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You don't need to, concentrate on area's with high symptoms test all hospital patients and staff. Work outwards from there.
Sure, and anybody who's followed the conversation fairly will see that I don't have a problem with that; if we have the test kits and can, great. My sentiment stems from the practical assessment that this will prove to be unrealistic from a supply/manpower standpoint, not from some perceived negativity towards testing.
 
The richest country in the world (?) being assisted by a single individual is an odd state of affairs, good for him though.
Ah, so back to scoring points then? This is a ghoulish attitude that I've been irritated by for a while now, but whatever floats your boat I guess.
 
Why the "to the USA of all Nations" comment?

Because healthcare workers in the USA report to their superiors, and publish via personal video, that they never thought it can happen in the USA that they, if they want to find out whether they are actually infected or not, are unable to get tested could happen in the USA . HealthCare professional in the USA are amazed by the State of things...and testing being paramount amongst those "things" .
 
If everyone knew how to survive independently of everyone else, and could be easily spooked into trying to survive in small self-sufficient groups, they'd quickly find out that the carrying capacity of this planet, without the various systems civilization has put in place, is about a tenth of the current population. There just isn't enough room or resources for billions of free-range humans. Consequently, people are way better off trying to keep their civilizations functioning than fussing over how to outlive them.



Competition often works best in a broadly collaborative environment, else you have disparate groups wasting time and resources needlessly repeating, if not sabotaging, each other's work.

It's a critical outlet for dissenting ideas that may prove valid, but pure competition is self-defeating.



I consider freedom of movement an intrinsic right of mine as a self-willed being, but exposing other's to contageous pathogens I may carry in close-quarters aboard a flying tin-can....not so much.
The assumption that those with natural survival skills will wander about in groups is an intrinsic weakness. Most soldiers or ex forces know well to avoid dragging along total dependents outside of their close family group. I'm all for the preservation of civilisation and a society of mostly useless folks...as long as they keep well away from me and mine ;)
 
I am sure you are perfectly aware you twist what I wrote . Please do me the courtesy of, if you quote me, quote my with my own words . Please.
Just read #1406 and you decide for yourself. I don't really care about the expressed sentiment or take offense, but lets not guild the lily, shall we? I don't mind aggression and even respect it...but passive aggressiveness is kind of sickening.
 
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The assumption that those with natural survival skills will wander about in groups is an intrinsic weakness. Most soldiers or ex forces know well to avoid dragging along total dependents outside of their close family group. I'm all for the preservation of civilisation and a society of mostly useless folks...as long as they keep well away from me and mine ;)

You underestimate how much I and my ukelele skills can contribute to group morale!
 
Because healthcare workers in the USA report to their superiors, and publish via personal video, that they never thought it can happen in the USA that they, if they want to find out whether they are actually infected or not, are unable to get tested could happen in the USA . HealthCare professional in the USA are amazed by the State of things...and testing being paramount amongst those "things" .
Ok, back to keeping score, got it. My common sense advice, since your opinion rests on the idea that America is sooo incompetent whilst the rest of the world is totally whipping this thing, would be to wait a while. If keeping score is your thing, at least recognize that we're a long ways from the final worldwide tally and perhaps where you call home is going to be right in the crap along with everyone else.

Yes, I know you are going to just fluff up your feathers in a show of outraged self righteousness and denial "What??? ME keeping score? How dare you!" but that is, in fact, what comments like that are doing, regardless of your inability to own it.
 
Ah, so back to scoring points then? This is a ghoulish attitude that I've been irritated by for a while now, but whatever floats your boat I guess.

No Jason its acknowledgement of the sheer size of the guys contribution, not an implied criticism of the nation he's helped.

I've served in tiny military posts and aboard ships for extended periods so I'm OK with confined spaces and the same old faces, I mean this in a nice way but I think you are getting a spot of cabin fever. Get out for a bit, stay away from other people but get some fresh air. Go stare at the horizon to get your perspective back take Mrs Barron and hold hands while you walk.
 
No Jason its acknowledgement of the sheer size of the guys contribution, not an implied criticism of the nation he's helped.

I've served in tiny military posts and aboard ships for extended periods so I'm OK with confined spaces and the same old faces, I mean this in a nice way but I think you are getting a spot of cabin fever. Get out for a bit, stay away from other people but get some fresh air. Go stare at the horizon to get your perspective back take Mrs Barron and hold hands while you walk.
Check a few posts above on my opinons on "passive" aggressiveness.
 
Tiny update: Belgium 'only' had eight confirmed deaths the past 24 hours. I suspect it is a statistical anomaly, ICU is rapidly filling up all the same. Sadly enough, one of the eight casualties was a 39-year old man with a four-month old baby. Started to feel flu'ish last week, joked with mates it might be corona. Situation rapidly declined in the last 24 hours, he was put in ICU but died hours later. No known pre-existing conditions.
 
I'll echo the sentiment posted earlier that those of us with survival skills will only need to be able to survive until a sense of normality resumes... as for dealing with injury or illness. I'm fortunate that I was our teams combat medic for a time...dealing with everything from peeing needles type complaints to sucking wounds of the chest and massive combat trauma events.

As a country boy, I learned growing up from both my grandparents on how to use herbs and plants not only as food but also as medicinal components, even the making of antiseptic poultices and the like...old skills and knowledge, now mostly died out due to the majority of civilsation not requiring them. These skills I passed down to my children to ensure they didn't die out with my generation as they more than likely have in society as a whole. As a soldier, I can deal with the emergencies...as a farmer, I also posess an uncommon skillset..also not generally required in an urban society...

That aside...I hope it never comes to it where society collapses to the point where I'll ever have to use those skills...seriously.
 
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Betting all on managing fully independent is romantic, but it’s extreemly vulnerable. If you get ill or wounded, you are basically lost.

This is par for the course for a lot of people already, even in developed areas, or at least the US.

I was uninsured for most of my adult life and went over twenty years without so much as a physical. Reliable access to professional medical treatment still feels like a luxury to me...it's things like running water and garbage disposal that first come to my mind as basic benefits of civilization.

Assuming that as an American citizen, you'll be allowed back into the country that is..... :LOL:

I just don't tell people when I leave or when I come back.

The assumption that those with natural survival skills will wander about in groups is an intrinsic weakness. Most soldiers or ex forces know well to avoid dragging along total dependents outside of their close family group. I'm all for the preservation of civilisation and a society of mostly useless folks...as long as they keep well away from me and mine ;)

Family groups are the groups I was referring to.

Anyway, keeping civilization nominally functional is the only way to keep all of those dependent on civilization for short term survival out of your business. Even if you could successfully conceal yourself from, or drive off/destroy, wave after wave of desperate refugees, I imagine it would get pretty tiresome.
 
I'll echo the sentiment posted earlier that those of us with survival skills will only need to be able to survive until a sense of normality resumes... as for dealing with injury or illness. I'm fortunate that I was our teams combat medic for a time...dealing with everything from peeing needles type complaints to sucking wounds of the chest and massive combat trauma events.

As a country boy, I learned growing up from both my grandparents on how to use herbs and plants not only as food but also as medicinal components, even the making of antiseptic poultices and the like...old skills and knowledge, now mostly died out due to the majority of civilsation not requiring them. These skills I passed down to my children to ensure they didn't die out with my generation as they more than likely have in society as a whole.

That aside...I seriously hope it never comes to it where society collapses to the point where I'll ever have to use those skills...seriously.

Sphagnum moss. Naturally antibacterial, excellent wound dressing, dry it for kindling and soft on your bum when the bog paper runs out.
 
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