The many "Best VR Games" articles that feature Elite Dangerous - reminding FDev of what they've achieved (and should continue)
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Viajero
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Ask yourself a few questions:
- What would be the difference, from our point of view, between a company that announces they are going to try and get VR and then fail, and a company that does not even try but announces the same thing? What good that info would be to you/me?
- Also, why on earth would a company that plans to actually try something with a non negligeable risk of failure announce it only to fail at it and have to swallow the corresponding failure reputational impact (in addition to the failure cost)? Wouldnt it be more prudent to hold any comms and PR until you have a reasonable degree of certainty that you will be able to achieve it?
You are asking a project team basically to position themselves in an impossible situation, or to lie to us with what we want to hear. You are asuming the future, whatever that is, is a foregone conclusion. And therefore based on that it is unacceptable that FDEV does not share such future (be it good or bad news) with us.
If any company, nevermind individual, had that level of certainty across the board on future events, especially in a multiyear horizon, that company would not be a company anymore. It would have dissipated in a cloud of riches and glory.
FDEV has so far basically told us "we dont know". There is really not much more we can ask them to add to that until they do.
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A lot of us have already stated we'd be happy if the legs part wasn't implemented in VR, but we could still see all the new planetary stuff from our ships, SRV. Personally, I wouldn't care if they never implemented the legs part in VR - I am more than happy just driving vehicles. But I want to drive around pretty planets.
And on another note, don't you hate it when you reply to a post and then realise it is actually several days old and you were on an early page of the thread?
The problem with a number of VR commentators here at the moment is that they believe there is a conspiracy against VR.
The evidence is to the contrary. Now look at how difficult it appears to be for FD to get the main game working as it is on flat screens !
The evidence is to the contrary. Now look at how difficult it appears to be for FD to get the main game working as it is on flat screens !
I'd be more inclined to cite how difficult it is to insert moon orbit lines in VR, let alone add a FPS
I can see it both ways :
A: FDev drops VR support. It was a niche market anyway. How many players actually use it ? From a cost/benefit perspective, spending the resources to make 3-5% of the player base happy might not make business sense.
B: FDev adds it later, or changes their mind and rushes it into initial release. VR gained ED a lot of positive news, and continues to generate a lot of buzz about the game. It might not have many players ( as a percentage of total ), but those who do play in VR are very vocal and tend to show others.
Now, for me personally ? I play in VR and pancake, depending on my time available. If I have an hour or two, I play pancake. If I have an evening, then I play in VR. I bought EDH just for the FSD range mods. Then I started some of the others.. and over a year of so, got into the whole Engineers thing.
Does this affect if I buy EDO ? Hmm... depends on what is offered. I'm picky that way. As an example, I am not impressed by FC's at the moment. Not to say that there might be some wrinkle that changes my mind but as it stands right now, no thanks. If it was a paid DLC I'd say it's a hard pass. When EDO comes out, I'll make my call then.
A: FDev drops VR support. It was a niche market anyway. How many players actually use it ? From a cost/benefit perspective, spending the resources to make 3-5% of the player base happy might not make business sense.
B: FDev adds it later, or changes their mind and rushes it into initial release. VR gained ED a lot of positive news, and continues to generate a lot of buzz about the game. It might not have many players ( as a percentage of total ), but those who do play in VR are very vocal and tend to show others.
Now, for me personally ? I play in VR and pancake, depending on my time available. If I have an hour or two, I play pancake. If I have an evening, then I play in VR. I bought EDH just for the FSD range mods. Then I started some of the others.. and over a year of so, got into the whole Engineers thing.
Does this affect if I buy EDO ? Hmm... depends on what is offered. I'm picky that way. As an example, I am not impressed by FC's at the moment. Not to say that there might be some wrinkle that changes my mind but as it stands right now, no thanks. If it was a paid DLC I'd say it's a hard pass. When EDO comes out, I'll make my call then.
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You still don't understand what I'm saying. I'm talking about level of information. They made an announcement when they were not in the clear position to give information. They should have waited a more mature moment. Moreover they even overlapped this with the fleet carrier release. As we say in Italy "they put too much meat on the fire" and now part of it is burning.
If FDev have said from the outset that VR won't be supported, it will never be supported in your lifetimes. Get over it, it's dead.
Not giving up because you said. Unless you're David Braben?
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My David Braben what?
Im not a VR user so i cannot argue that i personally feel a loss by this.
However as an ED fan and player my personal opinion is one that More features in ED rather than less are always better.
Frontier should put some time into moving forward with this in order to make the gameplay experiance universal for VR players.
If that comes in a later update then thats something.
However as an ED fan and player my personal opinion is one that More features in ED rather than less are always better.
Frontier should put some time into moving forward with this in order to make the gameplay experiance universal for VR players.
If that comes in a later update then thats something.
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Viajero
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I think I followed you 100% but you still keep on making personal assumptions right and left and declaring them as "clear"
It's not an assumption that FDEV don't have all the information neither the clear picture. This is their official statement.I think I followed you 100% but you still keep on making personal assumptions right and left and declaring them as "clear"
Also: when Zac says that they don't know 100% yet and it's safer to consider no VR support at launch it's clearly a conservative affirmation.
The personal assumption is that they could've waited a bit more to advertise Odyssey in order to have a better plan and a clear picture of their capabilities.
Fixed it, you 2 dimensional pedantic.
Viajero
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I think on that front we can agree: "FDEV has so far basically told us "we dont know". There is really not much more we can ask them to add to that until they do."
Your assumption, at least the one I responded to directly, was that by now they should have been ready to answer the "basic" question about if Odyssey will receive VR support at all or not:
Which, as discussed, is far from being something you can assume or take from granted. It also contradicts your first quote above, asuming you believe it.
The more relevant question you can ask though is why are they letting us know now (7-9 months ahead of release) that they still do not have the answer to VR.
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Yes, intended that since they made the official announcement they should've had all the info ready while they are also in an autonomous position because they are the publisher at the same time.
Difficult for me to read this straight
If I understood correctly then yes. They are basically giving a conservative information that is very disappointing to many when they are not even sure about it.
In this way they damaged themselves, at least in the eyes of the VR community.
If they had waited a more mature time they could've probably avoided this by confirming partial support or by confirming a later development.
At the moment, instead, FDEV did not even confirmed that if VR doesn't make it for launch they will for sure work on it later.
Viajero
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It is not great news that is for sure. But what you are not considering is the potential scenario where they could have damaged themselves even more if the waited longer to break the news.
That is another gratuitous selective assumption. Those 2 outcomes seem to be among the most optimistic but are not the only ones.
I thought we had agreed that what FDEV has just communicated is simply a "we dont know". Other than the fact that they were quite certain VR wont be ready at launch (or at least certain enough to let us know 7-9 months ahead).
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