The Formidine Rift - Part 2

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The idea of drawing a line from SgrA* to the R/R line has been suggested by several of us (me included). The problem is that there are an infinite number of lines that would intersect the R/R line. You could draw a line from SgrA* to Reorte, Reidquat, or any other point along the R/R. You would need another reference point telling you where such a line would intersect.

Which would be bad enough if you were only working in 2 dimensions - in 3D, we've got an even bigger infinity (yes, I know) of lines which could intersect.

Oh, and the Rift 'It' would need to be 48.75LY above the Sol - which would help with the searching, I guess.
 
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For those tracking the Viete, codes and Prism names line of thought,,,

http://cryptiana.web.fc2.com/code/spanish3.htm

search page for Viete

mostly letter substitution with squiggly symbols type ciphers.

Need to transcribe exactly what Drew said about it in the interview.

That Viete Colony is in Prism certainly suggests there's something there,,,,


Ulysses 31,,,there is a cipher Cp 31

Cp.31 Two-letter syllables: Base symbol derived from the cipher alphabet + vowel indicator
Three-letter syllables: Base symbol unrelated to the cipher alphabet + Arabic numeral above to indicate the vowel.

Def:
Cp.31 A single alphabetical or other symbol with a superscript Arabic numeral, dots, etc.

Stars, planets, moon, stations

as two letters ???

pr ru di sa
me da ne eu am
ch an
vi hi

as 3 letters

pri rub dia sap
mes dae nea eur amp
chi ant
vie hir

Wouldn't seem to apply as we aren't faced with squiggles?

Ripping right off the page,,,

Viète's Codebreaking

François Viète, who started use of alphabetic symbols for quantities in algebra, performed codebreaking for Henry. He had deciphered a depatch to the Duke of Parma dated 30 December 1588 (Devos p.59, Kahn p.116).
In 1589, letters between Philip and commander Juan Moreo (who was sent to France in 1589 (Devos p.44, 328) to support the Duke of Mayenne) and ambassador Mendoza ("Mendosse" as gallicized by Viète) were intercepted and forwarded to Viète. Moreo's letter dated 28 October 1589, recommending Philip to divert the Duke of Parma's force to France, was not completely deciphered until 15 March 1590, the day after Henry's victory at Ivry. In the letter accompanying the solution, Viète said "They have changed and rechanged [their ciphers], and nevertheless have been and always will be discovered in their tricks." Viète proved the veracity of his statement by continuing to decipher despatches of Spain and other courts. (Kahn p.116-117, Pesic p.4) Possibly due to such confidence, Viète published his decipher of Moreo's letter in a pamphlet in 1590 despite the danger of inducing the enemy to change their cipher (Pesic, p.4).
In 1595, a letter in cipher from Father James Gordon, a Scots Jesuit, to Spain was intercepted and deciphered by the French, possibly by Viète (Letter of Thomas Bodley, 14 March 1595, DCB/001/HTML/1243/008 ; see Catholic Encyclopedia for background).
It appears Viète also deciphered a cipher (Cp.57) with the Duke of Sessa, apparently used around 1600-1601 (see another article).
Cp.38

Cp.38 is a cipher for use with Juan Moreo. The cipher deciphered by Viète was analogous to this cipher. Its nomenclature represent common words by underlined numbers 0-99, alphabetical codes ba, be, ..., zu, bal, bel, ..., zul, bam, bem, ..., sum, and 36-98 with two dots above.
 
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Nice. I looked at Viete a while back but gave up early on since he did appear to deal with more symbolic ciphers which we're not really given. You've definitely dug deeper and more usefully than I had.
 
Nice. I looked at Viete a while back but gave up early on since he did appear to deal with more symbolic ciphers which we're not really given. You've definitely dug deeper and more usefully than I had.

This really isn't my sort of thing.

If Right on Commander was the introductory Chapter 0 code,,,,and this level 1,,,I'm screwed already.
 
This really isn't my sort of thing.

If Right on Commander was the introductory Chapter 0 code,,,,and this level 1,,,I'm screwed already.

Since we spoke in-game 2-3 hours ago, i put the Ulysses 31 intro on loop and was also trying to find whatever i could about Vieta and the spanish cipher. Article after article about syllable ciphers, the great cipher, gemstones connected to specific constellations, prisms, Isaac Newton/Emil Wolf, Autolycus and his accursed family, I came up with only one thing ... UlysseeEEEeeeEEEs no one else can do the things you do! UlysseeEEEEEeEEEs
 
This really isn't my sort of thing.
If Right on Commander was the introductory Chapter 0 code,,,,and this level 1,,,I'm screwed already.

It pretty clearly is your thing :). But yeah if there's some combination of steganography and encryption combined to tease out a word or two from a galnet article we're humped without more information of some sort. I've tried a lot of permutations of the above and basically came up with multiple GIGO systems.
 
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Hi all. I'm going bats*** crazy rewriting my journal as a series of concise posts on the rift. I think I've just about done it.

Please take a look at the rewrite here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d_ZSGwZ1p9sUOVZLaz1hYE-YOJon2_caV3RgEZFcoj4/edit?usp=sharing

And leave any comments or observations.

I've tried to de-tinfoil the writing as much as possible, and stick only to *known facts* for this. So please let me know if I've missed anything obvious, or if anything in there should be clarified (or even omitted!)

The plan is to create a new thread with three opening posts for each of the main sections:

- So you wanted to know about the "Formidine Rift”?
- General timeline of events
- What do we know so far?

I'll reserve a fourth post for listing out the clues as per Muetdhivers previous suggestion of primary, secondary and tinfoil categories.

The hope is that this will be a solid introduction for any rifters going forward.

Thanks :D o7
 
Make sure that, as soon as you post, you reply back to your own thread three or four times to grab the first few replies back so you can edit them later with more content. Looking at the journal now :)

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@Lucky Luke - One thing that the journal lacks is info on previously discussed topics. It has nothing on EB, P or RO, C or the .,.. ......,. ... - things that new folks coming to the discussion are going to bring up and rehash as we've see over and over again.
 
Make sure that, as soon as you post, you reply back to your own thread three or four times to grab the first few replies back so you can edit them later with more content. Looking at the journal now :)

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@Lucky Luke - One thing that the journal lacks is info on previously discussed topics. It has nothing on EB, P or RO, C or the .,.. ......,. ... - things that new folks coming to the discussion are going to bring up and rehash as we've see over and over again.

Yep. That will be the content of the fourth post... disseminating the clues by primary, secondary and tinfoiley categories. Just hadn't done it yet :D
 
The idea of drawing a line from SgrA* to the R/R line has been suggested by several of us (me included). The problem is that there are an infinite number of lines that would intersect the R/R line. You could draw a line from SgrA* to Reorte, Reidquat, or any other point along the R/R. You would need another reference point telling you where such a line would intersect.

Exactly. And if you take THIS and draw the line from *Sag A to intersect the RR line between the rift, it wouldn't be insurmountable. And THIS.

LuckyLuke, thanks for all that info in one place. I will be spending a bit of time getting closer tomorrow night.

* Edit * Tinfoil is compelling because it's just so compelling. It's like watching my dog chase her tail. One day, she is going to catch the tail of that other dog...
 
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It pretty clearly is your thing :). But yeah if there's some combination of steganography and encryption combined to tease out a word or two from a galnet article we're humped without more information of some sort. I've tried a lot of permutations of the above and basically came up with multiple GIGO systems.

Looking back at this in terms of probabilities that this is like a Spanish cipher that Viete solved only taking the one letter from each name prds mdmea ca vh could be possible. Finding names in one myth for the planets and the moons where two or three letters from each are required to form a cipher is so improbable as to exclude it. The stars you could fudge for two but not likely three letters and for the stations one has to be Viete for the clue, if it is, as there's so many station names it could be a total coincidence which in this case would mean a deliberately placed red herring.

Of course if the problem was designed working in the opposite direction starting with any two or three letter cipher and fitting the result to the question then all bets are off.

Working with the names this way might not be the way to go or is it?
Nice how every avenue only makes things worse.

It's like finding names from myths and gods in the game, the only surprise would be finding they've missed raiding some culture for them.

Another direction Viete was more a mathematician so the clue is in the math and geometry of the system?
 
Please take a look at the rewrite here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d_ZSGwZ1p9sUOVZLaz1hYE-YOJon2_caV3RgEZFcoj4/edit?usp=sharing

And leave any comments or observations.

Looks fine.

A bit of trivia and speculation on my part -

In London, I wonder if Kahina visited the Royal Observatory at Greenwich?

Wikipedia said:
The Royal Observatory, Greenwich is an observatory situated on a hill in Greenwich Park, overlooking the River Thames. It played a major role in the history of astronomy and navigation, and is best known as the location of the prime meridian

* Possibly Kahina may have gone archive raiding.

* Possibly Kahina may have viewed live astronomical events in the heavens at the home of the prime meridian.

(For what it is worth, artifacts designed by one of my heroes, John Harrison, are kept there.)

At Cambridge, the Third Cambridge Catalogue of Radio Sources (3C) is kept at the Cavendish Laboratory, itself a home Radio Astronomy.

* Possibly Kahina may have gone archive raiding.

* Possibly Kahina may wanted to      an ear for herself, assuming the 'current' version of the Cavendish Astrophysics Group were willing to let her gain access to their instruments.

That last sentence sounds ruder than I intended, but I'm keeping it.

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What can I say, the blanked out word in the post above rhymes with 'clock'.
 
Looks fine.

A bit of trivia and speculation on my part -

In London, I wonder if Kahina visited the Royal Observatory at Greenwich?



* Possibly Kahina may have gone archive raiding.

* Possibly Kahina may have viewed live astronomical events in the heavens at the home of the prime meridian.

(For what it is worth, artifacts designed by one of my heroes, John Harrison, are kept there.)

At Cambridge, the Third Cambridge Catalogue of Radio Sources (3C) is kept at the Cavendish Laboratory, itself a home Radio Astronomy.

* Possibly Kahina may have gone archive raiding.

* Possibly Kahina may wanted to      an ear for herself, assuming the 'current' version of the Cavendish Astrophysics Group were willing to let her gain access to their instruments.

That last sentence sounds ruder than I intended, but I'm keeping it.

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What can I say, the blanked out word in the post above rhymes with 'clock'.

I believe that the possibility that Kahina's visit to Earth was related to Astronomical observations from Cambridge has been discussed at length. You'll find plenty of converstation in both the 1st and this 2nd Formidine Rift thread by searching to following via Google:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#safe=off&q=site:forums.frontier.co.uk+formidine+cambridge
 
In game what is the meaning of being a senator?
All the imperial senators are leaders of a single system? Excluding DP...how 'common' it is to be a senator?
 
In game what is the meaning of being a senator?
All the imperial senators are leaders of a single system? Excluding DP...how 'common' it is to be a senator?

Imperial Senators are members of the Imperial Senate and answerable only to the Emperor herself. Some Senators may control a single system (the Loren family) while others may exercise control over a larger area of space (Patreus). It is possible, though I can think of no ready example to illustrate this, that a Senator might not be in direct control of any system at all. We have no real info on how Senators become Senators. Election? Appointment? The fact that Kahina Loren became Senator of Prism on the event of her Father's death suggests that it is a hereditary title.
 
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