Its not that big a threat. Boredom is probably the greatest risk right now for the vast majority of us.
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Its not that big a threat. Boredom is probably the greatest risk right now for the vast majority of us.
Scientists rank safest spots to run to if apocalyptic outbreak begins to wipe out humanity
SCIENTISTS have worked out the safest places for you to be if a sudden global pandemic threatens to wipe out humanity. They focused on islands because they are naturally isolated from the spread of…www.thesun.co.uk
Australia
New Zealand
Iceland
Malta
... are the top 4.
The safest place is hard to tell
The safest place is hard to tell
The stats are only as good as the testing criteria, testing methods, recording criteria and information sharing policies. No two hospitals are likely to be applying it the same let alone countries. The precautions you take matter more than your geographical location.
You are right the right statistics are much worse but you get some detailed info anyway
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Interesting side-observation :
COVID19 was officially classified as a CAT 3 Biohazard : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_hazard
However, CAT 3 Biohazards are normally characterized as
Bacteria and viruses that can cause severe to fatal disease in humans, but for which vaccines or other treatments exist.
Well, that's not the case for COVID19, scientists are frantically researching.
CAT 4 Biohazards are classified as
Viruses that cause severe to fatal disease in humans, and for which vaccines or other treatments are not available ... which is the case for COVID19 until a cure is discovered.
Just a weird detail I found, but as it stands COVID19 is officially ranked amongst things like Anthrax.
That alone should make you think twice about letting your guard down.
(just in case there's still someone thinking "it's just a flu" or something similar - you can refer such people to the Biohazard Classification then)
COVID19 was officially classified as a CAT 3 Biohazard : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_hazard
However, CAT 3 Biohazards are normally characterized as
Bacteria and viruses that can cause severe to fatal disease in humans, but for which vaccines or other treatments exist.
Well, that's not the case for COVID19, scientists are frantically researching.
CAT 4 Biohazards are classified as
Viruses that cause severe to fatal disease in humans, and for which vaccines or other treatments are not available ... which is the case for COVID19 until a cure is discovered.
Just a weird detail I found, but as it stands COVID19 is officially ranked amongst things like Anthrax.
That alone should make you think twice about letting your guard down.
(just in case there's still someone thinking "it's just a flu" or something similar - you can refer such people to the Biohazard Classification then)
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The safest place is hard to tell
The safest place ? Below ... if you are rich.
In the face of coronavirus, America of the rich is organizing itself… for itself. Abundant testing, exclusive hospitals, golden retreats… America remains more unequal than ever.
Doesn’t it make you feel all warm inside to watch videos of film stars hanging out in their private swimming pools, gyms and tennis courts telling everyone we are all in it together and we can get through this?The safest place ? Below ... if you are rich.
In the face of coronavirus, America of the rich is organizing itself… for itself. Abundant testing, exclusive hospitals, golden retreats… America remains more unequal than ever.
I believe that is because even though there is no vaccine, there are treatments that work on most cases. That's why Covid-19's mortality rate is low. Covid-19's biggest danger is it's contagium rate paired with the lack of resources to apply treatments to all the simultaneously infected with severe symptoms.
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Doesn't match my information. There is no treatment. Just working against the symptoms, which is a hit & miss and solely relies on the immune system of the infected.
All given medication either doesn't fight the virus itself or is highly experimental.
The ICU medics basically can only intubate, induce a coma and wait to see if the body is able to defeat the virus. Anything else? Experimental.
Scientists are right now getting fast-pathed clearances to or are in the initial progress of conducting clinical studies to evaluate candidates for treatment.
The first completed chinese study btw. disappointed and was deemed unsuccessful. Now other studies will hopefully do better but their results will still take many weeks to complete.
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The survival rate of serious cases with treatment vs. without treatment is vastly different.
The body cannot defeat the virus if it suffocates to death before it has a chance.
Keeping the blood oxygenated, by having patients breath pure oxygen, or in the worst cases, forcing it into their lungs with a ventilator, is the treatment for severe cases...and it's rather effective. This is not palliative care; the overwhelming majority of people who would die without this will survive with it.
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That's called "treating the Symptoms". Optimizing the survival chances, setting the best possible environment for this to happen. But that's it.
As it stands now, the immune System of the infected is the >only< thing that can kill the virus within the human body. That's the situation.
All the ICUs do is to give the human body the maximum possible amount of survival time and optimize the environment for this to happen. In many cases, the Virus still wins this long battle.
Injecting a substance that kills or sufficiently stalls the Virus would classify as a "treatment".
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It's the symptoms (particularly pneumonia) that are killing the people.
It's just semantics. Here in Dutch we wouldn't call it curative treatment as the cause of the illness is not being directly target, but 'caretaking' (rough translation) which nevertheless can greatly improve prognosis.
Anyway, I feel we all know what currently is and is not possible to do.
Anyway, I feel we all know what currently is and is not possible to do.
The definition of treatment you are using is narrow to the point of being false.
Medical treatment beyond first aid
Definition of medical treatment Medical treatment means the management and care of a patient to combat disease or disorder. Medical treatment includes: All treatment not otherwise excluded (below). Using prescription medications, [...]
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"Medical treatment means the management and care of a patient to combat disease or disorder."
Drugs are only one of many possible forms of treatment.
In the case of COVID-19, the primary treatments are supplemental oxygen and/or mechanical ventilation and they are very effective treatments.
Oxygen and ventilation also are not "only treating the symptoms". COVID-19 kills by inhibiting respiration and anything that increases respiratory efficiency is a treatment of that. It does not need to attack the pathogen directly to treat the disease. The pathogen is not the disease. Asymptomatic infected have the virus, but have no resulting disorder or dysfunction, and thus no disease.
This may seem nitpicky, but it's not. If you are dying of COVID-19, your are almost certainly dying of pneumonia and if you attack the SARS-CoV-2 virus in the late stages, but do nothing else, you're still going to die.
Semantics are important...it's literally what words mean.
Evidently, this is not the case.
Huge numbers of people fail to realize that an effective treatment for a severe case of COVID-19 is to be given oxygen and/or put on a ventilator. Such ignorance is behind the gross misunderstanding of how 'flattening the curve' saves lives, leads to needlessly fatalistic outlooks that drives foolish behavior and the dismissal of legitimate containment efforts as token platitudes.
That is known for a looong time as bi-lateral pneumonia.
But we somehow have to give it a new name to make it sound more scary, because you know - pneumonia sounds so bland...
True. This isn’t HIV. People recover if they can get past the peak of the symptoms.
The issue is that basically all those that get really ill, have other conditions as well. Many of them are already on other types of meds.
I am pretty sure Falcon does understand that, and was just clarifying there is no cure against the virus but instead the treatment of symptoms. Do keep in mind many if not most of us here are not native-English speakers, and terminology can differ in our respective languages. The number of respirators and/or ICU beds available/taken and prospects for the comings days are part of the daily news in most countries here, how essential they are is not lost on us.
This. Although Covid-19 is very contagious its just not that big a risk, airborn anthrax spores for example have a 90% fatality rate which is why its so popular as a biological weapon.
Its not the Covid-19 that would get you though its the secondary infections for which there are treatments but not necessarily the capacity.
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