The longest running technical problem in Elite

So recent months have thrown odyssey's technical issues into sharp relief, to say nothing of it's relatively thin content.

But during some general computer maintenance, I discovered a technical problem that has persisted since the very launch of elite dangerous.

See, like most of you, I run multiple drives in my computer. A smaller SSD for the system and programs, a larger ssd for games, and a mechanical hdd for older games not as reliant on load times, and everything else.

Well, I noticed my system SSD was a lot fuller than it should have been. I avoid having any extraneous files dumped there. Investigating further, I discovered elite, odyssey, and to my surprise the odyssey alpha files, were all just sitting there, wasting space. But not at some top level directory, or even in the program files or Frontier folder (in the program files.) Nooo, these were all sitting deep in my user directory, in the windows folders users generally can't even see.

Edit: A few notes on this issue for those skipping the thread. This issue only occurs if you install to the default install directory in program files on C. The LAUNCHER installs to program files, while the actual game files install to a sub directory of your user/appdata folder. If you install to a different drive than your system drive, (D: E: whatever) the game files reside in the launcher folder, where they should.

This is less of a problem then I first felt, but still an annoying issue, there doesn't seem to be a legitimate reason the game files can't install to your program files directory.
 
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From the thread title, I was sure the shoddy networking this game employs was going to be the subject covered.

I also checked my user folder. There are 3 different Frontier Developments folders, 2 in appsdata and 1 in roaming, totaling 26MB. I also use multiple drives. 1 x 512GB Nvme (OS), 1 x 2TB Nvme (games/applications), and a 4GB spinner (various media and back up files).
 
Yep. Wondered why i was running low on space. Found 30gb of Elite twaddle buried deep down (a year ago, can’t recall exactly where).
 
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When you install the game, you can specify a path. This is where the main files will be installed. That's probably the part you must have somehow screwed up. The fact that it will then be installed in your user folder by default would indeed be questionable (if indeed it should be).

Your local setup files go into C:\Users\[your user]\AppData\Local\Frontier Developments\Elite Dangerous\
This is the only place that you can't change and is only populated with a lot of smaller files of a few KB. In summary should be less than 50 Mb.

But I guess that's not what you mean, because if that's a problem for you then you'll have a whole lot of other, way more serious problems. I'd say, before blaming Frontier that's rather a case of

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No, that's not what happens. So using the frontier launcher, when you install the launcher, you can select a drive for this to go to. REGARDLESS OF WHAT DRIVE YOU INSTALL THE LAUCNHER ON, the actual game files will then be installed to your user folder, and we're talking gigabytes here, not a few megs. Remember, the game is installed from the launcher, and the launcher installs it to your user files, not the local hard drive of the launcher.

I know this becuase I uninstalled the game AND launcher, and then tried installing them again to a different drive. Putting the launcher on a different drive changed nothing.

The only thing that made any difference was installing via steam. The directory you install the launcher to in steam becomes the main game file directory, thankfully.

I only found the files because I was using a drive visualizer: windirstat. It's great. I don't remember their exact directory.

This is all really inexcusable. The game needs to allow you to specify the install directory.
 
Hmm, I knew exactly what would happen when i installed Odyssey. Yes, i'm keeping the alpha files because there will inevitably be another alpha/beta and those files will save me some dl'ing. Maybe FD could make it clear by leaving the installation in the launcher so it can be deleted by the launcher like everything else. 🤷‍♂️
 
fwiw there can always be something preventing a choice or options from even displaying.
There are reasons for companies telling you to make sure everything is up to date, driver-wise and more.
A simple text line can fail to display, or the option not trigger to code detecting a reason NOT to display.

Other-wise....install works correctly for most people is the case. but 100%....not usually going to happen. In frontiers case, only someone that has no history with them would argue this topic.
 
No, that's not what happens. So using the frontier launcher, when you install the launcher, you can select a drive for this to go to. REGARDLESS OF WHAT DRIVE YOU INSTALL THE LAUCNHER ON, the actual game files will then be installed to your user folder, and we're talking gigabytes here, not a few megs. Remember, the game is installed from the launcher, and the launcher installs it to your user files, not the local hard drive of the launcher.

I know this becuase I uninstalled the game AND launcher, and then tried installing them again to a different drive. Putting the launcher on a different drive changed nothing.

The only thing that made any difference was installing via steam. The directory you install the launcher to in steam becomes the main game file directory, thankfully.

I only found the files because I was using a drive visualizer: windirstat. It's great. I don't remember their exact directory.

This is all really inexcusable. The game needs to allow you to specify the install directory.
Mine installed exactly where I put it: C:\+ Games\Elite Dangerous\

All 75GB it has grown to.

I keep a backup on a portable drive, in case it commits suicide.

Running WinDirStat to see if it's smuggled its fat butt somewhere else.
 
Which it does. I'm pretty sure the mistake was on your side.

Sir, lets be clear. You do not get to chose the installation directory of the game. You can chose the installation directory of the LAUNCHER. You then use the launcher to install the game. Are you installing via the Fdev launcher or steam? (for record, my issues occured with the fdev launcher.)

I reinstalled the launcher, SPECIFYING A FOLDER ON MY D DRIVE. (Lets say it was D:\Frontier) it totally installed the launcher there! Right where it said it was going to go.

And then it promptly installed the game files into C:\Users\(ECTERA ECTERA)

There was no user error. I can record a video of the entire thing. And frankly, if you only have one drive, you can't be sure that's what's causing the game files to be installed locally to the launcher. In fact I can see a deliberate design choice where if multiple drives are detected, the game intentionally installs into a directory where it knows it can find itself. (which is ostensibly by game developers use those folders for save files in the first place.)
 
This is crazy. Then explain to me, how I got the installation to the place I choose - if choosing isn't possible. LOL
Ok, I'm out. I just tried to help, but your case is hopeless. And meanwhile I start to understand why.
Don't insult other people.

You're assuming your experience is reflective of everybody's. But your system configuration is already stated as different than mine. Furthermore you're ignoring that other people on this thread are relating the same issue. It's not like one person just went "Dur I think I installed it to teh wr0ng driv3!" If you want to think there isn't a problem because you didn't experience it...cool. Never work in QA.
 
I know it let me specify through Steam, Epicfail, and directly from Frontier on different PC's, each with multiple drives, for my main and various alts.
Each of my PC's has a drive dedicated to apps and games. I install all launchers on those drives and the game files install on those drives as directed.
So, I ask again what triggers this on other peoples PC's, but not my own or some other people's?
 
I know it let me specify through Steam, Epicfail, and directly from Frontier on different PC's, each with multiple drives, for my main and various alts.
Each of my PC's has a drive dedicated to apps and games. I install all launchers on those drives and the game files install on those drives as directed.
So, I ask again what triggers this on other peoples PC's, but not my own or some other people's?
Right, you can specify the launcher install installation, not the game files. Do me a favor, where ever you installed the launcher, right click the EDLaunch folder and tell me how big it is. Because I would guess it doesn't contain your game files, just the launcher files. But this ONLY applies if you're installing the game using the frontier downloadable. Via steam this problem doesn't occur and the files are installed into the launcher directory.
 
i don't have the problem on 3 machines i'm running (all installs on a specified non-user data drive), but i had that problem installing odyssee on my parents new pc (because i wanted to see how a new, but not at all gaming rig runs odyssee).

i have only basic understanding of IT, but running the install as admin and installing it for "all users' allowed me to choose install location of the game files as i was used to from my own machines. iirc.
 
So I just tested this with the Launcher from the Frontier store, and I am NOT experiencing this.
I downloaded the launcher from https://www.frontierstore.net/downloadable/customer/products/, installed it to d:\EDTEST\ (c: being obviously my system drive), ran EDLaunch.exe and started the installation of Odyssey.
The launcher didn't prompt me for an install path for the game (it did for the install of the launcher itself), but it created a new Products folder in d:\EDTEST\, and a elite-dangerous-odyssey-64 folder inside that as expected, and started to install the game inside it. I'm not going through the whole process as I'm on DSL, but I doubt the launcher will suddenly move all the files to some user folder once it's finished.

To me your issue sounds like some Windows UAC shenanigans.
 
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Actually you can specify the installation drive and directory from the launcher.
Just click on "Options" before installing the game and you will see the option to choose where to install.
By default everything is installed under the "Products" directory inside the launcher.
 
This happens with the default FDev Launcher for me, but not with the Epic version of the game. With the FDev Launcher version - installed to my Games Partition (D:) the main game files are all there, but there's also a load of stuff installed to the C: Drive - specifically in AppData. A chunk of this appears to be from prior Beta's - we're talking files dated 2016 here - as well as other stuff. 20 or so GB in total. The funny thing is, this entire PC was built in November 2019 on fresh drives and while I did copy various game folders from my GAMES drive over to the new machine to save bandwidth - my internet was terrible at the time - I didn't copy anything anywhere else, other than my controller profile. Also, I don't do Beta's, other than the very first one (original backer here) so surprised to see the files here. Weird right?

In addition, and I posted about this, when Odyssey was downloaded on this machine, it filled up my C: (system) drive with about 35 - 40 GB of extra data - I got a "low space" warning during the install. This space did not free up after the install was done, but did so (in part) a short while later. Basically, there was lots of left-over installer files in the Frontier folder under AppData that was not fully cleaned up. To be clear, Odyssey is installed to my Games drive, it's just that there's a tonne of rubbish left behind on my C: drive too.

If this happened with the Odyssey update, it's perfectly possible it happened with prior updates too, gradually taking up more and more temporary space on my C drive, and not automatically freeing it up as it should. Don't know why this happens, just that it does with the FDev installer. I have another ED install on a second machine but via the Epic Launcher. While this build is only Horizons, it does not exhibit the same excess data stored on my C: drive. However, this is a relatively recent install, from when ED was free through Epic, so hasn't had lots of updates in that time.

I've cleaned up the stuff I assume was temporary from my C: drive - game still works - as well as some other older stuff and things are working, so, this does indeed - at least the stuff I've removed - appear to be some sort of Temporary installer data that's simply not cleaned up correctly.

I've not played lately, just let the game update and checked it still launches, and likely won't until more issues are addressed in Odyssey - the terrible Outfitting UI is next, and I eagerly await that getting its prior functionality back - but I will have to check if there's been more temporary carp* left behind on C: drive and tidy it up as needed.

So, yeah, this extra data appearing on C: when the game (and installer) were installed to a different Drive / Partition is 100% a thing. Why it's a thing, well, I can only assume it's a bug with the installer, but it's definitely a thing.

Scoob.

* Carp because it's fishy, not because I've transposed any letters or anything....
 
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