The Formidine Rift - Part 2

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Sorry but am i missing something ??? If DWE found a route though the rift, which is in the opposite direction then we are being fed
contradictory information ???? And if that is flawed then nothing can be taken as fact, The Erimus map (Front page of the thread BTW)
covers an area that CANNOT be covered in any sensible way, without a grid reference clue then all we are doing is waiting on blind luck ?
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Or i am not in the mood for this kind of mind bending and should get on and some some actual RL work :)

There are ways to explain what Salomé said on Galnet. Personally I believe this to be a reference to a route plotted from Beagle Point to the Formidine Rift that bypasses a return through Sagittarius A* or the Core Worlds.

Waiting now for Drew to clarify.
 
Considering they went in the opposite direction do you reckon the FR being included is a Galnet reporter's mistake or have we been looking at the wrong end of the line?
We have not been looking at the wrong end. Drew has reconfirmed that Erimus's Map is "broadly correct"
GalNet just doing its usual incompetent attempt to get people interested but actually just leading to confusion.
 
I just want to point out that the constellation opposed to cassiopeia/RR line is the Crux, which has the nice property of being the smallest one.

The crux has some interesting objects : the coalsack, and the jewel box cluster. I wonder if those would count as discarded items in the 7 veils.

In any case, my ship might have a fatal accident with a neutron star XD
If you want to get back in a hurry do you you have an SRV ?? Never tested this but if you "Ahem" have an accident in your SRV and choose the free sidewinder option, you are back in the bubble with Scan Data intact !! That of course depends on what ship you are in ! A conda is a lot to loose for a few hours jumping home o7
 
Hm, I see. So we are indeed looking in the right area and there is not need of turning back.
Good to know, that removes some questions and creates others. As in how do we narrow down
the search allong the line.
 
We have not been looking at the wrong end. Drew has reconfirmed that Erimus's Map is "broadly correct"
GalNet just doing its usual incompetent attempt to get people interested but actually just leading to confusion.
I seemed to miss a few pages there! Sorry but also phew - many thanks to Drew for clarifying that would have been a helluva diversion. Hope this is as exciting for him... must be a terrible itch too
 
Hi Folks, I have a moment to comment so will jump in here.

I did pen that Galnet article, but on rereading I can see how the confusion has arisen, please accept my apologies for that.

Here's what you were supposed to infer. :)

Salomé has indeed been part of the DW expedition and has followed them to Beagle point in order to look for 'something'.

The exploration data from the DW expedition has charted a route to Beagle point and thus we now in combination with other exploration activities undertaken in the last two years by players have many interesting routes out of the core worlds charted in various directions. These include the Rift, The Norma Expanse, the Core and many other areas.

The astrocartographer's comments were there to indicate that insufficient exploration has yet been undertaken in all these areas.

Thus, A few pointers for clarity:

Erimus' position for the Formidine Rift is broadly correct as per the map on this thread, so you are in the right area.
The DW expedition has not been associated with the Rift itself as part of their journey to Beagle point. (They are in tangential directions as per the map)
More will follow. :)

I will review future submissions in more detail to try to ensure less ambiguity - it's pretty tough to be specific without revealing too much, but I will do my utmost best to ensure you don't head down an unintentional line of enquiry. I am monitoring progress as closely as I can.

All the best,

Drew.
 
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I must admit I pretty much agree with this. I much prefer the solo explorer approach to trying to solve mysteries. Sharing info on forums and discussing ideas/theories, great. Linking up from time to time with a few folks, fine. Turning it into a huge grindfest of filling spreadsheets, with hundreds of other pilots around, and certain groups or individuals calling the shots with their own private websites and the like, not so great IMO. The latter also flies in the face of the original ethos of Elite, which is you, one pilot, in your cockpit, taking on the universe and struggling to survive. Of course ED trashed that ethos long ago with no offline mode and the focus on quasi-MMO player guilds-that-aren't-guilds as minor factions, and relying on them to drive storylines and story decisions, if not create storylines and gameplay, so that they don't have to bother providing engaging storylines regularly as part of the game, and can get away with stringing folks along with no real story content /new developments between updates. Doesn't do much for me I must admit, I will likely continue to do my own thing while following along here more out of interest and curiosity then anything else.

Edit: And just to make Domara happy, I'll likely go in the opposite direction of any major expedition.

Dude ! Searching in the wrong place would NOT make me happy, I am just trying to facilitate an organised search. I am certainly not try to call any shots, I put forward ideas for coordinating a search so people were not just searching places other people had already been. After some discussions, I put up the sheet and the plan for people to participate in or not as they wish. Anyone who wants to wander around following their noses is perfectly welcome to do so, after all the UA/Barnicle malarky I am fully aware that IT is MORE likely to be found by a random XBoxer who has never heard of the Rift wandering around taking selfies than any community search.
The only objection I have to your post is "huge grindfest of filling spreadsheets". You only have to enter sheet 2 cells for every 10-50 full system scans (which will take HOURS of game time). I dont think anyone could consider that a grindfest.

Fly Safe, and I hope you find it first
 
Hi Folks, I have a moment to comment so will jump in here.

I did pen that Galnet article, but on rereading I can see how the confusion has arisen, please accept my apologies for that.

Here's what you were supposed to infer. :)

..........

All the best,

Drew.

Thank you very much for the clarification! Not to mention the patience to not spill the beans!

Now the mystery is "what" was that Salome was looking for and what is it that she found!
 
So it certainly looks like things are getting more interesting. But there is one assumption made on the thread just after the live stream YouTube video was linked to, and that is the instructions Salome' gave to Ed. She told him to safeguard his exploration data and to be careful who he sells it to. And as far as he (or we) know, it's just regular data that happens to be very important. But I think she added some of her own exploration data to his ship's computer, probably while everyone was distracted by the Children of Raxxla's dramatic landing.

Now of course there is no in-game mechanic for something like that, but Ed was told beforehand that something was going to happen then that follows the lore. And I think that whatever happens to Ed on his return trip to the Bubble, and who he sells his data to, will directly effect the story in the near future. Presumably Salome' still has her original survey data as a backup, but there is also no guarantee hers will be returned to inhabited space without incident.

So, what can we do about it? I suppose we can just wait and see what happens, but I think there are things we can do to help Ed make it back safely. If nothing else, we can try to figure out who the data should be sold to (but of course, that's Ed's decision in the end.)
 
Hi Folks, I have a moment to comment so will jump in here.

.......................

Thus, A few pointers for clarity:

Erimus' position for the Formidine Rift is broadly correct as per the map on this thread, so you are in the right area.
The DW expedition has not been associated with the Rift itself as part of their journey to Beagle point. (They are in tangential directions as per the map)
More will follow. :)

.....................

All the best,

Drew.
I marked in bold a comment that I find important. I have had the thought over the past weeks that the RR line just points to the general direction of the rift, but by no means should it be taking completely literal. The "broadly correct" statement makes me believe in this more. Take into account that the Rift expands further to the east as well!

So, it goes from the bridge to past the line Sol-H&S. We have a lot of theories that involve the H&S nebula, and I can't stop seeing it as a huge gate all the time from my position. I'm heading towards that area but behind the rift, although again, wrap this around tons of tin foil...
 
I don't think she implied Ed's data was specifically important at all, and considering he just jump/scan/scrammed through most of the trip that'd be unfair on the rest of DW. I think she meant all their data in general it was just easiest in the safe live stream group not general DW to less of the public and I doubt it'll be genuinely good/bad just determine the flavour/direction of the story hints we get.
 
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I marked in bold a comment that I find important. I have had the thought over the past weeks that the RR line just points to the general direction of the rift, but by no means should it be taking completely literal. The "broadly correct" statement makes me believe in this more. Take into account that the Rift expands further to the east as well!

So, it goes from the bridge to past the line Sol-H&S. We have a lot of theories that involve the H&S nebula, and I can't stop seeing it as a huge gate all the time from my position. I'm heading towards that area but behind the rift, although again, wrap this around tons of tin foil...

1. R-R is the Pointer

2. H&S is the Gate

3. Rho Cassiopeiae is the Beacon.

4. ???

5. ???

6. ???

7. ???

7 veils? Or a Road?
 
Dude ! Searching in the wrong place would NOT make me happy, I am just trying to facilitate an organised search. I am certainly not try to call any shots, I put forward ideas for coordinating a search so people were not just searching places other people had already been. After some discussions, I put up the sheet and the plan for people to participate in or not as they wish. Anyone who wants to wander around following their noses is perfectly welcome to do so, after all the UA/Barnicle malarky I am fully aware that IT is MORE likely to be found by a random XBoxer who has never heard of the Rift wandering around taking selfies than any community search.
The only objection I have to your post is "huge grindfest of filling spreadsheets". You only have to enter sheet 2 cells for every 10-50 full system scans (which will take HOURS of game time). I dont think anyone could consider that a grindfest.

Fly Safe, and I hope you find it first

We all know Rizal will find it first... ;-)

The grind I was referring to was full scans of every system by hundreds of people, as opposed to a more targeted, intuitive, puzzle-solving approach by individuals on their own or cooperatively in small groups, checking out leads as opposed to trying to scan everything. As you say your approach would take each person many hours, with no guarantee of any return. A different sort of grind than the standard ED grind, but still a grind.
 
We all know Rizal will find it first... ;-)

The grind I was referring to was full scans of every system by hundreds of people, as opposed to a more targeted, intuitive, puzzle-solving approach by individuals on their own or cooperatively in small groups, checking out leads as opposed to trying to scan everything. As you say your approach would take each person many hours, with no guarantee of any return. A different sort of grind than the standard ED grind, but still a grind.

Rizal is playing Arma 3, so he will not find anything.:D

I agree that finding 'it' based on a massive, organized search effort would be a bit disappointing. Figuring out the clues and finding the X that marks the spot, is much more fun.

Considering what we currently know about the game mechanics and the story, a massive search may still be our best chance for now. I have a feeling we are not supposed to find it quite yet and some necessary clues are still missing.
 
Drew Thank you :),

I just did finish this route Palleani to Shapley-1 in economic route just to be sure and going to sell it to The Dark Wheel, but that will not be important anymore

Hi Folks, I have a moment to comment so will jump in here.

I did pen that Galnet article, but on rereading I can see how the confusion has arisen, please accept my apologies for that.

Here's what you were supposed to infer. :)

Salomé has indeed been part of the DW expedition and has followed them to Beagle point in order to look for 'something'.

The exploration data from the DW expedition has charted a route to Beagle point and thus we now in combination with other exploration activities undertaken in the last two years by players have many interesting routes out of the core worlds charted in various directions. These include the Rift, The Norma Expanse, the Core and many other areas.

The astrocartographer's comments were there to indicate that insufficient exploration has yet been undertaken in all these areas.

Thus, A few pointers for clarity:

Erimus' position for the Formidine Rift is broadly correct as per the map on this thread, so you are in the right area.
The DW expedition has not been associated with the Rift itself as part of their journey to Beagle point. (They are in tangential directions as per the map)
More will follow. :)

I will review future submissions in more detail to try to ensure less ambiguity - it's pretty tough to be specific without revealing too much, but I will do my utmost best to ensure you don't head down an unintentional line of enquiry. I am monitoring progress as closely as I can.

All the best,

Drew.
 
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Ive been wondering. As you know system names have a format. Star Field {A}{A}-{A} {A}{N} [{N}]

where: {A} = Alpha character, {N} numeric, [] additional number (not always present).

Has anyone considered using the alpha and numerics to suggest where this rift is ? Is there a clue in the letters and numbers?

Kitty
 
I must admit I pretty much agree with this. I much prefer the solo explorer approach to trying to solve mysteries. Sharing info on forums and discussing ideas/theories, great. Linking up from time to time with a few folks, fine. Turning it into a huge grindfest of filling spreadsheets, with hundreds of other pilots around, and certain groups or individuals calling the shots with their own private websites and the like, not so great IMO. The latter also flies in the face of the original ethos of Elite, which is you, one pilot, in your cockpit, taking on the universe and struggling to survive. Of course ED trashed that ethos long ago with no offline mode and the focus on quasi-MMO player guilds-that-aren't-guilds as minor factions, and relying on them to drive storylines and story decisions, if not create storylines and gameplay, so that they don't have to bother providing engaging storylines regularly as part of the game, and can get away with stringing folks along with no real story content /new developments between updates. Doesn't do much for me I must admit, I will likely continue to do my own thing while following along here more out of interest and curiosity then anything else.

Edit: And just to make Domara happy, I'll likely go in the opposite direction of any major expedition.

I'm glad someone actually responded to that post! I put a lot of effort into it! I did get lots of rep's from people though so thanks for that everyone! :)

I never did have the chance to play any of the earlier games but I can sympathize with you on the changes they've made to the core of the game. While at the same time I do have my disagreements. I do like the commander driven content, I like that we're able to decide what happens in the game, it allows for me to do what I and many others are doing, by going to the Formidine Rift in search of the unknown. I don't like the fact that they have solo or private play and wish that they would just make it open play, but I can definitely see the desire by others to wish to play alone, and I think an offline mode would be acceptable, but only if they were 'separate' commanders meaning that nothing they did in offline mode would go over into open, that way people can't just go into solo or private groups to avoid players, but those who did actually wish to play a solo play could still do so.
 
Not necessarily, if the rift is a name used by a private group. By the same token, we are all presumably looking for a system that a specific group call Raxxla, but the rest of humanity probably know the system as being called Flip flop flobba bob dib dob 324234-345345 A23

Sorry, but I have to disagree. The Formadine Rift was related in old lore to the Thargoid invasion, so it would be taught in history class, navigation class, & probably every other class. It would be a widely known location & not tied to a private group. :)
 
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