General / Off-Topic The Expanse, Season 5 :: December 16th 2020

Book 4 and 5 were always going to be the hardest to translate to screen and its little surprises Syfy passed on it.
I'm not sure that's a valid reason. Most shows are literally writing scripts week by week, by the seat of their pants. Some shows have showrunners that have show bibles and a season by season plan but it's really no more than an outline and hopes and dreams. This show already had full books full of characters and plot. The TV writers job is to make the show watchable and in this case they don't even have to make characters, write plot, or create drama. Just make it work for TV. I think many writers would be dreaming of such a cushy position.
 
Honestly this was the worst season with the back and forth scenes, The SyFy expanse was so much better, none can argue that S1 was the best and just fell off from there.

With so many good shows failing at or towards the end nowadays im not surprised this happened with Expanse.

Cas Anvar is 54?! What?! Meh the rest of the cast will find decent new roles elsewhere after the final season, especially Amos since the girls LOVE him. Time to work out!
I'm older... :(
 
The show obviously had lots of lead time to write Cas Anvar out. Alex was the "Bones" of the crew, so his loss has major plot loss implications.

The books are obviously what the story is supposed to be hung on, but the loss of Alex was proof that the books might not survive contact with film production... :)
 
Random Absurd Whimsy:

Anakin...err..."Filip" whacks Daddy.

Since a galaxy-wide military dictatorship is going to be a hard sell, Naomi comes up with the Ring-Freezer (similar to the books). End of Laconia storyline. Super Space Sparta isn't going to go down well for the after-broadcast market. A downer series end may make some people happy, but I won't be buying it on Amazon...

Super Space Sparta probably won't be handing out Kumo Burger Franchises. They will be eating their enemies themselves. Without BBQ sauce.

Holden's Transit Authority is a good, natural break point.
 
The show obviously had lots of lead time to write Cas Anvar out. Alex was the "Bones" of the crew, so his loss has major plot loss implications.

The books are obviously what the story is supposed to be hung on, but the loss of Alex was proof that the books might not survive contact with film production... :)

Yeah but come on, one of the very first scenes was holden doing the nasty in zero gravity. One moment Holden proudly mentions his Pilot the next? He's Banned?! I can continue but i smell something bad about the allegation.

Edit: Yet a boy smacking his mother is ok on TV, what?
 
Yeah but come on, one of the very first scenes was holden doing the nasty in zero gravity. One moment Holden proudly mentions his Pilot the next? He's Banned?! I can continue but i smell something bad about the allegation.

Edit: Yet a boy smacking his mother is ok on TV, what?

What do fictional scenes have to do with real-world allegations?
 
What do fictional scenes have to do with real-world allegations?

Those heinous scenes was portayed on TV as if it is ok in the real world, all it takes is for Burton to go out with the wrong chick and next thing you know there will be cops banging on his door.

Really going to show a scene with a kid smacking his mom?
 
Those heinous scenes was portayed on TV as if it is ok in the real world

Whatever your personal definition of heinous is, the actions of fictional characters don't imply anything about what is ok in the real world, or even in the fictional one those characters exist in, when taken out of context.

If you have difficulty separating fantasy from reality, you are free to refrain from indulging in fantasy material.

all it takes is for Burton to go out with the wrong chick and next thing you know there will be cops banging on his door.

In the case of Amos Burton/Timmy, given how much of a badass the character is, I don't think those cops will fare too well when they come to collect Peaches/Clarissa Mao (one of the the 'wrongest chicks' I can think of, and even more of a badass) for escaping from prison and Burton for helping her.

If you mean Wes Chatham, the actor who plays Amos Burton the character, then yes, he could conceivably go out with the 'wrong chick' and face allegations of something he did not do, possibly having to make statements to law enforcement, and perhaps even be investigated. If it's a one-off thing and there is no real evidence against him, the allegations would almost certainly not result in any significant personal or legal trouble for Chatham, but could very well result in a slander settlement against his hypothetical accuser.

Having many people come forward with credible accusations of harassment and assault is rather less likely if there was no wrongdoing, which is why the studio saw fit to end their relationship with Cas Anvar. Maybe he's innocent, maybe not, but a pattern of such accusations is not something the studio felt they could just ignore. Should he be exonerated, surely he'll be able to seek, and probably receive, compensation.

Really going to show a scene with a kid smacking his mom?

Sure.

I don't really want to descend into a game of whataboutery, but you're talking about a show where people are casually killed all the time, where children have been abducted and turned into literal monsters, where some of the antagonists and even protagonists are mass murderers...but the 'heinous' acts that stand out to you are: an entirely consensual sexual encounter; and a justifiably upset young murderer, who has been manipulated by his mass-murderer father into being even more conflicted than he should be about his accessory-to-mass-murder mother abandoned him, backhanding her?

Well, if that's what offends you, again, you're free to not watch it.
 
The show obviously had lots of lead time to write Cas Anvar out. Alex was the "Bones" of the crew, so his loss has major plot loss implications.

The books are obviously what the story is supposed to be hung on, but the loss of Alex was proof that the books might not survive contact with film production... :)

It honestly doesn't his role is easily filled by Peaches and was telegraphed as much with the references in season 5 that she is a pilot and also Bull is as good a pilot as Alex was.
 
Whatever your personal definition of heinous is, the actions of fictional characters don't imply anything about what is ok in the real world, or even in the fictional one those characters exist in, when taken out of context.

If you have difficulty separating fantasy from reality, you are free to refrain from indulging in fantasy material.



In the case of Amos Burton/Timmy, given how much of a badass the character is, I don't think those cops will fare too well when they come to collect Peaches/Clarissa Mao (one of the the 'wrongest chicks' I can think of, and even more of a badass) for escaping from prison and Burton for helping her.

If you mean Wes Chatham, the actor who plays Amos Burton the character, then yes, he could conceivably go out with the 'wrong chick' and face allegations of something he did not do, possibly having to make statements to law enforcement, and perhaps even be investigated. If it's a one-off thing and there is no real evidence against him, the allegations would almost certainly not result in any significant personal or legal trouble for Chatham, but could very well result in a slander settlement against his hypothetical accuser.

Having many people come forward with credible accusations of harassment and assault is rather less likely if there was no wrongdoing, which is why the studio saw fit to end their relationship with Cas Anvar. Maybe he's innocent, maybe not, but a pattern of such accusations is not something the studio felt they could just ignore. Should he be exonerated, surely he'll be able to seek, and probably receive, compensation.



Sure.

I don't really want to descend into a game of whataboutery, but you're talking about a show where people are casually killed all the time, where children have been abducted and turned into literal monsters, where some of the antagonists and even protagonists are mass murderers...but the 'heinous' acts that stand out to you are: an entirely consensual sexual encounter; and a justifiably upset young murderer, who has been manipulated by his mass-murderer father into being even more conflicted than he should be about his accessory-to-mass-murder mother abandoned him, backhanding her?

Well, if that's what offends you, again, you're free to not watch it.
Whatever your personal definition of heinous is, the actions of fictional characters don't imply anything about what is ok in the real world, or even in the fictional one those characters exist in, when taken out of context.

If you have difficulty separating fantasy from reality, you are free to refrain from indulging in fantasy material.



In the case of Amos Burton/Timmy, given how much of a badass the character is, I don't think those cops will fare too well when they come to collect Peaches/Clarissa Mao (one of the the 'wrongest chicks' I can think of, and even more of a badass) for escaping from prison and Burton for helping her.

If you mean Wes Chatham, the actor who plays Amos Burton the character, then yes, he could conceivably go out with the 'wrong chick' and face allegations of something he did not do, possibly having to make statements to law enforcement, and perhaps even be investigated. If it's a one-off thing and there is no real evidence against him, the allegations would almost certainly not result in any significant personal or legal trouble for Chatham, but could very well result in a slander settlement against his hypothetical accuser.

Having many people come forward with credible accusations of harassment and assault is rather less likely if there was no wrongdoing, which is why the studio saw fit to end their relationship with Cas Anvar. Maybe he's innocent, maybe not, but a pattern of such accusations is not something the studio felt they could just ignore. Should he be exonerated, surely he'll be able to seek, and probably receive, compensation.



Sure.

I don't really want to descend into a game of whataboutery, but you're talking about a show where people are casually killed all the time, where children have been abducted and turned into literal monsters, where some of the antagonists and even protagonists are mass murderers...but the 'heinous' acts that stand out to you are: an entirely consensual sexual encounter; and a justifiably upset young murderer, who has been manipulated by his mass-murderer father into being even more conflicted than he should be about his accessory-to-mass-murder mother abandoned him, backhanding her?

Well, if that's what offends you, again, you're free to not watch it.

When you have someone with a bad thought like abusing a mother which never crossed my mind irl and has no place on TV or anywhere else then there is a problem and a concern with the mental health of the director.

What was the point of that scene in zero gravity? You're right that this show glorify sex, murder, and abusing kids/moms like GoT but when a dude like Cas getting cut off because he had fun with one too many girls with one of them eventually clicking the me too button also having her girlfriends doing the same is frightening.

Whatever happen with the allegations of James Franco, Ryan seacrest and Carson Daily? Cas gets the boot though right?

I'll probably watch S1 again but no im not looking forward to S6. You still like the show then cool do your thing.
 
Yeah, that was about as much ignorant, self-righteous, insanity as I can take from one post and I think it's best if I just stick you on ignore.
 
Yeah, that was about as much ignorant, self-righteous, insanity as I can take from one post and I think it's best if I just stick you on ignore.

Yeah this was screenshot worthy, Maybe we can make our own version of expanse.. Oh wait you took the infamous way out, have fun with that Philip Naomi scene.
 
I've lost interest in The Expanse after this last season - the writing and the pacing were agonizing to me after awhile. I swear, if I had to watch Naomi gasp for air for one more minute (they spent three episodes focusing on this), I was going to lose it. The show majored on the minors (Naomi gasping for air) and minored on the majors (the amazing but under-serviced story of Marco's rebellion), giving us a finale that I found really disappointing and "rushed". I also found all the "side-quest" stories to be unfulfilling this season. It just felt like a slog to me. YMMV.

My favorite season was I think season 3 - the season that ends with the opening of the ring. The pacing, character development, and general storytelling of that season really nailed it for me personally. I went into this season thinking it might be my new favorite season, because the attack on earth using stealthed asteroids was epic, but then it derailed, at least IMO. I still love the visual effects and the characters (sadly Alex was a favorite, and now he's gone), but the show has lost it's appeal. I'm the first to admit this is highly subjective, so as I said above, YMMV.
 
I think they must just be trolling.

Nah mate, I am a PS4 player that already did things 99% of the CMDR's on all platforms failed or didn't care to do when the last major update came out. Everything I read on galnet for the past years is brilliant. I don't accept the narrative of expanse S5, call me a troll though?
 
I've lost interest in The Expanse after this last season - the writing and the pacing were agonizing to me after awhile. I swear, if I had to watch Naomi gasp for air for one more minute (they spent three episodes focusing on this), I was going to lose it. The show majored on the minors (Naomi gasping for air) and minored on the majors (the amazing but under-serviced story of Marco's rebellion), giving us a finale that I found really disappointing and "rushed". I also found all the "side-quest" stories to be unfulfilling this season. It just felt like a slog to me. YMMV.

My favorite season was I think season 3 - the season that ends with the opening of the ring. The pacing, character development, and general storytelling of that season really nailed it for me personally. I went into this season thinking it might be my new favorite season, because the attack on earth using stealthed asteroids was epic, but then it derailed, at least IMO. I still love the visual effects and the characters (sadly Alex was a favorite, and now he's gone), but the show has lost it's appeal. I'm the first to admit this is highly subjective, so as I said above, YMMV.

Yeah, i think they overdid the Naomi gasping thing. But overall enjoyed the season. Looking at the books, hoping next season is better. There's a bit more meat for them to play with there.

Not to mention the mid-credit scene of the last episode gives some hope for what is coming.
 
I still think Filip will have his heel-face turn later.

Holden is a Lawful Good Paladin, so he is the natural opposite of Marco's Chaotic Evil.

The Laconians are Lawful Evil. Who is the best counter to them?
 
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