The reason some of you are terrified of a slippery slope...

[Sterling MH]

I can't even see you anymore behind that massive strawman.

Well i would suggest you take away that strawman and read my post behind it. And next time, don't plonk your toys in the way of my post. Cheers.

 

[Powderpanic]

Yup. Q3 arena IS PvP. Pure PvP. Nothing BUT PvP. Unfortunately, it was fair PvP and no sealclubbing allowed. So first the sealclubbers left. Then the remaining PvPers found they had nobody else but themselves to v. And left.

Because it isn't PvP you want. You want people to HAVE to v you. Can't let that sweet involuntary gameplay get away from you.

Powderpanic
The Voice of Griefing

 

[Sterling MH]

I am no fan of the proposed changes either but all this talk of class action lawsuits is just embarrassing imo

But that is irrelvant. The law doesn't care what embarrasses you. Don't watch sausages or law made if you have a weak constitution or enjoy the result.

 

[Stigbob]

You now go ahead and armchair lawyer. Not too aware are you?

Let me tell you, I know enough about UK law. Moreover, so does FD, which is why they've given up on contesting KS buybacks. USians don't get that option, but the UK isn't totally corrupt. Laws are sometimes there to protect people, not corporations.

So what would you sue them for ?.

 

[Space Mage]

Well i would suggest you take away that strawman and read my post behind it. And next time, don't plonk your toys in the way of my post. Cheers.

That post is the strawman argument. You've created an image of PvP in your head that simply doesn't exist, and in the process clearly shown you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[ryan_m]

That post is the strawman argument. You've created an image of PvP in your head that simply doesn't exist, and in the process clearly shown you don't know what you're talking about.

He doesn't even know that half the people he's responding to are pretty much cornerstones of PvP in Elite and have been around for a long, long time.

 

[Sterling MH]

Powderpanic
The Voice of Griefing

Yup. The PvPers need to stop demanding Open become what it isn't, forcing things into it to make people come and be their gameplay and go to CQC where what they SAY they want exists right now.

Feel free to ask that it be improved.

Ask for a freematch, where you turn up in your rigged ships.

Ask that there be a charity match, where someone in a big ship but no guns has to outlast every other contestant by "friendly fire" alone.

Ask that Galnet include a TV channel to show the CQC arena.

Heck, this is 10 seconds of thought here. Can't you do better in three years? Stop trying to make people play open your way and start making CQC work if it sucks. PP sucked and you insist that this chance will make it gud again. How about leave it alone and instead fix CQC, from which everyone could benefit, solo, PG or open.

Get your toys shined up, not demand everyone else's be broken so they have to play with you.

He doesn't even know that half the people he's responding to are pretty much cornerstones of PvP in Elite and have been around for a long, long time.

Wow. If that is the case then either cornerstone has a low bar of entry or it really carries no meaning with it. Or they haven't got their a game going in a fair fight.

 

[ryan_m]

Wow. If that is the case then either cornerstone has a low bar of entry or it really carries no meaning with it. Or they haven't got their a game going in a fair fight.

...or you just have no idea what you're talking about. I wonder which one is more likely here...

 

[biot]

Amazing how this thread started out with a good discussion of the pros and cons of player created content and has now turned into Jeremy Kyle with sausages.

 

[Sterling MH]

So what would you sue them for ?.

This has to be rhetorical. Read the thread.

If you want to google it up "Merchantibility" clause and "the sale of goods and services act". As well as UCCTA.

 

[Wolf Starslayer]

So what would you sue them for ?.

I'd sue for peanuts, literally like demand 2 metric tons of best peanuts if i win.

 

[Powderpanic]

Yup. The PvPers need to stop demanding Open become what it isn't, forcing things into it to make people come and be their gameplay and go to CQC where what they SAY they want exists right now.

Feel free to ask that it be improved.

Ask for a freematch, where you turn up in your rigged ships.

Ask that there be a charity match, where someone in a big ship but no guns has to outlast every other contestant by "friendly fire" alone.

Ask that Galnet include a TV channel to show the CQC arena.

Heck, this is 10 seconds of thought here. Can't you do better in three years? Stop trying to make people play open your way and start making CQC work if it sucks. PP sucked and you insist that this chance will make it gud again. How about leave it alone and instead fix CQC, from which everyone could benefit, solo, PG or open.

Get your toys shined up, not demand everyone else's be broken so they have to play with you.



Wow. If that is the case then either cornerstone has a low bar of entry or it really carries no meaning with it. Or they haven't got their a game going in a fair fight.

Have you actually been in open?

Genuine question

Powderpanic
The Voice of Griefing

 

[Sterling MH]

Amazing how this thread started out with a good discussion of the pros and cons of player created content and has now turned into Jeremy Kyle with sausages.

For which you're the what? 20th sausage? You could have tried to actually NOT add to what you complain about, but that was not on the cards, was it.

Have you actually been in open?

Genuine question

Powderpanic
The Voice of Griefing

Nope.

Ever done solo? For PP?

I'd sue for peanuts, literally like demand 2 metric tons of best peanuts if i win.

Anaphylactic. Damnit.

 

[Sterling MH]

...or you just have no idea what you're talking about. I wonder which one is more likely here...

Or you don't have anything better than to imply a point rather than find one that can stand up to public view...

 

[biot]

For which you're the what? 20th sausage? You could have tried to actually NOT add to what you complain about, but that was not on the cards, was it.

Look, don't sausage shame me, mate. I'm trying to be the best sausage I can, even if it is a lowly 20th.

 

[CMDR John Casey]

No, it was hated because it didn't allow you to fight someone your gear totally outclassed, and instead you had to rely on your actual skill

Please. To win matches in CQC all you had to do was to pick a weak target (because he just narrowly won a head-to-head or he was being shot by everyone else). Do we want to call it "skill" maybe but it has nothing to do with the wide variety of technics and loadouts that are out in PvP. Hitscan, reverskis, plasma and fa off...

 

[Powderpanic]

For which you're the what? 20th sausage? You could have tried to actually NOT add to what you complain about, but that was not on the cards, was it.



Nope.

Ever done solo? For PP?



Anaphylactic. Damnit.

Why would I possibly need to play in solo?

I don't suck at the game.

FDEV's only punishment above a total ban, is forced solo.... Take a moment for that to sink in.

Powderpanic
The Voice of Griefing

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Amazing how this thread started out with a good discussion of the pros and cons of player created content and has now turned into Jeremy Kyle with sausages.

I like sausages too.... And here is a real fire cracker. Sausages are better than bacon. Put that in your pipe and smoke it

 

[Sterling MH]

Please. To win matches in CQC all you had to do was to pick a weak target

To win PvP in open allyou have to do is pick a weak target. And there the gap of equipment is massively bigger.

 

[Space Mage]

Nope.

Ever done solo? For PP?

Oh thank goodness Sterling's just been trolling