The Formidine Rift - Part 2

[Warmaster Will]

I guess this means I gotta become friends with Sirrus Scumbag Security.
I'd think they would be one seeing how Sirrus Security pops up everywhere like herpes

 

[Vihear]

I don't think there is anything in the phrase "Right on, commander". As others have said, it's just a nod to the old Elite game.

I have been looking at the holofac message text again. Repost:

"The video played.
"If you're listening to this it means your smart enough to have bypassed Galcop, Federation, and Imperial security." The woman on the video smiled. "Not bad, but it's nothing compared to what's coming. I'm guess you'll be pressed for time so I'll be quick. You'll find the co-ordinates at the end of this message. You'll need a tough ship and a good pilot. It's a long way, so make sure you're prepped, no one will be around to help you out. Once you reach the rift you're going to have to plot a way across. There are no stars for dozens of light years and the dark systems haven't been mapped, so take your time, watch your six." The woman leaned in closer to the recording device. "What's there? Wish I could tell you, but they edited my memory pretty good, took me long enough to stitch this lot back together. Whatever it is, it's something that Galcop, the Imps and the Feds don't want us to see. Good luck, and ... right on, Commander." The holofac faded, leaving them with just the text."

What about if the actual message ends with "watch your six", not "right on, Commander"? To me it seems everything after "six" is a comment on the message itself. That last part doesn't add anything new, nothing on the rift or what is there, just the comment that the actual info was hard to remember after her memory had been edited.

 

[Dommarraa]

Hi Guys


Speculation (my best guess) This is where I got stuck for leads until I read on this thread the Seven veils theory and a new idea popped out at me. Acquisition of seven permits (veil being a permit) to get the final 7th Bovomit permit. The clues too in which systems the permits could be acquired could be the systems Kahina visits. Surely she would have to collect the same permits to unlock the 7th Bovomit region. This also fits with the "who goes looking" clue Drew gave us as the person with the permits is the "right person" It also fits the other pre conditions 1 & 2.

CMDR Sgt.Barnes

Lets temporarily ignore the fact that you dont need to go near the Rift to get to Bovomit from the Bubble. I have NEARLY all the Permits (that are known to be acheivable) (I think I am only missing 2), including the one that has been revoked. Which Permits do you think should be necessary ?

 

[Edelgard von Rhein]

I like the idea of needing permits to get another permit, similar to the Falken's Maze problem.
The only permit I'm missing that I'm aware is individually obtainable (CQC aside, which wasn't in the original release) is Facece, which I hope to rectify after Distant Worlds. Maybe I should visit all the stations in permit-locked systems (I would have visited at least one on one occasion after getting the permits, except for Isinor which is empty, but I might not have checked the BB on each) looking for clues or unusual bulletin-board missions. In order to be granted another permit, there would be a need for another mission to be completed, so perhaps something appears in the right place if you have the right combination of permits. Otherwise, it might just be that someone with the right combination of permits doesn't get the 'unable to hyperspace to system' message that you ordinarily get when trying to jump into a system with a permit lock (N.B. regional permit systems do not show as permit-locked on the left hand nav. panel, you just get the message when trying to start a jump to there). Retracing Salome's steps through Sol and Achenar might give me a clue as to which stations are of interest there (e.g. I'm not sure the station in Titan orbit would be of interest if she didn't go there herself, though I might check anyway for completeness).

 

[CMDR Heisenberg B. Damned]

1. It is there to be found in game in ED.
2. You do not need 'Horizons' to find it as it was finalised long before 'Horizons'.
3. Whether it is found or not depends entirely on who goes looking.

I've only been looking at this for a few days but that last one caught my attention as soon as I saw it. What is he suggesting...

That they're hand picking who can and can't find it?
- I seriously doubt that.
That the jump range would limit someone?
- Possible but not really "depends entirely on who" unless they mean you need enough credits to buy a max range ship.

So other than available credits it has to be some quality that can be attributed to the commander. No need for planetary landings so we can rule out the need for jumponium or the upcoming engineers.

Powerpaly? - possible.
Minor faction support of some kind? - possible
Permits? - very possible.
Triple Elite rating? - very possible (or even 4 now we have CQC, or just Elite at any level)
Bounty status? - unlikely but who knows.

Can anyone think of commander specific values that are obtained in game that would affect the

"Depends entirely on who goes looking"

Statement?

If it were Raxxla then that was Elite pilots only wasn't it?

 

[Sgt.Barnes]

Lets temporarily ignore the fact that you dont need to go near the Rift to get to Bovomit from the Bubble. I have NEARLY all the Permits (that are known to be acheivable) (I think I am only missing 2), including the one that has been revoked. Which Permits do you think should be necessary ?

Yes you can circumnavigate it but its by far the fastest and most direct route. As for the permits I have no idea. Its just a hypothesis. I have quite a lot myself but not the right ones to unlock the bovomit permit. "Which permits ?" was one of the new big questions the theory raises. It also tables the question if there are any hidden unpublicised permits to be discovered on top of the normal ones. I was kind of hoping one of you may have seen an unusual permit on your travels or perhaps its got something to do with becoming allied to the Dark Wheel in founders world and doing the attached missions ?

 

[Sgt.Barnes]

I've only been looking at this for a few days but that last one caught my attention as soon as I saw it. What is he suggesting...

That they're hand picking who can and can't find it?
- I seriously doubt that.
That the jump range would limit someone?
- Possible but not really "depends entirely on who" unless they mean you need enough credits to buy a max range ship.

So other than available credits it has to be some quality that can be attributed to the commander. No need for planetary landings so we can rule out the need for jumponium or the upcoming engineers.

Powerpaly? - possible.
Minor faction support of some kind? - possible
Permits? - very possible.
Triple Elite rating? - very possible (or even 4 now we have CQC, or just Elite at any level)
Bounty status? - unlikely but who knows.

Can anyone think of commander specific values that are obtained in game that would affect the

"Depends entirely on who goes looking"

Statement?

If it were Raxxla then that was Elite pilots only wasn't it?

Drew has specifically said it's not a ranking issue and you dont need anything with a crazy jump range to get there. Once your in though who knows ? the density inside bovomit looks sparse at best but an asp or conda should do the trick without jumponium due to it being achievable at/after beta. Bounty as you say is unlikely but rule nothing out. Powerplay was not in game when this was added, so that just leaves permits and minor faction support which could again feed back into permit locks.

"If it were Raxxla then that was Elite pilots only wasn't it?"

Maybe thats why you need to be well armed and a good fighter ?

 

[Edelgard von Rhein]

Yes you can circumnavigate it but its by far the fastest and most direct route. As for the permits I have no idea. Its just a hypothesis. I have quite a lot myself but not the right ones to unlock the bovomit permit. "Which permits ?" was one of the new big questions the theory raises. It also tables the question if there are any hidden unpublicised permits to be discovered on top of the normal ones. I was kind of hoping one of you may have seen an unusual permit on your travels or perhaps its got something to do with becoming allied to the Dark Wheel in founders world and doing the attached missions ?

The 'normal' permits were themselves unpublicised to begin with, so the current crowd-sourced list is probably a good indicator. It also lists permits that have been seen but for which no means of acquisition has yet been identified. The Milky Way is certainly big enough for there to be more individual systems or even entire regions locked away that have not yet been reported, so I wouldn't consider the list complete but for the bubble it might be.
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The Dark Wheel faction is based in Founders World, accessible only to Founder-level backers and those who have attained an Elite ranking. I think Drew has said that rank isn't necessary to find it, so I would think that being Elite, becoming allied with the Dark Wheel faction and doing missions for them would not be strictly necessary. These days, I think the Dark Wheel has a presence outside of Shinrarta Dezhra, so even if it had been necessary to be Elite in the past I don't think it would be now. I think system permits usually need to be acquired from a faction within 15LY but I don't know if any special exemptions have been made and no one has ever acquired a regional permit, so anything goes in that respect (if they are even attainable).

 

[Dommarraa]

Yes you can circumnavigate it but its by far the fastest and most direct route. As for the permits I have no idea. Its just a hypothesis. I have quite a lot myself but not the right ones to unlock the bovomit permit. "Which permits ?" was one of the new big questions the theory raises. It also tables the question if there are any hidden unpublicised permits to be discovered on top of the normal ones. I was kind of hoping one of you may have seen an unusual permit on your travels or perhaps its got something to do with becoming allied to the Dark Wheel in founders world and doing the attached missions ?

Bovomit is over 18 degrees off the RR Line. If you consider yourself going through the Rift to get there, then the Rift must take up at least 35 degrees of the sky and be considerably bigger than what it currently beleived. Hardly an little know region of space.

 

[Warmaster Will]

Ah hell what if it was is like how SWG originally awarded Jedi.
You have to get the right permits in the right order and that order is randomised each time.

 

[Arjin]

I've only been looking at this for a few days but that last one caught my attention as soon as I saw it. What is he suggesting...

That they're hand picking who can and can't find it?
- I seriously doubt that.
That the jump range would limit someone?
- Possible but not really "depends entirely on who" unless they mean you need enough credits to buy a max range ship.

So other than available credits it has to be some quality that can be attributed to the commander. No need for planetary landings so we can rule out the need for jumponium or the upcoming engineers.

Powerpaly? - possible.
Minor faction support of some kind? - possible
Permits? - very possible.
Triple Elite rating? - very possible (or even 4 now we have CQC, or just Elite at any level)
Bounty status? - unlikely but who knows.

Can anyone think of commander specific values that are obtained in game that would affect the

"Depends entirely on who goes looking"

Statement?

If it were Raxxla then that was Elite pilots only wasn't it?

You are looking at it too literally, Based on this comment. "It's not locked to a rank. All you need is wanderlust, patience and an ability to read between the lines".

The person looking simply means, patience, due diligence, willingness to stay out there and keep looking. And the ability to read between the lines of the cleverly ambiguous clues which can also include some slight misdirection. Logic and relevant facts are all that is needed to brain this out.

 

[Sgt.Barnes]

Bovomit is over 18 degrees off the RR Line. If you consider yourself going through the Rift to get there, then the Rift must take up at least 35 degrees of the sky and be considerably bigger than what it currently beleived. Hardly an little know region of space.

Is that 18 degrees from the start point/bubble or from the edge of the rift ? Looking at the maps again The rift is magnitudes wider than Bovomit with the bridges/crossings flanking sitting wider ?

 

[Erimus Kamzel]

Yes you can circumnavigate it but its by far the fastest and most direct route. As for the permits I have no idea. Its just a hypothesis. I have quite a lot myself but not the right ones to unlock the bovomit permit. "Which permits ?" was one of the new big questions the theory raises. It also tables the question if there are any hidden unpublicised permits to be discovered on top of the normal ones. I was kind of hoping one of you may have seen an unusual permit on your travels or perhaps its got something to do with becoming allied to the Dark Wheel in founders world and doing the attached missions ?

I like that idea of unlocking regional permits by gaining local ones.

We have a regional permit section on our CMDR status panel, so I'm sure if someone has collected all the 'bubble' permits, then Bovomit (or other locked region permits) would have popped up on there by now and players would have been keen to mention it.

I actually think the permit only regions around the galaxy will be paid for content, and the only way to gain access and have the permit pop up on that panel will be to buy whatever content upgrade FD has planned for those regions... cynical I know, but its just what I speculate will happen. Thargoids won't be free Well, maybe deep space encounters with them will be, but a visit to their home systems? I'm not so sure.

Anyway...

I think I only need 3 or 4 more bubble permits for the full set so I'll work on getting the last of them after Distant Worlds.. will report here if the fabled Region Permit tab does indeed get populated with Bovomit, Regor, Bleia access etc

 

[Arjin]

I like that idea of unlocking regional permits by gaining local ones.

We have a regional permit section on our CMDR status panel, so I'm sure if someone has collected all the 'bubble' permits, then Bovomit (or other locked region permits) would have popped up on there by now and players would have been keen to mention it.

http://i66.tinypic.com/16k7vom.jpg

I actually think the permit only regions around the galaxy will be paid for content, and the only way to gain access and have the permit pop up on that panel will be to buy whatever content upgrade FD has planned for those regions... cynical I know, but its just what I speculate will happen. Thargoids won't be free Well, maybe deep space encounters with them will be, but a visit to their home systems? I'm not so sure.

Anyway...

I think I only need 3 or 4 more bubble permits for the full set so I'll work on getting the last of them after Distant Worlds.. will report here if the fabled Region Permit tab does indeed get populated with Bovomit, Regor, Bleia access etc

Yep I completely agree, I think the Bovomit sector is just a future content placeholder and has nothing to do with the Rift mystery....yet.

 

[lorrad]

Hmm, are there any other references at all to the tiara, or was that the only one? I find it quite curious that a tiara can be directly related to the constellation Cassiopeia which contains the star Rho Cassiopeia, which can be found in the rift. Are any of the other stars of the constellation Cassiopeia found within the rift?

Further to this, some of the stars of Cassiopeia can be found within the bubble. Maybe local Galnet there might contain some clues.

I'm about half way to the rift. I think the following need further investigation:

• Alpha Cassiopeiae i.e Schedar - just outside the bubble
• Beta Cassiopeiae i.e Caph - inside the bubble and has port/stations
• Delta Cassiopeiae i.e Ruchbah - inside the bubble and has ports/stations. One port called Elder city...
• Gama Cassiopeiae - Couldn't find in game
• Rho Cassiopeiae - In the rift. Explore if possible. Very far below the galactic plane.

Stars of Cassiopeia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stars_in_Cassiopeia

even Eclipsing Binary Pulsars.

Rho Cass tourism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_6jB3V6_zA

Posted on Dec 13,,, I suppose some one could ask how he got there?

[re-edit]

Crap he's not at rho cass but 264 lyrs away from it in Hypheeg DP-Z D0.

 

[CMDR Heisenberg B. Damned]

You are looking at it too literally, Based on this comment. "It's not locked to a rank. All you need is wanderlust, patience and an ability to read between the lines".

The person looking simply means, patience, due diligence, willingness to stay out there and keep looking. And the ability to read between the lines of the cleverly ambiguous clues which can also include some slight misdirection. Logic and relevant facts are all that is needed to brain this out.

Well I know these things are open to interpretation but "depends entirely" seems quite a strong statement to make. That's all.

 

[Belthize]

Man could you imagine if the final area was a 'paid' expansion. There's not enough hardware stores in the world to provide all the pitchforks.

It may be worthwhile to bear in mind *when* Drew was writing this, when he got the first ideas and when he finished. There are certain things that can't be involved because they didn't exist yet or hadn't even really been suggested yet, in addition it was early enough that FD had ample time to hard code a system or do something to a system. That doesn't necessarily point in a specific direction but I think it does rule out some theories.

Last night when I entered a system with what I thought was a reasonable chance of being "The One" I half expected to see the radar light up with blips. I'd already pre-planned how I was going to turn to put the sun at my back and reminded myself all my HOTAS mappings dedicated to a quick stealthy elusive get away in case everything went all pear shaped and jumped in.

It was a bit of a let down that after honking the 4000dB Discovery Horn that there was just the standard set of planets which I'm still in the process of scanning.

 

[Arjin]

Well I know these things are open to interpretation but "depends entirely" seems quite a strong statement to make. That's all.

Yep agreed on the open to interpretation, I just believe that the "depends entirely" means exactly that, does that person have the patience to stick it out, while trying to decipher the clues. Similar to, Will dinner be good tonight? Depends entirely on who's cooking it.. Sorry lame I know, but it gets the point across.

 

[Fluffy Whiskers]

Wow! This thread is growing quickly

This may have been suggested already, but I don't know, as I didn't read the whole thread. Apologies if it has, but I was wondering that the phrase "Watch your six" was actually not referring to us needing to watch our backs while searching, but perhaps something else... Maybe we need to look near the 6th planet in the right system, or something like that.

Running out of tinfoil quickly

 

[Sgt.Barnes]

I actually think the permit only regions around the galaxy will be paid for content, and the only way to gain access and have the permit pop up on that panel will be to buy whatever content upgrade FD has planned for those regions... cynical I know, but its just what I speculate will happen. Thargoids won't be free Well, maybe deep space encounters with them will be, but a visit to their home systems? I'm not so sure.

Anyway...

I think I only need 3 or 4 more bubble permits for the full set so I'll work on getting the last of them after Distant Worlds.. will report here if the fabled Region Permit tab does indeed get populated with Bovomit, Regor, Bleia access etc

Hi Erimus
Thanks for the feedback. It would be nice to see if it does appear once you have them all for sure but If it doesn't, I dont think its a bad thing either as it still gives us it all to play for in the Rift area and we can scrub the Bovomit off the list once and for all narrowing the search area. Hurry back