Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Mk III

[Lateralus]

The only thing that hurts numbers in open at the moment is other players. If you want to encourage people in to Open play, deal with those players. Carrots only last as long as someone doesn't rip it from your teeth and spank your botty.

Let in game systems 'deal' with criminal players - not overly restrictive game mechanics that forbid certain play-styles. For example, if PvP bounty hunting tools were better, there would be less player-killers (or they would at least be more controlled). If you take options away from players, sales will fall and everyone loses as the devs will get starved of money.

I find it interesting that you say it would "hurt" open..please explain how it would hurt open and why open would need bonuses

The playerbase gets further split into different modes, which results in open play feeling emptier than ever.

With a periodically awarded bonus for time in open, players (especially traders) will be willing to take the risk and go back into open. How I see this bonus working is; every 25 hours of time in open, the player is awarded a 10% credit bonus of the money they earned in that 25 hour block.

 

[Toxic_Waster]

Nope, I didn't.

The laws I listed can all be used without the involved parties ever commiting to PvP after interdiction.

Activating an interdictor on someone can cause distress, so the criteria for Section 5 Public Order Act 1986(if their ship takes damage in the process you have Section 47 Assault, Offences Against the Person Act 1886).
By telling me you're going to harm me (aka, give me cargo or I will [insert threat]....), that is a Section 39 Common Assault, Offences Against the Person Act 1886. (Leading to a 47 (ABH), 20 (GBH with Intent), 18 (GBH) or Murder. Manslaughter is for spur of the moment / accidental cases, premeditated is S20 Assault or Murder - Should the shooting start due to the trader trying to run or the "pirate" not waiting etc....)

And of course the Harassment Act 1997 reads:
[h=3]Prohibition of harassment.[/h](1)A person must not pursue a course of conduct—
(a)which amounts to harassment of another, and
(b)which he knows or ought to know amounts to harassment of the other.

Also, trying to use badly worded American laws to justify actions within a game is a bit weird.
Though it was nice to try and recall all the British Laws, not thought about most of these for a while, good exercise for the mind

Distress? You can't be serious....

 

[Jockey79]

They sure do! So they dont get their own mode!

Erm, this is an "MMO" remember - so I should be ale to paly with random strangers.
You don't get to dictate that I cannot play with others if I don't play your way.

If that is the case, I'll go back to advocating full removal of Open mode, as PvP'ers can use private groups like PvE'ers have been forced to.

Fair is fair, if I cannot play open mode my way, why should you get it your way ?

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Distress? You can't be serious....

distress noun http://dictionary.cambridge.org/help/codes.html

UK US /dɪˈstres/

C1
a ​feeling of ​extreme ​worry, ​sadness, or ​pain:

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/distress

I know a few people who are sad at the thought of losing their ship and/or cargo.
Plus there are those who worry about it every time they undock, they are distressed by actions that may happen.

(not advocating, just saying it as it is)

 

[Deleted member 102790]

I care for them. I would track the potential target and wait for an hour if needed. What is it, but caring?

In my earlier days I tried the orthodox piracy with macros messages. 1 out of 10 complied. I was very polite btw. The credits were so puny I stopped bothering with it. I also need the different ship fitting for this. Now my keybindings are all for combat. I accept high risk engagements and no time to chat in most cases.

Your ego has deftly completely avoided the question. So basically people did not want to play with you = rejection doesn't it? So now you found a way to not be rejected, by not asking, so you can get what you want (feeling of power) at the expense of others (which you have stated you get off on)?

This is what you are saying, isn't it?

 

[Toxic_Waster]

Your ego has deftly completely avoided the question. So basically people did not want to play with you = rejection doesn't it? So now you found a way to not be rejected, by not asking, so you can get what you want (feeling of power) at the expense of others (which you have stated you get off on)?

This is what you are saying, isn't it?

We're talking about my ego now... I'm a pretty successful individual, of course as many I have the certain amount of rejection in my soul. I will not deny it. It's proven that the most maneating animals fall into this path by some sort of disfunction that does not allow them to function normally. I do enjoy this role of staying in the shadow though. I portray myself as the space ninja. It's possible that something karmic is coming out and also my failure to materialize this potential in my real life. I can talk more about should you express further interest, but most likely you just want to prove yourself that I'm a degenerate. I may as well be one. Here you go

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Erm, this is an "MMO" remember - so I should be ale to paly with random strangers.
You don't get to dictate that I cannot play with others if I don't play your way.

If that is the case, I'll go back to advocating full removal of Open mode, as PvP'ers can use private groups like PvE'ers have been forced to.

Fair is fair, if I cannot play open mode my way, why should you get it your way ?

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distress noun http://dictionary.cambridge.org/help/codes.html

UK US /dɪˈstres/

C1
a ​feeling of ​extreme ​worry, ​sadness, or ​pain:

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/distress

I know a few people who are sad at the thought of losing their ship and/or cargo.
Plus there are those who worry about it every time they undock, they are distressed by actions that may happen.

(not advocating, just saying it as it is)

I still can't believe you're applying real world piracy laws towards the computer game. I hope you're trolling...

 

[Lateralus]

If that is the case, I'll go back to advocating full removal of Open mode, as PvP'ers can use private groups like PvE'ers have been forced to.

Removing open would kill the game for everybody as a massive part of the player base would stop supporting it, rendering it unprofitable.

 

[Jockey79]

I still can't believe you're applying real world piracy laws towards the computer game. I hope you're trolling...

How quickly you forget your own words;

I'm applying the laws of the modern society: if there is no state regulation by default it's already encouragement.

You brought the law in to this to justify your game play and point of view (aka your actions are "encouraged" because "the law" says so)
No need to be sour and try to fake not knowing why you're down this rabbit hole just because I'm winning

 

[Asp Explorer]

Removing open would kill the game for everybody as a massive part of the player base would stop supporting it, rendering it unprofitable.

Hardly. Removing Open would only kill the game for those people determined to kill others in Open. Removing Solo wouldn't kill the game for Solo players, they'd just go into groups of one, but be rather annoyed with FD. If Groups were removed, a lot of people would be annoyed, and then learn how to make the game Group or Solo for them anyway, at no detriment to their play.

The only possible detriment, is to those determined to just kill other players in Open - and as it stands, Solo and Group players hold all the aces in when, and where, they want to play with random people in Open.

 

[Roybe]

Removing open would kill the game for everybody as a massive part of the player base would stop supporting it, rendering it unprofitable.

I would posit that at the outside chance that no more than 10% of the players are PVP players. Based on industry figures of PVP players of many games.

Switches away from PVP and towards PVE only have generally increased the revenues of games....as well as helped the overall environment of those games to be more acceptable to the larger number of PVE players.

So, no, it would not 'kill the game' or make it unprofitable. It would, if history has been a guide, allow it to thrive and last years without the rancor that PVP causes between the PVP and PVE communities of any given game.

 

[Jockey79]

Removing open would kill the game for everybody as a massive part of the player base would stop supporting it, rendering it unprofitable.

And you can back up that claim I take it?

No one is being stopped from playing the game, anyone can create a private group and have it as auto join or as invite only.

You're also ignoring the history of Elite / Frontier / Frontier 2. The Kickstarter, the DDA.
The game will do just fine with those who have supporting it from the very start.

 

[Toxic_Waster]

How quickly you forget your own words;



You brought the law in to this to justify your game play and pint of view (aka your actions are "encouraged" because "the law" says so)
No need to be sour and try to fake not knowing why you're down this rabbit hole just because I'm winning

Not really, but I'm relieved after your post . I didn't mean to transfer the real laws into the game, but the paradigm that what's not prohibited is encouraged.

 

[Roybe]

The playerbase gets further split into different modes, which results in open play feeling emptier than ever.

Wait until you see what Horizons is going to do on this front!

 

[Deleted member 102790]

I am not trying to label you (though I can see why you might think that). Your guess as to my motives are far off.

You still have avoided the question completely again though toxic_waster so I will leave this thread and you alone now.

Good luck.

 

[Toxic_Waster]

Hardly. Removing Open would only kill the game for those people determined to kill others in Open. Removing Solo wouldn't kill the game for Solo players, they'd just go into groups of one, but be rather annoyed with FD. If Groups were removed, a lot of people would be annoyed, and then learn how to make the game Group or Solo for them anyway, at no detriment to their play.

The only possible detriment, is to those determined to just kill other players in Open - and as it stands, Solo and Group players hold all the aces in when, and where, they want to play with random people in Open.

Can't agree here. Based by this poll 46% of the players are interested in Open PVP and oppose creating the separate Open PVE mode. Removing Open as its is will cause the significant reduction of the player's base and future sales. They will not adapt, but move to the other titles. Hopefully FD understands it.

 

[Cowboy Bats]

So this is your own unique psychological state. Why other gamers should be measured by it?

Because forced to choose between me and thee, I choose me. You enjoy being a bully (by your own admission), and I loathe bullies. There truly is no single game mode where we can abide side by side, hence the need for an open pve. Personally, it's not that important to me as I'm quite content with solo, but I'm aware that there are decent empathetic people who want to play amongst others without conflict, and being the sort of fellow I am, I feel compelled to advocate on their behalf.

 

[Toxic_Waster]

I am not trying to label you (though I can see why you might think that). Your guess as to my motives are far off.

You still have avoided the question completely again though toxic_waster so I will leave this thread and you alone now.

Good luck.

I don't mind the discussion. Please rephrase your question and I'll answer to the best of my abilities.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Can't agree here. Based by this poll 46% of the players are interested in Open PVP and oppose creating the separate Open PVE mode. Removing Open as its is will cause the significant reduction of the player's base and future sales. They will not adapt, but move to the other titles. Hopefully FD understands it.

Indeed - but you are looking at a poll with merely 49 clicks on your preferred option - in a poll that was gently caressed by Reddit and abruptly closed, if memory serves.

 

[Toxic_Waster]

Because forced to choose between me and thee, I choose me. You enjoy being a bully (by your own admission), and I loathe bullies. There truly is no single game mode where we can abide side by side, hence the need for an open pve. Personally, it's not that important to me as I'm quite content with solo, but I'm aware that there are decent empathetic people who want to play amongst others without conflict, and being the sort of fellow I am, I feel compelled to advocate on their behalf.

Let's restrain from labeling each other. It's the only way to keep this discussion civil. You're claiming you're advocating for the PVP targets in Open. You also claim they want the separate mode. From what I hear it's people who already play Solo want the separate Open PVE mode and I tend to assume that Open players are completely aware of the risk they're facing and are content with it.

 

[Cowboy Bats]

Can't agree here. Based by this poll 46% of the players are interested in Open PVP and oppose creating the separate Open PVE mode. Removing Open as its is will cause the significant reduction of the player's base and future sales. They will not adapt, but move to the other titles. Hopefully FD understands it.

Yeah, yeah, and if FD doesn't cater to the pvp crowd the game will wither and die. Heard that a year ago, FD left solo and groups as they are and the game is still going on. Same would happen with open Pve. Those who want open pvp would still choose it, and those who don't, still wouldn't. No change, but it would be that much easier for new players and the unforumed to find community pve than it is now.

 

[Toxic_Waster]

Indeed - but you are looking at a poll with merely 49 clicks on your preferred option - in a poll that was gently caressed by Reddit and abruptly closed, if memory serves.

Of course the number is not accurate. Could be more, could be less, but in any case you're talking about messing with hundred thousands players.