The Penitent? - ?

blotto

blotto
Ok so first, I have searched and there seems to be little on this topic.


Came back to the game recently, after some time off. Jumped in a passenger ship and did some missions, used auto dock, went to get a beer, find myself in the penitent.

No clue what it is, appears to be no way out, I cannot set any course from there, nothing in navigation.


Sent a ticket, got my ship restored, still in penitent, but this time I can actually get out, even tho its 16 g jumps just to get back anywhere I know.


Similar has happened twice since.




What I want to ask is WHY IS THIS A GOOD IDEA, why is it in the game, just a whole lot of why????

Regards

Sprucey.
 

Factabulous

Factabulous
You were sent to prison for a crime you did not commit. or was that the A-team, I forget. Maybe you did commit the crime.

If on PC check your journals and see what you did - not sure criminal passengers would cause this, but maybe. If not on PC - don't AFK net time ;)
 

blotto

blotto
So I just paid a fine right? then I get sent to the penitent because I paid the fine? which was 200cr or something for doing a surface scan mission?


Is this a thing in the game now that is good?
 

Factabulous

Factabulous
blotto said:
So I just paid a fine right? then I get sent to the penitent because I paid the fine? which was 200cr or something for doing a surface scan mission?


Is this a thing in the game now that is good?
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Wait - you said you were AFK - now you say you handed yourself in - which was it? Can't be too surprised at jail time when you hand yourself in to the authorities. No-one ever reads that text ;)
 

Ashnak

Ashnak
Little? There have been a few hundred, if not thousand, pages of discussion... you probably looked in the wrong places.

The Penitent is one of several prison ships. You go there because you've committed a crime and were caught (or turned yourself in). In the former case, you also lose your ship (and have to pay the rebuy), in the latter, you only pay your bounty.

From your sparse description, it sounds like you may have been caught smuggling wanted passengers - or your autopilot chose the worst possible time to blow a fuse, but my money would be on the former.

As to the why: basically, in order to create at least a small risk for criminal behaviour. But just read on through the thread(s) Ian linked and wait till you get to the part about the ATR.

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You won't get to a prison ship for a fine - and you won't get a fine for a surface scan mission. That was a bounty.
 

Rafe Zetter

Banned
Rafe Zetter
blotto said:
So I just paid a fine right? then I get sent to the penitent because I paid the fine? which was 200cr or something for doing a surface scan mission?


Is this a thing in the game now that is good?
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Yes, this is a thing in "the game now that is good". Enjoy!
 

blotto

blotto
Im explaining a couple of situation where I have been sent to this "penitent" in the 2 days I have played back.

First one was as explained.

Secong one was trying to do some combat thing? ionoo I was a little drunk that night I cant remember the particulars.

Tonight I was doing some surface scan missions, accidentally shot at a scan target maybe? or I think it was just the scan that triggered it, im not sure. Run about a bit, hand in some missions, warp between some stars as we used to do before to become not wanted, didn't work.

Handed in some more missions, the wanted tag disappeared. So like and good citizen ;) I paid my fine.

Now I find myself back in this penitent.
 

Lightspeed

Lightspeed
blotto said:
Im explaining a couple of situation where I have been sent to this "penitent" in the 2 days I have played back.

First one was as explained.

Secong one was trying to do some combat thing? ionoo I was a little drunk that night I cant remember the particulars.

Tonight I was doing some surface scan missions, accidentally shot at a scan target maybe? or I think it was just the scan that triggered it, im not sure. Run about a bit, hand in some missions, warp between some stars as we used to do before to become not wanted, didn't work.

Handed in some more missions, the wanted tag disappeared. So like and good citizen ;) I paid my fine.

Now I find myself back in this penitent.
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I was drunk, officer, can't remember how I got here. No, I did nothing wrong, officer. :D
 

Stealthie

Stealthie
blotto said:
What I want to ask is WHY IS THIS A GOOD IDEA, why is it in the game, just a whole lot of why????
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Because a bunch of people wanted a C&P system but had daft ideas about what it should involve.

Another little gem involving C&P and The Penitent...

Took on a bunch of Cargo missions and an Illegal Salvage mission.
Stopped at a Weapons Fire USS for the lulz. Forgot about my illegal salvage, got scanned and got a Cr100 fine for carrying contraband.
Back to the station to deliver my cargo and, like the law-abiding citizen I try to be, I first go to the Authority Contact to pay off my fine...

... and find myself aboard The Penitent. [sad]

What's more, all my perfectly legal cargo seems to have been confiscated, meaning I've failed all the cargo missions I was doing.
Ho hum.
Fly back to where I was, where I was trying to rank-up with the controlling faction, and find I've got another fine for abandoning all the cargo missions.
Go to pay that fine and - you guessed it - back to The Penitent again.

Surely the system should be capable of punishing you for all your crimes at the same time if there's any merit, at all, to Sandro's assertion that FDev "don't want to waste the player's time"?
 

Lightspeed

Lightspeed
Stealthie said:
Because a bunch of people wanted a C&P system but had daft ideas about what it should involve.

Another little gem involving C&P and The Penitent...

Took on a bunch of Cargo missions and an Illegal Salvage mission.
Stopped at a Weapons Fire USS for the lulz. Forgot about my illegal salvage, got scanned and got a Cr100 fine for carrying contraband.
Back to the station to deliver my cargo and, like the law-abiding citizen I try to be, I first go to the Authority Contact to pay off my fine...

... and find myself aboard The Penitent. [sad]

What's more, all my perfectly legal cargo seems to have been confiscated, meaning I've failed all the cargo missions I was doing.
Ho hum.
Fly back to where I was, where I was trying to rank-up with the controlling faction, and find I've got another fine for abandoning all the cargo missions.
Go to pay that fine and - you guessed it - back to The Penitent again.

Surely the system should be capable of punishing you for all your crimes at the same time if there's any merit, at all, to Sandro's assertion that FDev "don't want to waste the player's time"?
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If it's only a fine, it has to be a bug. Or .... the controllers are corrupt !
 

Factabulous

Factabulous
Lightspeed said:
If it's only a fine, it has to be a bug. Or .... the controllers are corrupt !
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Or reading comprehension is getting worse. I missed it one time, seems others take a bit longer...

Edit: While I think it isn't as bad as others the UI doesn't make it clear as it shoudl what is happening. Like many things in the game really...
 

blotto

blotto
Factabulous said:
Or reading comprehension is getting worse. I missed it one time, seems others take a bit longer...

Edit: While I think it isn't as bad as others the UI doesn't make it clear as it shoudl what is happening. Like many things in the game really...
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retracted. My apologies.
 
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Stealthie

Stealthie
Lightspeed said:
If it's only a fine, it has to be a bug. Or .... the controllers are corrupt !
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To be fair, I was probably kind of "asking for it" by going back to the original station to pay the 2nd fine... after being thrown in jail while trying to pay the 1st fine.
I should really have gone to an IF to pay the fine before heading back to the station but I was feeling a bit "fatalistic".

The point is, though, if getting locked-up causes you to commit other offences (such as getting fined for failing missions when your legal cargo is confiscated) that should really be factored into the process of being put into jail the first time around.

No idea if you're supposed to be jailed for fines or not.
As far as I can see, it definitely happens.
I've been sent to a jail after being fined for scraping another ship on the way into a station and after being fined for carrying contraband.

As far as I can see, whenever you go to pay a fine in the jurisdiction of the faction who issued the fine there's some kind of "dice-roll" that dictates whether you're allowed to pay the fine or whether you get sent to jail.
I'm assuming the idea is that whenever you get a fine you have the choice of paying it off at the faction involved (convenient and cheaper but with the risk of jail) or going to an IF (more hassle, more expensive (?) but no chance of jail).

If fines just flat-out aren't supposed to result in jail then I'm afraid that's something else which is broken. [sad]
 

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
blotto said:
your comprehension seems to be very bad.
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His comprehension isn;t as bad as your attitude, to be frank. In any case: if you want to pay criminal stuff without going to detention, use the interstellar factors. They are in every populated anarchy system pretty much. Either way, fines shouldn't result in detention IMHO, bounties should.
 

Noctover

Noctover
Because the new C&P system is a pathetic joke, you probs did nothing wrong at all but damn you'll suffer for it. Just spend a day jumping through hoops then stay docked in a station to ensure you dont offend someone and acrue a bounty in future,
 
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