The hunt for the darkwheel and raxxla revisited, the evidence so far

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Ton618 666

Ton618 666
In recent week's i have been compiling allot of lore and facts around raxxla and the darkwheel ans i am truly greatful to everyone who has posted in the quest to find raxxla thread, im now 335 pages into a 2000+ page thread..and counting..

So, the cold hard facts are down to the codex in game, that is the only official proof without any rumours made up by outside influences, the darkwheel toast might be a clue but we have to remember that we don't know if they or anyone found raxxla and even the darkwheel novella and its famous commander never stated if raxxla had been found so although we have search sol, delphi and all of its areas there and searched the centre of the galaxy we still have no sign of raxxla or the darkwheel!

The darkwheel rumoured M class star and 8th moon theory is part speculation part codex entry but no one has found them.

Heart and soul nebula, nothing, horse head, locked! Col 70 locked! And many other locked regions in the universe, i don't think the statement "a little bit obvious" is related to raxxla, that is a mis conception and crossed from information elsewhere, correct me if im wrong.

So where haven't we looked for these two places? I have done some mapping research on elite traffic frequency and poi's and i have to places in mind but they are 45000ly away each which even in a carrier makes things difficult as you maximum capacity is around 25,000T and the more you carry the more tritium per jump consumed.

Also has anyone played the original elite?
How did you find systems? Jump, locate station's? If raxxla has been in elite since 84 then maybe this non conventional way to find it is a clue.

Any ideas or new leads are appreciated as i want to gather information to go research before heading on a very long journey which might mean my carrier and i never return, forever lost in the black abyss.
 

Mrat13

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The name Raxxla has always bugged me, it never made sense in English. Then it hit me as I was just looking at the word in your thread. What if it isn't an English word, but an alien one, like the Thargoids or Guardians? Has anyone deciphered those languages, and translated the word Raxxla using said language?

Edit: So, I thought I'd look at Guardian language first as that seems to be binary. I found a binary calculator and the word Raxxla spat out this: 010100100110000101111000011110000110110001100001. I then stumbled across information about turning binary into coordinates, but have yet to find any tool that will allow me to do that for 3 axis coordinates (like the galactic map). If anyone could help, that would be welcome.
 
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CMDR Maxus

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Raxxla hasn't been in elite since 84. People have data mined the game and found nothing, its such a small game too, that if it was there it would be easy to find some reference. Its been in the lore since 84 though.

Personally I'm not even convinced it's in the current game, even if DB himself said 'of course it is'.

There's absolutley no direction, no clues apart from heresy and references. People are not even sure its a planet. It certainly is an awesome aspect to an otherwise empty universe, but I just can't see Fdev being legit on this, especially since 2014.
 

DoctorDanny

DoctorDanny
DB lied about a lot of other things as well, especially during kickstarter (DDF, its members getting godlike powers, stowing away on ships, etc.). Even if it is in the game. Ask yourself, what gameplay value does a feature have that hasn't been seen in 6 or so years?
 

gthk

gthk
Rafe Zetter mentioned that Raxxla is a remote system.

I have undergone an extensive search in Tionisla , which is well known as the graveyard burying Jason, in Elite Dangerous. However, I cannot find any hints about Raxxla.

And in the original Elite, after destroying 'fun looking ship' constrictor and getting Navy Energy Unit in Galaxy 3, I cannot receive anymore message from Alliance Navy. If any CMDR know any further hints, please let me know. It has been a riddle for over 30 years.
 
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Semivivus

Semivivus
Mrat13 said:
The name Raxxla has always bugged me, it never made sense in English.
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This is the sole reason I never took an interest in this whole mystery. I find the name unpleasant to read or even look at. Not to mention that the place doesn't even exist 🤡

The overzealousness of some of the Raxxla cult followers reminds me of that of Zetatalk cult.
 

M_72

M_72
DoctorDanny said:
DB lied about a lot of other things as well, especially during kickstarter (DDF, its members getting godlike powers, stowing away on ships, etc.). Even if it is in the game. Ask yourself, what gameplay value does a feature have that hasn't been seen in 6 or so years?
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Pretty much this.
 

xzanfr

xzanfr
Ton618 666 said:
In recent week's i have been compiling allot of lore and facts around raxxla and the darkwheel ans i am truly greatful to everyone who has posted in the quest to find raxxla thread, im now 335 pages into a 2000+ page thread..and counting..

So, the cold hard facts are down to the codex in game, that is the only official proof without any rumours made up by outside influences, the darkwheel toast might be a clue but we have to remember that we don't know if they or anyone found raxxla and even the darkwheel novella and its famous commander never stated if raxxla had been found so although we have search sol, delphi and all of its areas there and searched the centre of the galaxy we still have no sign of raxxla or the darkwheel!

The darkwheel rumoured M class star and 8th moon theory is part speculation part codex entry but no one has found them.

Heart and soul nebula, nothing, horse head, locked! Col 70 locked! And many other locked regions in the universe, i don't think the statement "a little bit obvious" is related to raxxla, that is a mis conception and crossed from information elsewhere, correct me if im wrong.

So where haven't we looked for these two places? I have done some mapping research on elite traffic frequency and poi's and i have to places in mind but they are 45000ly away each which even in a carrier makes things difficult as you maximum capacity is around 25,000T and the more you carry the more tritium per jump consumed.

Also has anyone played the original elite?
How did you find systems? Jump, locate station's? If raxxla has been in elite since 84 then maybe this non conventional way to find it is a clue.

Any ideas or new leads are appreciated as i want to gather information to go research before heading on a very long journey which might mean my carrier and i never return, forever lost in the black abyss.
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If you're interested in the original it is worth taking a look at the information describing how the names were created. Oolite has a base in the original (essentially reverse engineered) and has used and explained how the names were created:
Galaxy lists http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Oolite_planet_list
Systems gal 1 http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Sector1/Systems_in_Galaxy_Sector_1
Section index http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Sector1/Index#The_Dark_Wheel
Randum number generator http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Random_number_generator

I thought that raxxla was so called because it was either a product of the naming creation system or was not possible in the system however I think I've read elsewhere that Robert Holdstock, the author of the original book "the dark wheel" , had used the name previously. It is worth continuing to read the Raxxla thread as significantly more knowledgable people have looked in to this at greater depth.

I feel that LFT509 is a strong contender for the dark wheel station and have been adding my small amount of help to the huge effort that is turning the wheel, where some of the theories are being tested. Check out the first post to read about some of the theories.

The co-creator of elite has a site here with some further information and a copy of the original book.

Finally, Mark Moxon has put up a commented version of the original source code if you fancy going over it for evidence of raxxla.
 

Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
Ton618 666 said:
Also has anyone played the original elite?
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You can play it nowadays with an emulator easily enough - it won't answer any of your questions about Raxxla, though. (Or if you want broadly the same gameplay as the original Elite with somewhat more modern interface and graphics, try Oolite)

xzanfr said:
I thought that raxxla was so called because it was either a product of the naming creation system or was not possible in the system
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It's not possible with the naming system - you can't have three consonants in a row in an original Elite system name.
"Ra" and "la" are valid bits, "xx" isn't.
 

xzanfr

xzanfr
Ian Doncaster said:
You can play it nowadays with an emulator easily enough - it won't answer any of your questions about Raxxla, though. (Or if you want broadly the same gameplay as the original Elite with somewhat more modern interface and graphics, try Oolite)


It's not possible with the naming system - you can't have three consonants in a row in an original Elite system name.
"Ra" and "la" are valid bits, "xx" isn't.
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Ah, that was it!
I had a hazy memory that raxxla was special because it couldn't be made in the naming system and was in an unreachable galaxy, however I used to write stories about the game when I was 8 so it was probably something I'd dreamt up :D I think it was a Holdstock invention.
 

thelion

thelion
It can't be in a permit locked system as a Dev said that a Cmdr had honked the system and moved on, what what. I am unsure when this was said and by whom.

It may be in a system that has become permit locked?

Through the process of elimination, another Cmdr could check which systems have become permit locked since the Dev made the statement. I would do this myself but I am too Bally lazy, what what

Tatty bye
 

Zieman

Zieman
thelion said:
as a Dev said that a Cmdr had honked the system and moved on
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No they didn't.

EDIT: Eh, looks like a streamer called Ascorbius heard otherwise at Lavecon.
So, that myth about someone having visited the system without knowing Raxxla was there may not be a myth after all.

EDIT 2: There's some controversy regarding the validity of Ascorbius' claim, so I'm still not very convinced.
 
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BirdWisdom

BirdWisdom
thelion said:
It can't be in a permit locked system as a Dev said that a Cmdr had honked the system and moved on, what what. I am unsure when this was said and by whom.

It may be in a system that has become permit locked?

Through the process of elimination, another Cmdr could check which systems have become permit locked since the Dev made the statement. I would do this myself but I am too Bally lazy, what what

Tatty bye
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What I heard was he or she honked the system and deployed the hardpoints (fighting) and moved on 😁
 
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Zieman

Zieman
thelion said:
Soooooo.......

Is there any evidence at all that Raxxla actually exists?
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Maybe.
Macros Black said:
Public FD Raxxla statements:
  1. DB:Does Raxxla exist?
  2. MB:Positive confirmation for Raxxla in the Milky way - DJTruthsayer lore interview with Michael Brookes
  3. DW:Raxxla exists and we know where it is
  4. DW:Raxxla exists, we know where it is, and why people haven't been able to find it...
  5. Ascorbius: Ascorbius confirms MB speaking about 'Raxxla has been visited at least once' at Lave-con Q&A
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Nadreck

N
thelion said:
Soooooo.......

Is there any evidence at all that Raxxla actually exists?
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Well, the Codex entries for Raxxla and the Dark Wheel prove that they are still "canonical", they're still supposed to exist.

As ED communicates with Frontier's servers on every jump, I expect the "player has found Raxxla" condition to be handled server-side. This would prevent datamining of the client to find where Raxxla is.
 
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