The PC reboots when an asteroid explodes

[B1rdy]

AMD : Another Malfunctioning Device

There’s a reason they are 60%+ cheaper than Intel....

Intel is overpriced due to shortages in production volumes, they also invented "i9" to have an excuse to ship their top consumer CPU for more than the usual 350€/ $. Also this is about GPUs, what kind of dedicated Intel GPU would you recommend? Oh wait, there is none.

While able to run on 500W, a 550W PSU is recommended for the Sapphire.

Manufacturer recommendations are made to be on the safe side, since the quality of PSU can vary significantly. If you look at some actual independent tests, you will find, that a good 500W PSU will be perfectly fine for a RX580 (and for 350W TDP GPUs also).

Get something good - like a Seasonic or Corsair 650W

You can't just go by a certain brand, since there is a lot of relabelling going on. You can even have varying quality within a certain model series.
A bequiet Straight Power 11 500W or Pure Power 11 500W are recommendable PSUs, due to component quality, safety mechanisms and low noise.

If you want a good PSU you should take a look at bequiet.

By the way, a PSU runs most efficient at 40-60% usage, so if your system requiers 300W you need a 550-650W PSU unless you want to waste most of the energy.

If you look at efficiency charts, you can see modern PSUs only loose a bit in efficiency on 60 to 100% load. The difference is so small, that you are probably not get to a break even for buying a more expensive, twice as powerful PSU during the lifetime of the computer. Also more powerful PSUs tend to have a noisier fan. It is not worth it.

Edit:

Can't blame the Intel Pentium FDiv bug this time.

I would agree, if we were back at Win98 (and before) times.

 

[babelfisch]

If you look at efficiency charts, you can see modern PSUs only loose a bit in efficiency on 60 to 100% load. The difference is so small, that you are probably not get to a break even for buying a more expensive, twice as powerful PSU during the lifetime of the computer. Also more powerful PSUs tend to have a noisier fan. It is not worth it.

I recommended a 580W or 600W PSU for his system, not 1200W...
Bequiet PSUs are rarely noisy, regardless if they are more powerful.

But you are right, my sentence above doesn't make much sense...

 

[Phazon Xenomorph]

Intel is overpriced due to shortages in production volumes, they also invented "i9" to have an excuse to ship their top consumer CPU for more than the usual 350€/ $. Also this is about GPUs, what kind of dedicated Intel GPU would you recommend? Oh wait, there is none.

Don't worry, I'm sure he'll find a way to justify it or point out that Intel is making a half baked attempt and making their own graphics card right now (which I haven't heard much news on in a while).

Fact is, Intel is losing hard right now due to being complacent and jacking up prices for minimal performance gains. Yeah an i9 would be cool.... if it was 7nm with 16 cores and each core running at like base clock of 4.5 to 5ghz with excellent heat dispersion , but instead its just a slightly higher clock speed and core count for such negligible gain that the price doesn't justify the means.

Meanwhile AMD is going hard core into their research division. Sure they don't use as high grade silicon as Intel, but they offer arguably equal if not better performance now with the Ryzen third gens than anything Intel has, and rumors are that fourth gen will CRUSH Intel in everything but server-based chipsets if Intel doesn't start actually trying and researching to offer competitive prices.

And while I love NVIDIA, I'm glad AMD is getting into PCIe 4.0 to go even faster on load times graphically. It's about time NVIDIA had to actually try too!

 

[GeneralIdea1964]

I learned from painful experience that a cheap PSU can be hazardous.

A cheap PSU literally went up in flames in my computer, about 22 years ago. I switched on the computer, and a gout of flames (about 4 inches long) shot out from the back. The piece of scrap fried the CPU, mainboard, pretty much everything. Back then, I didn't know how to fix my own PC, so I was out of luck until my repair shop got around to it . . . since those guys had recommended the PSU, and installed everything, they agreed to reimburse me, which was lucky for me.

Second example. My father had trouble with his PC. The main hard drive would occasionally not show up. My brother and I, by then reasonably tech-savvy, tore it apart. We swapped the drive, updated all drivers, swapped cables, even brought it to a repair shop when all those measures were for nought (the very shop where he had bought the machine originally), where the guy told us that micro-fractures in the mainboard might be responsible. Long story short? I finally gave up, pulled the PSU, a cheap piece of garbage (which I hadn't known, as I hadn't been present when my father ordered it), and slapped in an Enermax. Ka-Zam! Problem solved, never had any more problems with his computer.

If you want to save money, buy a smaller CPU, or don't buy another SSD, but DO NOT skimp on the PSU. That will backfire, and create very nasty problems. Quality PSUs aren't really that expensive. A cheap piece of clap PSU with 700W will get the snot kicked out of it by a Corsair, BeQuiet or Antec PSU with 500W (easily!).

I think I'll be OK,
The PC I'm using used to need only a 300W PSU.
So the only thing stressing the power is the GPU.
It was a second hand GPU a GT 670, so far it's all working great, but I'll keep an eye on it. Cheers

However in relation to OP's query, his/her problem is pretty certainly a lack of power.

 

[[VR] DDM_Reaper20]

I think I'll be OK,
The PC I'm using used to need only a 300W PSU.
So the only thing stressing the power is the GPU.
It was a second hand GPU a GT 670, so far it's all working great, but I'll keep an eye on it. Cheers

However in relation to OP's query, his/her problem is pretty certainly a lack of power.

It's not so much a matter of power draw. Cheap PSUs are tricky beasts, even with low power requirements. My father's rig did not NEED much power. He had a graphics card so slow that pigeons could have delivered the information faster, and a CPU slow enough for Noah to have designed the Arc on it...

It's simply a safety thing. A good, quality PSU will not let power spikes get through to the rest of the components. A cheap one (called "Chinesenböller" in German (Chinese fireworks), the term hailing back to the time when Chinese were (in)famous for shoddy copycat designs), will happily pass such a spike on to the other components . . . and may introduce instability, to boot.

 

[Bob McBobblehead]

"The PC reboots when an asteroid explodes", would that be error code black mamba?

 

[GeneralIdea1964]

It's not so much a matter of power draw. Cheap PSUs are tricky beasts, even with low power requirements. My father's rig did not NEED much power. He had a graphics card so slow that pigeons could have delivered the information faster, and a CPU slow enough for Noah to have designed the Arc on it...

It's simply a safety thing. A good, quality PSU will not let power spikes get through to the rest of the components. A cheap one (called "Chinesenböller" in German (Chinese fireworks), the term hailing back to the time when Chinese were (in)famous for shoddy copycat designs), will happily pass such a spike on to the other components . . . and may introduce instability, to boot.

I don't disagree. My original answer was to suggest PSU was the OPs problem.
I'm prepared to take the risk on my 10+ Yr old machine. It was from Amazon, with OK reviews, so a largely reliable source..

 

[Sentenza]

Oh wow I thought I was getting mad. I have a very similar issue, PC crashing or rebooting while playing since the update, with bios often complaining that it rebooted due to power supply surge.

Now I am getting a better supply BUT I also made an interesting discovery: this update for some reason defaulted graphic setting to fullscreen (I usually use seamless). Well guess what, when changing the setting to seamless or window, no more crashes!!! I'm guessing that this update stresses the GPU more in fullscreen mode and a weaker supply can't handle the additional load anymore. Can you try changing to window/seamless and see if it still crashes?

(but get that supply anyway)

 

[YuGiOhJCJ]

So, I tried to uninstall/reinstall graphics drivers and uninstall/reinstall/clear cache of Elite Dangerous.
However, the problem was still there.
Each time I destroyed an asteroid, the PC rebooted.

After the September update (the one with ARX), I was not able to reproduce the problem while destroying asteroids.
However, if I set the graphical details to Ultra instead of Low, playing some minutes in-game made my PC rebooting.

Meanwhile, I bought a PSU (an EVGA 600 W) following your suggestions.
Now, that I am using this new PSU there are no problems at all.
I can play Elite Dangerous with Low Settings or High Settings, destroying asteroids or not and my PC never reboots.

I know that there is a huge bottleneck between my CPU and my GPU, however it seems to not be a problem for Elite Dangerous.
Indeed, I can play with Ultra settings, 60 FPS (Ctrl + F in-game to show FPS), 1920x1080, during 1 hour and it works perfectly.
Sometimes, when I jump from a system to an other one, I see my FPS between 50-60 FPS but I guess that it is because Elite Dangerous is writing on my disk and because I am using a HDD instead of a SSD with a low speed.

I am really happy with this new PSU, thanks to all for your suggestions.
Problem solved.
Fly safe commanders.
Best regards.

 

[avow555]

A happy ending

 

[Kingston@#]

having your PC's specs would be helpful.
as others have said sounds like you are drawing to much power for your system.
remember everything that is attached to your motherboard is drawing power. 500w is not good enough to run i higher end rig. i would rec 1000w
https://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator

too late glad you fixed it

 

[madmax_2069]

having your PC's specs would be helpful.
as others have said sounds like you are drawing to much power for your system.
remember everything that is attached to your motherboard is drawing power. 500w is not good enough to run i higher end rig. i would rec 1000w
https://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator

too late glad you fixed it

yup, you probably only read the OP and a few pages in

 

[Sentenza]

PSU quality also matters. My PSU was officially rated ad 600W... apparently it really wasn't. Now I just bought a 700W Coolermaster

 

[babelfisch]

having your PC's specs would be helpful.
as others have said sounds like you are drawing to much power for your system.
remember everything that is attached to your motherboard is drawing power. 500w is not good enough to run i higher end rig. i would rec 1000w
https://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator

too late glad you fixed it

Doesn't matter anymore, but 1000W is a bit over the top. Maybe if you are running SLI. For a decent GPU and a few drives 600W is absolutely enough. Maybe a little bit more if the PSU has very low quality.

 

[babelfisch]

So, I tried to uninstall/reinstall graphics drivers and uninstall/reinstall/clear cache of Elite Dangerous.
However, the problem was still there.
Each time I destroyed an asteroid, the PC rebooted.

After the September update (the one with ARX), I was not able to reproduce the problem while destroying asteroids.
However, if I set the graphical details to Ultra instead of Low, playing some minutes in-game made my PC rebooting.

Meanwhile, I bought a PSU (an EVGA 600 W) following your suggestions.
Now, that I am using this new PSU there are no problems at all.
I can play Elite Dangerous with Low Settings or High Settings, destroying asteroids or not and my PC never reboots.

I know that there is a huge bottleneck between my CPU and my GPU, however it seems to not be a problem for Elite Dangerous.
Indeed, I can play with Ultra settings, 60 FPS (Ctrl + F in-game to show FPS), 1920x1080, during 1 hour and it works perfectly.
Sometimes, when I jump from a system to an other one, I see my FPS between 50-60 FPS but I guess that it is because Elite Dangerous is writing on my disk and because I am using a HDD instead of a SSD with a low speed.

I am really happy with this new PSU, thanks to all for your suggestions.
Problem solved.
Fly safe commanders.
Best regards.

Glad that your problem is solved. Regarding the CPU, if you got the money you can always upgrade it without changing Mainboard / RAM. There are good Intel i5/i7 processors available for your board.

 

[Kingston@#]

[

Doesn't matter anymore, but 1000W is a bit over the top. Maybe if you are running SLI. For a decent GPU and a few drives 600W is absolutely enough. Maybe a little bit more if the PSU has very low quality.

my older psu was a 650w tested and found not to be suitable for my self built rig.
with the amount of attached equipment that are connected to my rig. 1000w was recommended. it maybe ott still
but i have not had any issues since moving to it.
also i like to clock my sys. sig specs state 4.5ghz running it currently though @ 5.1ghz

 

[Sentenza]

[

my older psu was a 650w tested and found not to be suitable for my self built rig.
with the amount of attached equipment that are connected to my rig. 1000w was recommended. it maybe ott still
but i have not had any issues since moving to it.
also i like to clock my sys. sig specs state 4.5ghz running it currently though @ 5.1ghz

Your PSU was tested how? If your hardware is the one in your sig I think there is something strange, no way that configuration can require 1000W. Even with the overclocked CPU your GPU just draws 75W, less than half my R9 380. Or do you have a lot of other equipment connected?

 

[Kingston@#]

Your PSU was tested how? If your hardware is the one in your sig I think there is something strange, no way that configuration can require 1000W. Even with the overclocked CPU your GPU just draws 75W, less than half my R9 380. Or do you have a lot of other equipment connected?

i have several usb hubs that have no power supply apart form MB 16 hdds 2 ssds various monitors.
my cpu can draw 125w then there are the other things drawing power that are not listed.
psu 650w failed because things just kept on vanishing ie: hdds while in use.
i dont like to switch windows. i do like to add another monitor so i can display things i need at the same time. 6x monitors at the moment. may increase may not. though i would also have to add another gpu.
which is original why i got the 1000w because i was running 3 x sli on a 650. had to upgrade to the 1050 because my 660 gpus couldn't handle the latest games. so now i probably have got too much wattage. better keep this than downgrade.

 

[Sentenza]

i have several usb hubs that have no power supply apart form MB 16 hdds 2 ssds various monitors.
my cpu can draw 125w then there are the other things drawing power that are not listed.
psu 650w failed because things just kept on vanishing ie: hdds while in use.
i dont like to switch windows. i do like to add another monitor so i can display things i need at the same time. 6x monitors at the moment. may increase may not. though i would also have to add another gpu.
which is originaly why i got the 1000w because i was running 3 x sli on a 650

Oh wow. Well that's definitely an extremely unusual configuration