The Formidine Rift - Part 2

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As for her appearance when she was younger (the message in the data banks):
“The photo was of a fifty-something woman, dressed in an old fashioned one piece traders’ outfit. She was quite petite, with a pale face framed by simply brushed brown hair, parted in the middle into two neat folds on either side of her head. There were no earrings or adornments of any kind. She looked pretty, but plain and ordinary save for a pair of deep brown eyes.”

And as an old woman in the hospital:
“It was impossible to tell how old she was. Her face was lined and wrinkled. Her arms were thin and delicately boned, her skin pale with only a few age spots. Her hair was straight, grey for the most part and almost transparent at the ends, but it held just a faint hint of the brown that must have been the natural colour from her youth. It was simply brushed into two neat folds on either side of her head. The skin on her cheek was stretched slightly, revealing a thin, almost invisible, scar that looked like a knife wound from long ago. Unlike most of the other patients Salomé had seen she wore no make-up, no jewellery or other adornment. She was dressed in a simple medical smock.”

She still reminds me of Elyssia Fields.

'She was quite small. Her skin was olive, her eyes dark. She wore her hair in a fashionable series of spikes, like a porcupine. Dressed in the light green coveralls that most traders sported, she seemed swamped by clothes.'
 
I just reenter inside Tradgoi AA-A h0 A.

Two solutions:
- This is a bug that affects only black holes with a significant mass, in this case it would be nice that someone tells us that this is not a desired game mechanic.
- It's something else to discover. (with a very big tinfoil hat)

If what happens depends on who is going it would be interesting to see if the same thing happens if someone else go there.
As mentioned by OP a specific rank is not needed so my guess is that any difference is based on standings with specific factions, question is, which factions could be relevant?
 
I was wondering...

Drew said that solving the Mystery isn't bound to Rank...

Now we have not one, but 2 (3 if we want.) types of Ranks.

The Pilots Federation Ranking. (Exploring/Combat/Trade/CQC)
The Factions Navy Ranking. (Imperial/Federation)
The Powerplay Ranking. (Even if this is called Rating.)

Now, if you want to follow Kahina/Salome' footsteps, you need both Imperial and Federation Ranks high enough to visit Achenar and Sol... And the Avalon shipyard, which I'm unaware of it's location. But at the same time, Drew stated that Rank is not necessary and yet not everyone can find the answer.

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If what happens depends on who is going it would be interesting to see if the same thing happens if someone else go there.
As mentioned by OP a specific rank is not needed so my guess is that any difference is based on standings with specific factions, question is, which factions could be relevant?

I think the answer is to be found in the GalNet about Senator Kahina Tijani Loren. It's just a suspect and, since it takes a pretty heavy choice in-game, I'm not too keen on posting it openly yet. But feel free to PM me so we can discuss about it better.

Well, many would say not that heavy... Still, better to not give idea that could be easily proven wrong...
 
I was wondering...

Drew said that solving the Mystery isn't bound to Rank...

Now we have not one, but 2 (3 if we want.) types of Ranks.

The Pilots Federation Ranking. (Exploring/Combat/Trade/CQC)
The Factions Navy Ranking. (Imperial/Federation)
The Powerplay Ranking. (Even if this is called Rating.)

Now, if you want to follow Kahina/Salome' footsteps, you need both Imperial and Federation Ranks high enough to visit Achenar and Sol... And the Avalon shipyard, which I'm unaware of it's location. But at the same time, Drew stated that Rank is not necessary and yet not everyone can find the answer.

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I think the answer is to be found in the GalNet about Senator Kahina Tijani Loren. It's just a suspect and, since it takes a pretty heavy choice in-game, I'm not too keen on posting it openly yet. But feel free to PM me so we can discuss about it better.

Well, many would say not that heavy... Still, better to not give idea that could be easily proven wrong...

Just to reiterate, it can be found by anyone at anytime, even blind luck. Hope that helps..
 
Have you guys tried 'flying' through the black hole in the heart nebula? I'm there right now. It's a high mass BH I think (2.7227 sun masses?)

I don't have the nerve to try it ;p

Anyhow. Lets get up to date on this.

It IS possible to get inside a Black Hole, and not just hit the exclusion zone.

This doesn't seem to be a bug. Certain Black holes can always be entered. Though it would SEEM that they are very rare.

This might be because you need a Hole of at least 0.0001 solar radii, and somewhere between 15-30 solar masses. That works out about 650 odd meters wide. Anything smaller and your ship just wont fit. But, alas, we need more trials.

This might be because stellar Black holes come in two different types. Those with Spin, and those without. Spinning black holes (and of course, being black holes you wont see any spin - only the gravitational effects) are much more stable than static Black Holes. They also theoretically are much more likely to have the correct conditions to produce a stable wormhole. But theoretically rarer too.

The game seems to reflect that.

The problem that we have is this: We have tried jumping to a known Black hole that cannot be entered. (Presuming that if you go in an innie, you must come out an outie) just by making a system lock. That doesn't work. The commander might need a full system scan first and actually select the black hole from inside the system map. (my buddy didn't have that) We also tried it with a tiny black hole (too small?), that my friend had recorded, but to no avail.

Anyhow, its all very attractive rubbish (After crossing the rift a few times) looking for a hidden mechanic to...fast travel. If there are any Cmdrs headed out, stop at PHRIO PHOE AA-A H24 (Large outie), do a scan and continue. At least you will have a reference system then if you hit TRADGOI AA-A H0 A (Large innie) on your travels.

Gypsy out.
 
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I kinda think it would make an awesome game mechanic too. The player would have to go out and scan those black holes before he could use them. Then they would have to find an innie, which is darned difficult. And also scan it. You couldn't just point at a system and say "Go there!"

It would accelerate exploration, but no doubt at some stage someone would find an innie near the core systems and park a station nearby... leading to crazy CGs

A certain TV series comes to mind...
 
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Any candidates for X? Do we need to completely rethink the RR line; should we look for an RX line? Remember Drew saying the location of the Rift on Erimus his map is only 'broadly correct'.

Orerve is the closest anarchy system to Reorte. A line from Reorte to Orerve would put the Rift closer to the core on the galactic arm, which could match up with Drew saying to "consider the core". It's also closer to the permitted Bovomit systems...
 
Gypsy. What makes an innie? And what makes one an outie? With every stellar object in the game killing us when we drive into or to close to it. I've always wondered why black holes don't. You never know.
 
So that: "3. Whether it is found or not depends entirely on who goes looking." means nothing?


No, it has perfect meaning, in terms of the person who goes looking.

Do they have the patience to find it?
Have they solved any of the clues, and applied that knowledge to the search?
Do they have the potential jump range to get there?
Are they looking in the right area?
Etc....

All you need is patience, wanderlust, and the ability to read between the lines...
 
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Gypsy. What makes an innie? And what makes one an outie? With every stellar object in the game killing us when we drive into or to close to it. I've always wondered why black holes don't. You never know.

Have to be careful here...(-;

Some Black holes you can without any bother swan right up next them and get cuddly with the singularity...to within a distance of 1 meter.
That's an innie.

Sure, you should be reamed across the multiverse at that point, but you can still do it.

An outie is one where you hit the safe distance boundary, and cant go any further.

Just for extra clarity here. ALL Black holes will dump you from supercruise. Its just that some let you keep on going.
 
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Excuse me, I meant Orrere, not Orerve.

Of course these might have changed in government type since the game was released (not sure). The descriptions from Elite/FFE are probably more close to what Drew was working with when writing Reclamation. I had a quick look as well yesterday in that vicinity, and Quator also seems to be a good candidate (from the fairly lengthy system description at least), and would only shift the line slightly to the 'east', so the rift as on Erimus map would still be 'broadly' correct.
 
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No, it has perfect meaning, in terms of the person who goes looking.

Do they have the patience to find it?
Have they solved any of the clues, and applied that knowledge to the search?
Do they have the potential jump range to get there?
Are they looking in the right area?
Etc....

All you need is patience, wanderlust, and the ability to read between the lines...

I agree. To add to this, you could also say, that if nobody went looking...it would never be found. :)

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Have to be careful here...(-;

Some Black holes you can without any bother swan right up next them and get cuddly with the singularity...to within a distance of 1 meter.
That's an innie.

Sure, you should be reamed across the multiverse at that point, but you can still do it.

An outie is one where you hit the safe distance boundary, and cant go any further.

Just for extra clarity here. ALL Black holes will dump you from supercruise. Its just that some let you keep on going.

Ahhh OK got ya. I'm on my way back to the bubble and stopped off at 7822 to scan all these as you posted u see. :)
 
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No, it has perfect meaning, in terms of the person who goes looking.

Do they have the patience to find it?
Have they solved any of the clues, and applied that knowledge to the search?
Do they have the potential jump range to get there?
Are they looking in the right area?
Etc....

All you need is patience, wanderlust, and the ability to read between the lines...

Makes sense, thank you for the insight...
 
I agree. To add to this, you could also say, that if nobody went looking...it would never be found. :)

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Ahhh OK got ya. I'm on my way back to the bubble and stopped off at 7822 to scan all these as you posted u see. :)

Ah. ok. I could save you some time and post all the black holes in NGC 7822, but im not going to because im not sure how spoilers work. PM me in game if you want to.
 
What strikes me as odd. Is that we can get near a black hole in general. I know scooping a star and frame shift faster than light travel is made to make the game playable. But going anywhere near a neutron star is hot! Black holes are gravity gone mad....spaghetti and such. Looking at the game and how much thay have tried to keep it as believable as possible it does make me wonder about gypsys theory. Or even if it's a mechanic that's going to be introduced?

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Ah. ok. I could save you some time and post all the black holes in NGC 7822, but im not going to because im not sure how spoilers work. PM me in game if you want to.

No mate thanks. I'll scan them while I'm here thanks :) won't take to long
 
She was on Achenar when she accessed the databanks, so the timing of events now looks like this.

Cool, thanks! I somehow completely missed that first comment of Drew.
I just thought it was strange that the GalNet article put so much stress on the fact that she didn't use the holofac in her room: "In-room holofac consoles were found not to have been used throughout the duration of the Senator’s apparent occupation." Combine that with the fact that she didn't seem to have gone to Achenar for her own motives (but was summoned), and the following message from Drew https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=49791&page=2&p=3558988#post3558988 that states holofac = FTL Comms and which I forgot to mention in my original post, there seemed to be a good case for her accessing the databanks remotely, and maybe not from Achenar itself. Well, come to think of it, are the Imperial databanks actually on Achenar??
 
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