've put the future of Eve Online at stake which could be shut down by pearl Abyss if they want to cut costs.

The weird part is that Eve Online has been doing quite well that CCP could've grown and expanded independently with more games in the Eve universe as well as World of Darkness games. Their top management and CEO sold out for some quick cash from Pearl Abyss. CCP could now end up in the dust bin like other greats such as Westwood Studios, Bullfrog, Lionhead etc.

Has Pearl Abyss made any statement regarding EVE?
 
I believe the article has a statement from either CCP or the Pearl Abyss saying that all CCP studios will continue operating normally. What that means, or if this means anything for EVE is yet to be seen.

The beginning of the end? Of course they would give that statement but for me its basically worthless. Too often have I seen indi and small promising companies being bought up by publishers resulting in such statements only to observe over the following years how things changed to the worse. I was kind of proud in CCP for what they achieved. The game aint for everybody but its nevertheless a marvel of unmatched creativity to this day. I m not saying that EVE is doomed or will go under now. For all I hope it ll prosper or at least stay the same but I dont trust that statement even a little. Its meant to put peoples worries at bay nothing else. The following year(s) will show if this was the right move.

Sure, EVE never was the mainstream game racking in millions of subscribers but I always thought CCP was doing well enough to keep going. I wonder if this move is a thing of necessity or greed?
 

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EVE 2 soonish? :D

If EVE is left to rot I suspect it will leave a nice market niche to be filled in by savyy developers.

Weather the Koreans support it or not I do not think the marvel EVE represents will disappear at all.
 
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Even if new guys would make EVE even worse its not end of it - game has so many players it will last very long till its "doomed" or EVE 2 even become on option. Dont worry, there will be plenty of folks willing to pay to win in EVE and accept whatever new publisher throw at them.
 
after seeing so many sequels to promising franchises going the "moar profit foa teh publishah" route I have my doubts about EVE 2 ever seeing the light of day or living up to the original. Its hard to imagine what they would improve over EVE anyway as I consider the current title cutting edge when it comes to content and complexity. Building a better technical foundation to enable space legs or integrate FPS or arcade space flight is at best a mod and not worth a game on its own. EVE grew over a decade, its going to be hard to beat what it has become.
 

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after seeing so many sequels to promising franchises going the "moar profit foa teh publishah" route I have my doubts about EVE 2 ever seeing the light of day or living up to the original. Its hard to imagine what they would improve over EVE anyway as I consider the current title cutting edge when it comes to content and complexity. Building a better technical foundation to enable space legs or integrate FPS or arcade space flight is at best a mod and not worth a game on its own. EVE grew over a decade, its going to be hard to beat what it has become.

Hey, I am sure someone must be on top of the latest on meshed servers, object container streaming and the power of the machines so to improve the time dilation nonsense.
 
I'm 46, and I think EVE will outlive me.

People tend to forget just how 'old' EVE is. It was designed at a time when those who were lucky enough to have internet access at home, did so over a 28.8K modem. It was totally groundbreaking for the time... less so now. But here's the thing: people don't play it because it's the most immersive or cutting edge game out there; they play it for the community. And the tools to organise that are all in-game, they all work, and it's pretty much unparalleled in my experience. EVE 2 is unnecessary.

What CCP haven't been able to do successfully is diversify. They haven't launched anything else even remotely as successful. I can see the Koreans being especially useful in this regard, having carved out a niche of their own in relatively recent times.

So, I would see this as a 'partnership' rather than a typical takeover in order to strip-mine the company of talent. CCP get more funding & marketing expertise, and Pearl Abyss get the EVE franchise and whatever CCP does next. At least until there's actual evidence to the contrary.
 
EVE 2 is unnecessary.

Well put. I totally agree on that sentiment. In fact I have been trying to come up with things that I personally would like to see in a sequel and apart from some superficial things I gotta say current EVE already fulfills a lot of the stuff that players of the genre "crave". I always found EVE impressive and very intimidating because unlike many other games it absolutely pummels you with its potential and mindblowing scope the further you get into it. Because as you say the "game" itself is just one layer among many. The community is its biggest asset and responsible for its success. CCP merely provided the tools at the time.

Sadly the community also is in part responsible for its limited size. I remember very well how I came late to the party (first log-in 2014) not because I never heard of the game before but because I heard so many stories about player interactions which were epic but also frightening. Even after I started playing I never got "into" the game fully because its reputation and peoples ruthlessness kept me at bay. I realize that this is in part my own responsibility and I dont blame EVE, after all its just a tool for people to use.

EVE aims to simulate real life economics and relationships and same as various industries in our world you dont simply barge into any of it and claim your stake. On top of a successful idea or concept you are absolutely required to have contacts, cultivate relationships to key people and are able to tap into a financial backbone, be it your own money or credit. Becoming successful in todays landscape requires work and a whole lot of luck (maybe "opportunity" is a better term). And while everybody probably dreams of being a leader and alpha dog the brutal reality is that most people simply are not...I am one of them.

I dont know about you but personally I cannot say that I love my work. I do what I do because it allows me to do what I want to do in my life. It doesnt make me a millionaire but then people tend to blend out all the things actual millionaires have to do or have done in order to become one.

EVE is very much like real life in this regard. You wont become notorious or influencial or important by trying hard. These things, like real life, require certain qualities on your part in addition to opportunity that many people have not. Often aiming for something in life will fundamentally change you if you dont give up and are willing to do what needs to be done. Personally I refuse to spend my precious free time by buckling under other peoples oppression or letting other people decide how I play or generally let a game have this kind of power over me. Building and maintaining a network of contacts is something I already hate in real life but its one of the things I do because I "have to". I am not going to log into a game to continue doing the things I flee from by logging into games /confusion

Most new players coming to the game are afraid of being killed or exploited without the power to do anything about it. Advice like "the first thing you need to learn is that you WILL die, its just a matter of time" doesnt help and if you dont blatantly lie being frank and truthful will more likely keep new people at bay rather then draw them into the game. Staying alive basically is a proccess. Learning how to do certain things effectively and how to stay out of trouble or how to become "good" at what you do. Pretty much like real life EVE Online is hard work at first and can be very overwhelming to newcomers. Protection comes at the cost of relying on others and most people dont do stuff for free or without reason so you either bribe or kiss buttocks. If you are too proud to do either or have the conviction that you "can make it on your own" (btw...its an illusion, you will always rely on others to succeed at the game) you are going to need a thick hide or a vast tolerance for punishment. Many break or give up before they cut out a piece for themselves. PvP in EVE comes down to domination. Be it over space, resources or simply to vent your frustration and none of these reasons result in any form of fair fight. But real life doesnt care about fairness either. It provides reasons for conflict and so does the game.

So I understand that EVE rewards you more the more you invest and I m not saying I deserve more or are entitled to any form of success. But its the reason why....even tho I still absolutely love the games concept and scope....do not play it actively anymore and probably only scratched the surface when I did. Regular life is filled with enough duties and responsibilities as it is....I dont want these kind of things in my games when all I am looking for is some relaxation. And I am also at an age at which I feel I dont have to prove anything to anybody anymore.

I got a little sidetracked there sorry for the rambling....its what I do :)

In short I dont see how EVE has become "stale" or "old" requiring a new game because its design makes it up-to-date based on the people who play it. EVE 2 would need to be something completely different in order to surpass its predecessor or make it obsolete. While "Better graphics" are always possible that alone would not justify the development cost nor the purchases (at least not for me) and its hard to imagine a game that offers even more complexity than the current game does.


The news report that CCP was bought. This is not a partnership at least not one in which CCP is left with any sway or power otherwise it would ve been labled differently. I certainly dont know the details of the contract but if they were bought that means that they have given up many of their rights for money. Be that creative freedom or being able to decide on the course of the game. I am sure the people working at CCP will stay the same but the captain at the rudder has changed. At least thats how I see it. Its hard to say if CCP agreed to this for greed or financial need but personally I took the news with a feeling of dread. After all we are not talking about family or a personal relationship. Its a business transaction and after working for more then 25 years I have learned that companies especially the big ones hold no loyalty ând dont value friendship. Its all about the money and if you let money dictate what you do things usually go downhill. I am willing to be proven differently but these news alone make me think that IF there will ever be a sequel to EVE online it will be a shadow of its former self at best.
 
EVE 2 soonish? :D

If EVE is left to rot I suspect it will leave a nice market niche to be filled in by savyy developers.

Weather the Koreans support it or not I do not think the marvel EVE represents will disappear at all.

Well, an EVE game, with new technology and NOT made in Python that can support multi-core server CPU's would be quite nice.

They might even be able to skip or reduce Time Dilation with more modern server hardware.

Well put. I totally agree on that sentiment.

A part deux might not be required but a complete overhaul of their old Python code or switch to something so that their server infrastructure can support multi-core CPU's would be good.
 
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