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My in-laws have all had COVID two or three times each at this point. For most of them it's been mild enough that they can dismiss it--though one of them probably has brain damage from their last bout of it and is in no position to think clearly on the topic and another has lost 25 pounds they didn't have because everything tastes like tuna to them now--and it's people like them that are responsible for this whole mess. They perpetuate ignorance; they assume that anyone taking basic, common sense, self-defense, or common courtesy, measures is a slave to government or mass media or some other nonsense that never even factored into any decision of any rational person (odd how that works...it's like ridiculing someone for not eating plastic bags or not shining a laser pointer in your own eyes); they are probably breeding new variants by trying to ignore things and go about life as usual; they are blaming everyone else for inconveniences they are actively perpetuating. Restrictions exist for, because of, and mostly bother, these kind of idiots (who, not so coincidentally, aren't smart enough to get away with flouting them). And they are still trying to invite me over!

Well the rules defines your life, what you can or cannot do

The rules of man have never defined my life; at best they are quaint guidelines, at worst barely enforceable legalisms that exist to entrap people so stupid they are a threat to themselves and everyone around them. Not that they aren't offensive in principle (I'm a 'less is more' kinda person when it comes to governance), or occasionally annoying (it's a lot to keep track of, and those who would flout the law are well served by knowing the law), but laws imposed by legislatures are for those that need them, easily ignored by those that don't.

The rules of biology are another matter. These I have to heed.

we should just put things into context, more people die of cancer, drunk driving, pollution, hunger, the list is long, so this thing is tiny compare to what else is out there trying to kill us.

The existence of another problem does nothing to diminish this one and is not an argument. Even if it was, few of those things are contagious and almost all of them are made worse by a poorly managed pandemic.

Get hit by a drunk driver, wind up with cancer, or find one's self in a position of scarcity...then one's health may be seriously compromised and one may be forced into close proximity with a whole lot of sick people, or worse, not be able to be treated because others (who mostly shouldn't need to be there) are taking up resources that could otherwise be allocated to them.

I got the Rona or so they told me, it was just like a flu, 5 days on D3, C vitamin, K2 and zinc and it was fine, I don't know anyone who died or got serious sick, not saying that it's not dangerous however a normal healthy person as far as all the reports goes regarding Omnicron will be just fine.

Healthy people will die from omicron and many more will be maimed. Not at the rate of the more lethal variants, but in total numbers, it may well be worse. Nor is health something anyone should take for granted, no matter how many vitamins they take, or the other lifestyle choices they make.

Regardless, the direct risk omicron, or any variant, was never the main issue.

The aftermath of this thing is going to be much more of an impact to our society

Yes. So, why do so many seem so intent on exacerbating the underlying cause?

Limiting that aftermath was always a major concern and reason to get the the pandemic under control. Most of the harm was never going to come from direct COVID cases. And no matter how you measure costs--money, freedom, whatever--treating this pandemic as just another flu or something else that could be dismissed without changing people's behavior was always going to be one of the most expensive options.

People who won't get vaccinated, can't or won't socially distance, and won't take other basic precautions when they can are costing us all a lot. They shouldn't need to be required to, but with so many people believing absolute nonsense and refusing to act sensibly, pushback that we'll all feel for generations is inevitable. Freedom isn't something that should be threatened by exercising it, but when it's exercised at the expense of the freedoms of others, it's utterly unreasonable to not expect a reaction.

Stay safe and stay healthy.

That's what nearly all of us are trying to do, but those who don't take this pandemic seriously are making this far more difficult than it should, or would otherwise, be.
 
Meanwhile, while hopelessly looking for the UKGov and local data they can see and we're not allowed to in my local news feed, our top story is about a coat stolen on the 19th Dec. from a local bar which closed before xmas.
Makes you wonder...
 
My in-laws have all had COVID two or three times each at this point. For most of them it's been mild enough that they can dismiss it--though one of them probably has brain damage
Yep, the latest evidence is that the severity of the infection has no bearing on the odds of getting long covid, which includes brain damage and organ damage. And with omicron you can get infected even after a previous infection. So, don't think you got away with it just because you didn't get hospitalized. The only way to prevent that is vaccination.

The current infection rate in the US is 300K a day, with 1200 dying every day (where have the it's only a flu people gone btw?). Won't be long before it works through the entire population. And who's to say we won't get another variant and then it's a third serving of brain damage and organ damage.
 
So, don't think you got away with it just because you didn't get hospitalized. The only way to prevent that is vaccination.

I'm not sure how robust immunity from prior infection vs. vaccination is for omicron, but the real problem with relying on natural immunity is that one needs to get infected in the first place...vaccination offers a real shot at avoiding infection, or avoiding a symptomatic infection, without having to have a prior infection. This is what my in-laws cannot wrap their minds around, and why they'll keep getting sick until one of them finally dies...even then, I'm not sure they'd be able to face reality.
 
Huge medical fraud case was decided in the USA. Has direct bearing on Covid related fraud too.
This is really welcome to see, as there's so much nonsense being said about the pandemic, by people who need prosecution.


Guess who got duped by fake medical claims? And lost the most money?

It helped Theranos raise more than $900 million from savvy billionaires such as media mogul Rupert Murdoch and software magnate Larry Ellison, as well as well-to-do families such as the Waltons of Walmart and the DeVos clan behind Amway.

Holmes also wooed a well-connected board that included two former U.S. secretaries of state, Henry Kissinger and the late George Shultz: two former secretaries of defense, Gen. James Mattis and William Perry; former Sen. Sam Nunn; and former Wells Fargo CEO Richard Kovacevich. She charmed former President Bill Clinton in an on-stage presentation and impressed then-Vice President Joe Biden, who effusively praised her during a 2015 tour of a Theranos lab.

You have to observe the construction of the scam. Snowballing requires Big Names on your board, impressing anybody who takes a brief look, without understanding the science.
900 million USD thrown at rubbish get-rich-quick-by-magic. It is staggering in sheer size. Sort of makes you think of Star Cit certain other endeavours. It's pretty clear though, that money and power would like to buy brains. Lord knows, they sure need them.
 
That's what nearly all of us are trying to do, but those who don't take this pandemic seriously are making this far more difficult than it should, or would otherwise, be.
My point is that everyone is up in arms regarding C19 and yet there are 800 pound gorillas roaming the room next door.

as much as I would like to discuss the other points I will just leave it here as this forum is not the place to discuss it further.
 
This is unlikely to pose a threat, but there is a new variant out of the Cameroons.


Identified in South France. Highly unlikely to be competitive vs Omicron. US new case rate just crossed one million today. Actual number unknown.
I have colleagues over there, travelling to vax their kids, right into the eye of the hurricane. They are coming back with Omicron, sure as shoes.

We cannot get specialist cover easily anymore. 2 out sick with Covid. Security is out sick with Covid. Admin found a new foreign nurse for the ICU, paid me a bonus, and handed me a gift package this morning. Get the feeling they are trying to hold staff. People are absent because of isolation protocols too.

Told them I will quit when Omicron gets to be a problem, nevertheless. We are getting slammed with Delta still. Case/day have climbed to around 1000, which is comparable with US rates, suggesting Omicron is swelling the numbers and will burst out vertically in a week or so.
 
Global death rate is dropping as Omicron displaces Delta. Better than we could have hoped for, but in line with South African reports. We have to hand it to the quality of South African science.

French reports regarding the Cameroon variant, plus a tsunami of Omicron, have led to some hardening of anti-antivax positions, with Macron taking a laudable position today. BBC ran this headline-

Covid: French uproar as Macron vows to ' off' unvaccinated​

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People are getting really fed up with them.
 
Just feeling tired today. Death Snow came and went. No need to go out. Our Monday game night will be virtual again. Area medical facilities are overflowing with Omicron. Erring on the safe side.
 
Just feeling tired today. Death Snow came and went. No need to go out. Our Monday game night will be virtual again. Area medical facilities are overflowing with Omicron. Erring on the safe side.

2 weeks to go.
Covid surrounded us and tried to get in during ours.

Omicron is looking more like endgame to some for the pandemic, as the case count peaks.

Locally, they are mounting an investigation into "higher than expected death rates" - our services jumped from like 5-10 ICU beds per regional hospital run by trained staff to hundreds, staffed by med school grads on temp contracts. Of course the performance is going to match the quality of training.

We have a 3% death rate, 2.51% of unvaccinated vs 0.49% vaxxed. Those numbers are not too bad given the situation, and the proportions should improve as Omicron inflates the case count.
 
.. Macron taking a laudable position today. BBC ran this headline-

Covid: French uproar as Macron vows to ' off' unvaccinated​

Auto censor removes a word that rhymes with "diss". It's a BBC headline, don't blame me.
People are getting really fed up with them.


He better be careful with his statements, or they'll off his head next :LOL:
 
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The "fully vaccinated" line is not even the ones with the booster dose.
The "penetration" of Omicron through the vaccines seems really overblown, and the need for boosters in the ENTIRE population is questionable. It's pretty obvious where who the problem really is, and why we need to redefine how IQ tests work.
 
Self-isolation cut to 5 days in England as of today.
There was also a report in the Telegraph about Boris planning to scrap self-isolation altogether.
Early days on that story though but one to watch.
 
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The "fully vaccinated" line is not even the ones with the booster dose.
The "penetration" of Omicron through the vaccines seems really overblown, and the need for boosters in the ENTIRE population is questionable. It's pretty obvious where who the problem really is, and why we need to redefine how IQ tests work.
The vaccines works in this house, at least. I have two kids that are below vaccine age with Corona(98% chance of omicron), for the last week.
We are three vaccinated in the house as well. None of us have tested positive.
We don't even keep much distance or use masks, cause were stuck here anyway. 🤷‍♂️
 
Reports of a confirmed case of Omicron in Beijing.

The source of infection is unclear. Chinese authorities have suggested it came via overseas mail. Solitary case in the middle of a continent with no contacts. Covid virus isolated from the mail.

Seems unlikely, doesn't it?

The other explanation is they have community spread in Beijing, and this one sneezed on their letter themselves. The impact of Omicron in China will be something to watch, but we can expect draconian lockdown and repressive denial. It's unclear what immunity levels actually are vs Omicron in China, since they started 3rd doses of Sinopharm.
 
We finally got some quotable data out of MoH locally: usually it's an uninterpretable mash of numbers of the case counts over several days, and you can't even tell if the daily number is going down up or sideways.

Hinds said the death rate among vaccinated people is 93.6 per cent lower than the unvaccinated.

This figure is comprised of some Oxford- AZ, some Pfizer, and about half Sinopharm. The Sinopharm seems to have held up well. This bodes favorably for Omicron in China.

We do not have data on the ones who died and were vaxxed.

It is unclear what is happening in the US. Intelligencer reports-
Compiling data from New York City, Chicago, and Boston, what they found was — given everything we know about immunity and about Omicron — almost hard to believe. In each case, shifting the graphs by 21 days to account for the typical lag between diagnosis and death showed that the number of deaths was now growing almost precisely in line with case growth. In other words, in this data at least, there was been almost no “decoupling” between cases and deaths at all — to this point, in these places, the Omicron wave appeared on a per-case basis just about as deadly as last winter’s surge, when hardly anyone in the country was vaccinated and the virus itself was inherently more virulent than this variant.

We did predict that the younger South African population did not represent other countries, and it would be be worse there.

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Epidemiological models forecast is very favorable despite the negative data coming out of studies in major cities. Whenever there is a difference in what the Ph.D's say and what the actual experience is teling us, we have to consider how valid the model is. All we have to really go on is what happened in South Africa, and what is going on in Europe/UK now. Rapid collapse of the Omicron spike is so far universal.
 
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Trinidad and Tobago has reported its highest daily COVID-19 caseload with 1,259 additional persons registered positive on Friday.
Omicron is beginning to burst out of the Delta background. Once in awhile I call it right, mostly I flub predictions.

Meantime an irrational jokey group of local Evangelical Pastors have unmasked themselves as antivaxers. It's always exactly who you'd expect, isn't it? The other group are a bunch of former Islamic Isis recruiters, whose last stroke of brilliance was taking on the US military with second hand Toyota pickups and small arms because of the power of Prophecy that told them they'd win that fight.

Good, I say. We need less of them! (we already have very few Isisians left. Lead poisoning from M4s. Hoo-Rah. The Caliphate now Evaporate! Still, there are morons who listen to them. Terminally stupid, your average goat is smarter.)

Give them the permits to hold their unvaxxed sermons indoors just like before. Do exactly what they demand, and let them pray for healing. It is the perfect time! Peak Infection Brother!
All the hospitals are full of unvaxxed twits. Praise the Lord and pass the Plague!

I am the last doctor left at my centre. Everybody else isolated, or sick, or quit.
Working 24/7 call. Don't care anymore about the rights of the ignoranti.
 
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