Wow.. desperate and reaching much? At no point did I say I was against PVP, INFACT I've made sure to say that even though I don't participate I have nothing against PVP. My issue is with griefers and if you had quoted what I was replying to you would have see where I was talking about was PVP incentives to entice griefing by providing targets.
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Wow.. desperate and reaching much? At no point did I say I was against PVP, INFACT I've made sure to say that even though I don't participate I have nothing against PVP. My issue is with griefers and if you had quoted what I was replying to you would have see where I was talking about was PVP incentives to entice griefing by providing targets.
I tried piracy for a week against AI a long time ago, and I do value your opinion as a proper pirate.
When I get Pirated by AI I rarely see any police help, next time I will take a few hits and run for a while, if I get AI police turning up quickly to help me I will come back and give my opinion, I hope you are correct. I tend to turn around and melt the AI that pull me out of SC, next time I will slow down and see how it pans out.
From that statement, if he's anti anything, Mouse is against adding rewards for meaningless PvP. The psychotic, sociopath blatting any and every ship he can. No piracy, no interaction, no faction, -no reason at all-, just for the laughing and causing misery for other people.
Honestly, I can't imagine any system would want to incentivise that. If your reason for killing is -winning-, then your reward is -you won-. If your reason for killing is -it makes them cry-, then your reward should be to sit with the other berks on the naughty step. I, and I dare say I expect most people- wish not to give sweets to bullies.
There's a huge gulf between mindless bullies transgressing every virtue and PvPers - arguing against the existence or support of bullies and abuse does not automatically mean that a person wants PvP gone.
Lol really? "accepting", I thought you were trying to change stuff, silly me I got all confused again, I thought you wanted to split the modes and BGS, but if you accept it now then its all good.
, welcome to the club, we have cookies, Bacon and Cats, help yourself.
Awww - have a hug.
Atak2, maybe you have something to add to the debate. Going after one other poster for their opinion doesn't enlighten anyone.
Maybe you could answer one of the questions I posted for you? Do you think there is enough open-only players around to support their own, separate BSG/PP?
Then why is Open considered so barren now? I hear it all of the time. Where does your impression come from. I just don;t see the BSG/PP being a major concern to the open-only crowd.
I told him, he wouldn't bloody listen!, they do the same thing with Iron Mouse, stir him up and hide in non Iron Mouse mode! without even giving him a biscuit, they are bad, bad people.
I agree, it has been quite civil in here for a while, I think you might have tempted fate, if we get a messy merge in the next 346 minutes its your fault, and I can prove it! using both bacon and cats (ok I can't prove a thing but it might be funny to try it, or maybe not)
Someone get some Bacon or Cats here, this is serious!
Indeed. So say I were to not play things your way? Am I griefing you by being good at escaping? Am I griefing you by playing in a group and teaching friends how controls work? Am I griefing you by playing the tutorials for fun? Am I griefing you by enjoying solo mode hi-res screenshots? Am I griefing you by being out of your instance? Am I griefing you by possibly being better than you at the game? Am I griefing you by not playing when you do? Am I griefing you by blowing myself up for lulz when interdicted by wings? Am I griefing you, in short, by doing anything at all in-game that you don't agree with?
Answers on a postcard please!
Have you actually read anything or are you just making crap up as you type to try and inflame people? At NOT point have I say anyone who doesn't "play" my way is a griefer. I've said it before anyone who's sole purpose is to mess with others is a griefer. Your the one who complains when we go slightly off topic, yet where in your failed attacking of me are you acctually discussing the topic? Or is it only ok to go off topic when you do it?
Yup - and this is not their game. You want to pew-pew players? Go for it - they will get rid of you one way or the other. You want to take over systems? You can't. Only Powers can - so welcome to Powerplay and it's effort.
Elite isn't a game about players vs players - it's about players vs the game.
Camaraderie would form internally, with loyalty only to the group and to the ideals (or area of space) that they wish to impose on anyone they can. That fractures space, leads to restriction of freedom for any player that doesn't agree to the terms of the group and leads to a virtual state of war versus anybody outside of each group. The method you seem to prefer would cause players to directly impact and limit the play of other, even if they do not take part in whatever other competition the groups do. It removes choice. The method we have does not force anyone into situations where they are directly affected, only if they so choose to be affected.
If players want to PvP, they absolutely can do. They can find combat zones, they can fight 4v4 (well, server issues aside, that is...) they can pre-arrange fights, they can add all sorts of reinforcements and structure around it to add to the battle that they're hopefully enjoying. What they can't do is dominate and impose their will onto other players without consent. I see that as an incredible plus.
Consent is good. Choice is good. I'm pro choice and pro consent and PRO CONSENTING PVP. Competition is good, if it's put into a situation where competition does not exert direct power over unwilling people. Exerting power over unwilling people often becomes bullying, leads to resentment and is ultimately detrimental to the game in the long term.
With all of that, I believe you prove my point. Splitting the BSG ( I'm using BSG to mean the BSG and PP mechanic together to save keystrokes) wouldn't offer any of that. It would just mean a smaller community supporting the exact same mechanics you say drive away competitive players now. So, just what benefit can you see in a smaller chunk of the players with their own BSG would attract those players? I don;t see it.
The player retention and longevity of every single PvP-based MMO ever released just called. They would like to have a word with you about how they have never ever been even a gnat's burp in comparison to the profit that PvE games make. I'm sorry to have to break it to you, but PvP MMOs with any kind of consequences are a ludicrously tiny market compared to virtually every other half-decently made MMO or persistent game.
As I said, you could go and have your PvP battles and set up your very own private groups with competition and battle and all sorts of rules to encourage large battle, piracy, virtual control over space... But expecting every other mode to hand over the background sim just so a few people can pew pew in it without any influence from outside is... unrealistic, at best.
They already have it. They can go form their own 'virtual' empires, set up websites, declare some neutral space out of the bubble as their playground, instigate rules about travel and freedom (admittedly on the honour system). They could play two empires against each other. They could do almost anything they want in the grand dungeons and dragons sandbox style. If I were of a mind, I could run a pretty amazing "PvP" game out in Elite, it just requires a lot of people willing to contribute and play by the rules, instead of by free-for-all.
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Excellently put.
As an aside to the whole camaraderie thing - you can tell when posters have been in fun groups, good groups, professional groups, n00b groups, and just-for-the-hell-of-it groups.
Drunks of Sol approve!
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So you are not up for any discussion, you have your idea of what is right and your going to try and force FD to see things your way no matter how most people feel? Well that explains your character assassination attempts on those who are outspoken against you.
I see what you want. But, I don;t believe a split BSG, with the mechanics we have now, would offer any of that. Do you see what I mean? The bean counting would still have to be done. Players would still have to cart pamphlets around. Nothing would change except that the BSG would be influenced by a smaller chunk of the community. It sounds like you just don;t want to accept influence to the BSG unless you can shoot at it.
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Each and every point totally bypassed by the ability to change modes - or for naughty players to lulzbann opponents. You want to get rid of the P2P system? You can - just empty your wallet over here.
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