The Formidine Rift - Part 2

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When I was out in the rift navigating hard (nearly got stuck after using up half my Jumponium to get to a remote A) I noticed that there is a whole layer of brown dwarf systems below the galactic plane..

I dropped into a few to see what was what but I was on my way out at that point with 32% hull so did not investigate further.
I wonder if this is related to the dark systems, I also tried going down as far as I could to the bottom of the rift but found nothing unexpected but only for a handful of many hundreds if not thousands of systems.
 
hi TQS,

its hard to refute your idea TBH, as with most ideas on here the cheif issue as I see it - you could be right but statistically looking for the needle in a slightly smaller haystack is still hard going!

Not to have a go you understand - but rather as i see it to say - yeah it may be those that are considered 'dark systems'

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I think a back to the drawing board approach of examining galnet clues and main clue from Drews book should be a priority - as Drew himself saiid this would be sufficient
 
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Agreed GiantCorn. I will go back at some point but after traversing all the way around the 'rim' of the rift and then dipping my toes in a fair bit I had to come back to the bubble as I felt we were missing something. I am now at Prism pondering my next move.
 
well Im just currently dipping my toes into the rift now actually!

There's something bugging me about Drews hint:

"...an ability to read between the lines"

and the holofac message from the book

"Good luck, and ... right on, Commander."

what is the IMPLIED meaning behind this phrase? Or should we approach more of the message or galnet articles? between the lines.....
All of it or just the part after the ellipsis?
RR line?

off topic but possibly of interest - i recently found a few systems with ammonia worlds in the rift. They all contained life. i checked the dark sides - no lights ;-(
i wonder if these could be some kind of signposts? or old Thargoid worlds now cleansed-bare
 
When I was out in the rift navigating hard (nearly got stuck after using up half my Jumponium to get to a remote A) I noticed that there is a whole layer of brown dwarf systems below the galactic plane..

I dropped into a few to see what was what but I was on my way out at that point with 32% hull so did not investigate further.
I wonder if this is related to the dark systems, I also tried going down as far as I could to the bottom of the rift but found nothing unexpected but only for a handful of many hundreds if not thousands of systems.
The planes of dwarf stars below and above the galactic plane are a feature of the galaxy, so it's not just limited to that area. From my experience, they show up in most areas of the galaxy outside the core. As far as I know, these planes' existence is based on a real phenomenon, but I am not an astrophysicist.
 
If ., .. ......, . ... = 1, 26, 13

Could 'Right On, Commander' be seen as: ..... .., ......... = 52, 9?

It would make the decoding a bit simpler. :)
 
maybe right on cmdr means just that.. its the classic elite phrase, seems odd to hide a mystery behind it.

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Also I went to every RO-C system I could reach and found nothing!
 
Thank you for that clarification. During my first exploration, I have seen systems with planets orbiting a black hole completely plunged into darkness, even on galmap. I thought it could be this.
If They are not showing up on the galactic map, are they reachable? Someone has already seen this kind of systems?
No. Never seen. They were part of the original design brief for exploration (called DDF), where only previously know systems could be jumped to without sending out probes to gather the jump coordinates. However, the game was developed quite differently. They may still exist as a thing, but as you have noticed, we have no way of seeing them.
 
well Im just currently dipping my toes into the rift now actually!

There's something bugging me about Drews hint:

"...an ability to read between the lines"

and the holofac message from the book

"Good luck, and ... right on, Commander."

what is the IMPLIED meaning behind this phrase? Or should we approach more of the message or galnet articles? between the lines.....
All of it or just the part after the ellipsis?
RR line?

off topic but possibly of interest - i recently found a few systems with ammonia worlds in the rift. They all contained life. i checked the dark sides - no lights ;-(
i wonder if these could be some kind of signposts? or old Thargoid worlds now cleansed-bare

That's exactly my line of thinking at the moment. I'm out in the rift too, I find the solitude focuses my mind. The "ability to read between the lines" bit has been eating at me the last day or so.

What I'm currently pondering is whether Drew has created an OOC puzzle for the humans playing the game or an in character puzzle for the characters playing the tame. For instance the *text* of video is just an artifact of how it's rendered in a book. To the character it's video and there's no text. It's a message to be sure but not text. It's clearly a video because it says 'The woman on the video smiled' so what the heck does the "The holofac faded, leaving them with just the text." actually mean. To the character there's no text. To the player it's the text in the book. Taking that one step further if it's a formatting trick is the information destroyed if it's posted on a forum or read on a kindle at a certain font size so the formatting changes ?

Was the reference to 'text' a mistake on his part ? Are we missing part of the message ? Am I missing something and managed to confuse myself with hints here vs hints in the book ? (I'm actually re-reading the book now to see if I missed something, Kahina as just lifted off the fantics desert world). Is 'ability to read between the lines' just a common usage for 'ability to discover clues' and not actually a clue ? If it's a clue does it refer to Galnet articles (this seems most likely sort of) ? Will Marie ever find love, will John ever discover his real father, will Angie give up her baby for adoption, oh wait, wrong channel. Click.
 
Again, whilst I cannot say with 100% certainty that there is nothing hidden or implied with the "Right on Commander", it is unlikely. It is a well known message that used to pop up after X number of kills in the original Elite. As such it is often used by folks who used to play the original game.

Like in the UA threads, I fear there is a lot of wasted effort being put into some very obtuse and obscure theories. It is likely much more simple (on paper).


We have been given simple instructions on how to identify the rift: Take a line from R to R and keep going till the edge of the arm and you run out of stars.

What ever is to find is on the far side on the rift.

The rest of the gal net articles probably hide clues as to either a more specific area, or thing 'we' are looking for (I'd love to head back out but am tied up a a lot of BGS stuff right now).

Be looking at where Kahina went and what she did, it might point at a place or type of object. This I suspect will be the hard part and will need careful reading.


But the point it I very much doubt there are any hidden codes in anything Drew has said. Maybe things Kahina said, or the old ELite Woman said, but not Drew himself... and not the phase Right on Commander*








*I reserve the right to look like a right prat if there is something hidden in "Right on Commander" that unlocks the whole mystery.
 
We have been given simple instructions on how to identify the rift: Take a line from R to R and keep going till the edge of the arm and you run out of stars.

What ever is to find is on the far side on the rift.

That could also mean the near side of the rift since you run out of stars as you enter it. That's where I am now, the bublble side of the rift where the jump ranges get too high.

Edit: I'm amazed that I've managed to confuse myself. I've read/re-read theories and ideas so much that's become jumbled and I lost track of a very simply point (you'll have to plot a way across) which is obvious but somewhere along the line I discounted it as player speculation rather than hard clue and decided the location was on the near side of where the stars run out.

*I reserve the right to look like a right prat if there is something hidden in "Right on Commander" that unlocks the whole mystery.

Noted :) It could be that humans have forgotten *why* they say Right on, commander, and the key to the mystery has been hiding in plain sight. But I agree it's a bit thin and requires a specific line of thinking on Drew's part when he created this.
 
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"Good luck, and ... right on, Commander."
what is the IMPLIED meaning behind this phrase?

It could be a reiteration of the instruction to go straight ahead ("right on") along the R-R line. Which would make it kind of useless as a hint because we already knew that.
 
I like Sgt Barnes suggestion lets flood the area with coordinated search teams.
I have another week of stuff to do in the bubble...then I make my first Walkabout to the Rift.
AspX with a 25-31 jump range loaded-unloaded

My spreadheet (in sig) now has "instructions" on how to join in a coordinated hunt.
So far, lots of people are interested, but seem to carry one wandering around semi-aimlessly
 
My spreadheet (in sig) now has "instructions" on how to join in a coordinated hunt.
So far, lots of people are interested, but seem to carry one wandering around semi-aimlessly

I'd like to think of my wandering to date as 'wandering in a focused but ultimately fruitless way' :). I had some suspicions about clues pointing to specific systems since a brute force search even with 100 commanders is going to take a while. Clearly though my method is only valid if it generates immediate results which it hasn't and I've exhausted the likely candidates so it's either grasp at straws time or focused search.

So for me I'll happily join an organized search with the occasional forays into straw grasping land if something presents itself.

And thanks for all the work you've done on that page (check his sig if you haven't seen it). It's a wonderful compendium of information that I've had book marked for a bit.

Edit: NVM, my comment on sectors involve ones on the wrong side.
 
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Just gonna chime in with my 0.02cr:
From what I can tell we have a huge number of fairly plausible leads right now; star classification corresponding to the colour of the 7th gate, encrypted Galnet messages yet unfound, Salome's jaunt with DW, etc. I think the concentration of data that this thread has done is a good start, but I can't stop thinking about how Drew said that all the info needed to find whatever it is we are looking for is IN GAME. This I think is key. We need to look at all of the clues which are found in the game itself and how they interrelate, and try to find links between them.

Also, someone (sorry, not really paying much attention to names) said recently in this thread that the final piece of clothing which Ishtar removed was her crown. What I think we need to do is look at what she did AFTER this, as her E: D counterpart has already done this. So if she then reclaimed her lover, then whatever Kahina/Salome does next/now (not sure how long ago she ditched the Seven Veils) may well be symbolically linked to that. What was Ishtar's lover's name? (I checked this. It's Tammuz) Can we link that to a star system? What does it have to do with Distant worlds? WHY is Salome with DW? (this is an important question I think. If there is something out there which will help then we need to know)

Also, someone else posted about how perhaps there is a certain path which you can follow very easily (as in there is no easy alternative) if your jump range is ~24ly. While the source of this range is of course outside the game I still think this is an interesting idea. I do think though that for now we need to concentrate on the in-game clues, as these are the ones which are more specifically designed in the context of E: D.

Also, if the first batch of upgrades that Kahina got in Avalon were fake, then what was the REAL reason that she went there?? I know you guys have retraced/are in the process of retracing her journey around Sol, but I think this lead is just as if not more important to solve, even if it is a dead end (though I doubt it). Also, this technically counts as "reading between the lines" as it doesn't explicitly mention her doing anything else in Avalon other than receiving the fake upgrades, so assuming she did something else there fits with Drew's clue (even if his clues are external to the game, and we are most likely reading WAY too far into them).

Aaaand, also (I know, fourth paragraph starting with also, even I'm getting sick of this, but I've read the entire old thread and all of this one very recently so I need to get as many of the connections I made out of my head as I can, as soon as I can), I think for the people expending loads of effort grinding into a brick wall trying to decode the coordinates in the "Good luck, and ... right on, Commander" quote, I think your time would be more productively spent tinfoiling away at any Galnet posts with even slightest shred of relevance as we have it CONFIRMED that there is more to be found in Galnet, whereas there is no guarantee of any deeper meaning behind that specific passage of Reclamation (unless Drew said something to that effect and I totally missed it XD).

Anyway, I think that is just about everything I can think of right now, will edit this post with anything else I think of later. I may join you chaps in your hands-on search if I can rustle up the courage... and the few hundred million credits required for an exploraconda.

However for now I am happy to cruise around the bubble to check any urgent leads that need investigating if no-one else wants to/can at the time (I'm in a FDL so moving about even the small distances within the bubble is a PITA). Until I can venture forth into the great darkness with you all, I shall provide moral support from the back, and work towards fully arming myself in the event that one of you actually finds something which takes exception to your poking and prodding around in its backyard, and decides to come glass ours.

If you make it home I'll have cookies ready for you, so fly safe out there.

In anticipation of enlightenment,
CMDR Oorslavich
 
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My spreadheet (in sig) now has "instructions" on how to join in a coordinated hunt.
So far, lots of people are interested, but seem to carry one wandering around semi-aimlessly
We could start a new thread that could help where the post list areas to be searched and posters answer with what secotor they will look in.
 
thnx for your thoughts belthize,

Yeah thats one of the hurdles for me - in game or meta-game? and if meta-game do I need to be a computer expert to join in? like the UA thing I could have NEVER have even begun to figure out as i know nothing about coputer code ASCII or whatever it was. Why would an alien ship even use that to draw a line diagram? Dont thargoids have compound eyes anyway?

See meta-game! arrrrgghghhh

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yeah you are probably right tbh. Its just for me RR line is directional, so there must be something to point to the specific. and that part in the book hints at coordinates that then never appear - which is either just a dramatic effect for writing purposes or a clue.

but i think youre right that looking at galnet articles and figuring out what was implied in those articles is the smartest approach to the next clue
 
Edit: Dommarraa, the sector search tab on your spread sheet seems incomplete (though I'm at work and going by memory for instance some of Hypiae and Hypoae extend into the rift on the near side don'/t they). Does that represent the *likely* sectors but not all or is it just a partial list or am I missing something.

Oh god yes, its massively incomplete. I have not yet been out there to fly the RR Line and record them all. The only ones there are just the ones I got from plotting the RR Waypoints
I suspect there will be hundreds of Sub Sectors to search, just on the line, let alone near the line or other places people think are better

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We could start a new thread that could help where the post list areas to be searched and posters answer with what secotor they will look in.
You can do that in the spreadsheet.
 
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