The sloth could/should have been an habitat animal

[Marvinb]

I rather have one useable and functional monkey then one stuck in a way to large boy that wont have more then species anyways.
Just look at the sloth, if frontier would give us multiple exhibit tamarins they also would have given us both sloths to make everyone happy, but they didnt because butterfly wings are literally just 2D textures while a new sloth or literally any other animal needs a new Modell.
So sorry to break that illusion but if it isnt a literal reskin which tamarins cant be by the simple fact that they all have different morphological features that are instantly apparent with the lions mane, the emperors moustache and the cotton tops fuzzy hair, making them possibly the worst options for reskins as you cant have a maneless lion tamarin or a cotton top with a mane

Yeah i never really expected to get sets of 5 for the WE everytime from now on, just because we got it that one time doesnt mean its a given from now on. But i dont think that multiple tamarins for example are completely impossible since the butterflies actually do have more differences than their 2d wing textures, namely the bodies are different in each species. But tamarins would require more work than that for sure.
I could easily see scarlet and blue/golden macaws coming as a set one day since they are litteraly a color swap besides from minor tweaks

 

[SanRazo618]

OK, time to share my very unpopular opinion

I'm happy sloths are WE animals and I would have preferred koalas to be WE animals as well.

And I would be happy if we could get tamarins as WE animals if Frontier manages to make the looped animations a little more complex. It would especially be great if it means we could get 4-5 different species at once like we got 5 butterflies. I know this is probably never going to happen but just imagine getting golden lion tamarin + golden headed lion tamarin + emperor tamarin + cotton top tamarin as WE instead of just 1 of those 4 as an habitat animal. I would prefer the WE option with more species for sure.

Tamarins and koalas in the WE would be horrible. Tamarins especially they’re just way to active to be looped and stagnant. We’re really forgetting just how boring exhibit animals are… I’d much rather have janky tamarins than a stagnant one. The sloth being WE worried me because of this bad precedent it would set. The WE should be for birds which we desperately need. Tamarins and other semi active arboreal species should definitely be habitat animals.

 

[Veah]

The new dev's journal has a couple of paragraphs that are pretty much an answer to this thread.

 

[ReptoMin]

I know we can all discuss why sloths could be habitat animals because the mechanics could be tweaked or whatever but climbing mechanics of primarily arboreal species doesn't work half the time. The needs of sleeping, eating and drinking prevents these animals from being in a tree 90 percent of the time but rather only on average 40 percent of the time if one actually watches the animal behaviour rather than speculating what could happen. The sloth in the walkthrough exhibit was the right choice whether we like it or not

What you are saying is Ideal and I have nothing against it, but at the same time we already have Habitat Animals in the game that are Less Active than a Sloth in reality. I'm talking about Crocodilians. Even if you have 100s in a Lake like Zoo Exhibit or Breeding Farm, you'll notice none of them will be moving, no matter on Land or in Water, unless it is Feeding Time. If Crocodilians can be Habitat in PZ, I see no reason why Lethargic Mammals can't be if we are talking about Equal Treatment.

Truth is in captivity the two toed sloth is just as lethargic as the three toed.

That's probably just Time of Day or Bad Exhibit Design. All the Two-Toed Sloths I saw were very "Athletic" in Sloth terms. Definitely much more active than any Crocodilian you'd find in a Zoo. Documentaries can be deceiving, as they will only show the most interesting moments, like Nile Crocodiles ambushing Wildebeest, but they'll do that once or twice a year during Migration and then sit like a Rock for months.

Sloths are definitely less Lethargic than that, even Three-Toed. Speed and Lethargy should be evaluated differently.

Tamarins and koalas in the WE would be horrible. Tamarins especially they’re just way to active to be looped and stagnant. We’re really forgetting just how boring exhibit animals are… I’d much rather have janky tamarins than a stagnant one. The sloth being WE worried me because of this bad precedent it would set. The WE should be for birds which we desperately need. Tamarins and other semi active arboreal species should definitely be habitat animals.

If Flying Animals like Bats can be Exhibit Animals without looking Inactive in Midair, the same can be achieved for Marmosets and Tamarins I believe. Not that I'd prefer this over Habitat. But Frontier could decide they are too Small for Habitat. Especially their Young. If Adults have to be smaller than Baby PZ Capuchins, imagine how Small Baby Tamarins will be. If I remember correctly Baby Capuchins had to be made similar in size to Adults. The Size Difference wasn't much. That could actually be the Limit we have.

Just look at the sloth, if frontier would give us multiple exhibit tamarins they also would have given us both sloths to make everyone happy, but they didnt because butterfly wings are literally just 2D textures while a new sloth or literally any other animal needs a new Modell.

Also faster and different Animations, probably.

 

[FortressDoor]

The problem with comparing the sloths and crocodilians is that the crocs can be fast when they need too, sloths can't. The dev journal did a really good job addressing this. Habitat animals are built around moving towards their needs, such as hunger and thirst, and making sloths habitat animals would have made them do nothing but move towards food bowls. Crocodiles don't have that problem because they can move fast enough to get to their food without it being unrealistic, and can stay still at other points.

 

[SalamAnders]

They have literally implemented this chair in the game.
Must admit, I'm not a big fan of the design of the climbing structures for them.

 

[SanRazo618]

What you are saying is Ideal and I have nothing against it, but at the same time we already have Habitat Animals in the game that are Less Active than a Sloth in reality. I'm talking about Crocodilians. Even if you have 100s in a Lake like Zoo Exhibit or Breeding Farm, you'll notice none of them will be moving, no matter on Land or in Water, unless it is Feeding Time. If Crocodilians can be Habitat in PZ, I see no reason why Lethargic Mammals can't be if we are talking about Equal Treatment.


That's probably just Time of Day or Bad Exhibit Design. All the Two-Toed Sloths I saw were very "Athletic" in Sloth terms. Definitely much more active than any Crocodilian you'd find in a Zoo. Documentaries can be deceiving, as they will only show the most interesting moments, like Nile Crocodiles ambushing Wildebeest, but they'll do that once or twice a year during Migration and then sit like a Rock for months.

Sloths are definitely less Lethargic than that, even Three-Toed. Speed and Lethargy should be evaluated differently.


If Flying Animals like Bats can be Exhibit Animals without looking Inactive in Midair, the same can be achieved for Marmosets and Tamarins I believe. Not that I'd prefer this over Habitat. But Frontier could decide they are too Small for Habitat. Especially their Young. If Adults have to be smaller than Baby PZ Capuchins, imagine how Small Baby Tamarins will be. If I remember correctly Baby Capuchins had to be made similar in size to Adults. The Size Difference wasn't much. That could actually be the Limit we have.


Also faster and different Animations, probably.

The bats even look weird but they work because flight won’t look as obvious as climbing animations especially when there a lot of them. When bats are at rest or grounded they’re very still. And in flight it’s a very consistent and same movement whereas tamarins would have a ton of movements and variability in their climbing. On the issue of babies they usually do juveniles anyways so something slightly smaller could work and for us to have a baby prairie dog already it shouldn’t really be an issue. Plus it would be a good opportunity for them to add behaviors of babies clinging to their mothers

 

[Rowlie]

I understand some people find the predictable animation loop of exhibit animals calming, but I will never agree with the larger animals being used as exhibit animals on an infinite animation loop. It is very boring and goes against what attracted me to this game originally. I wanted to build a zoo with animals that felt alive. This means animals that interact with the environment that I build for them. These sloths are incapable of that, which is why I think they're so disappointing.

People can try and justify it if they want, but that doesn't change the way a lot of people feel in regards to exhibit animals. They're just decorations. Not really comparable to habitat animals, which interact with the environment we build for them. Habitat animals have always been and will always be the most popular aspect of this game. A majority of people buy Planet Zoo for the habitat animals and they want to see the animals interact with the environments they build for them.

If the devs converted any habitat animal to an exhibit animal a majority of people wouldn't be happy about it. I reckon 99% would see it was a downgrade. Habitat animals > Exhibit animals. If the sloth was added as a habitat animal it could have been given a smaller enclosure / space requirements to enable people to build their own small exhibits. Nothing about the exhibit the sloth is contained inside looks difficult to make. People could have made their own exhibits or their own enclosures through choice. That is the sort of freedom that encourages creativity and freethinking. Freedom should always be valued and encouraged over restrictions and control.

 

[ReptoMin]

The problem with comparing the sloths and crocodilians is that the crocs can be fast when they need too, sloths can't.

That was exactly my point, though. The comment I replied to talks about Lethargy, not Speed, so I discussed the difference between the 2 Concepts.

Crocodiles don't have that problem because they can move fast enough to get to their food without it being unrealistic, and can stay still at other points.

The problem with Crocodilians in the game is they don't Stay Still. They are constantly moving, probably to make them look Interesting Enough. Which takes away Believability. Sloths moving this much in terms of Frequency (Not Speed) would be more Realistic than Crocs.

Speed is another matter entirely, which isn't what I'm discussing. I believe it was the right decision to make Three-Toed Sloths Exhibit Animals, as their Speed wouldn't be enough for the Needs Marathon like the Dev Blog discusses. Although, I'm not convinced about Two-Toed, as these can be faster than a Tortoise when Climbing and are more efficient on the ground than Three-Toed. They can even lift their Bodies off the Ground when walking long distances. However if they are constantly on the ground for their Needs, that would be terrible.

And in flight it’s a very consistent and same movement whereas tamarins would have a ton of movements and variability in their climbing.

I guess it'd look like Zoo Tycoon 3 Mini Exhibits. The Monkeys there had some Variety to their Loops, but it wasn't enough in my opinion.

On the issue of babies they usually do juveniles anyways so something slightly smaller could work and for us to have a baby prairie dog already it shouldn’t really be an issue.

My point was even the Adults of Marmosets and Tamarins would have to be smaller than Baby PZ Meerkats, Prairie Dogs and Capuchins. When we look at the Babies of these 3 Animals, we can see that they don't want to go Smaller than a certain Size, making them almost Adult Sized. This might mean Adult Tamarins wouldn't be possible, let alone Babies, even if they were the same Size as their Adult Counterparts.

 

[DarthQuell]

What is the point of arguing about this? The devs aren't gonna change it and they even gave us explicit reasons why this was the best decision.

 

[sumcherish82]

Maybe frontier will give us two-toed sloth as habitat animal in the future. Now, we just enjoy new pack and appreciate frontier's great work.

 

[ReptoMin]

What is the point of arguing about this? The devs aren't gonna change it and they even gave us explicit reasons why this was the best decision.

I don't know what others are thinking but the purpose of my Replies is exactly what @sumcherish82 just said. There is indeed no point discussing why this particular Sloth we are getting tomorrow isn't Habitat. It won't change. And I agree it is much better as Exhibit. The question of Two-Toed remains.

 

[SalamAnders]

Discussing this might help getting some frustrations out for the people not satisfied with the sloth solution. Even if it doesn't change anything.

Better to get it out here, than bringing it up allover the forum whenever the sloth is mentioned.

Nothing wrong with disagreeing over something, as long as it is done in a good tone.

 

[DarthQuell]

The question of Two-Toed remains.

Knowing Frontier, likely it'll be a WE animal.
I wouldn't be against it, especially as the sloth I've seen at the zoo is 9/10 always in the same tree

 

[sumcherish82]

Knowing Frontier, likely it'll be a WE animal.
I wouldn't be against it, especially as the sloth I've seen at the zoo is 9/10 always in the same tree

if Two-Toed make as habitat animal, it will please everyone.

 

[DarthQuell]

if Two-Toed make as habitat animal, it will please everyone.

Yes, I'm just saying it'll seem kinda... Weird

It's like if we got a dwarf croc in an exhibit while the other crocs are habitat animals

EDIT: to clarify, I'm not saying I'm against it, necessarily. Just, it seems inconsistent, kinda odd

 

[Captain Callum]

Yes, I'm just saying it'll seem kinda... Weird

It's like if we got a dwarf croc in an exhibit while the other crocs are habitat animals

It's not gonna happen anyways, if we got one sloth in a WE , having the other as a habitat animal would just be weird and lead to more frustration directed to frontier why the old sloth isn't a habitat animal when the new one is.

It's as if everyone still believing in two toed sloths as a habitat animal didn't even read the dev journal, highlighting exactly what I said was going to happen

 

[ReptoMin]

Knowing Frontier, likely it'll be a WE animal.

Probably it will be. I wouldn't be super sad unless it has the exact Animation Loops, acting like a Three-Toed Sloth.

I wouldn't be against it, especially as the sloth I've seen at the zoo is 9/10 always in the same tree

That was the purpose of my Croc Argument. To show fellow forum members that there are other such Habitat Animals in the game right now. Ones that are even more Lethargic.

if Two-Toed make as habitat animal, it will please everyone.

Yes I agree. People who only want an Exhibit Sloth, will use Three-Toed. Ones who want Habitat will use Two-Toed. Others like me will use both! I might even make a Mixed Habitat-Exhibit with both Sloths.

 

[SalamAnders]

It's like if we got a dwarf croc in an exhibit while the other crocs are habitat animals

We got lizards both in the exhibit and in habitats, so I wouldn't say it is that weird.
The same goes for Testudines (turtles/tortoises)

 

[ReptoMin]

It's not gonna happen anyways, if we got one sloth in a WE , having the other as a habitat animal would just be weird and lead to more frustration directed to frontier why the old sloth isn't a habitat animal when the new one is.

It's as if everyone still believing in two toed sloths as a habitat animal didn't even read the dev journal, highlighting exactly what I said was going to happen

I think they are different enough. The Dev Journal says Tortoises are World Class Sprinters in comparison and that doesn't apply to Two-Toed in reality. People not happy the Old Sloth isn't Habitat will have to live with the Fact that the 2 Animals are just too different to be treated the same. I don't think people complained we received Exhibit Turtles when we have Habitat Tortoises.