Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Mk III

Do you want a Open PvE

  • Yes, I want a Open PvE

    Votes: 54 51.4%
  • No, I don't want a Open PvE

    Votes: 49 46.7%
  • I want only Open PvE and PvP only in groups

    Votes: 2 1.9%

  • Total voters
    105
  • Poll closed .
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Robert Maynard

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Harking back to what the developers said over and over is an appeal to authority, and in the context of a discussion is irrelevant when we are discussing the merits of one thing or another.

Referring to verified quotes by the developer about the game is not an "appeal to authority" - it's drawing attention to published information.
 
Referring to verified quotes by the developer about the game is not an "appeal to authority" - it's drawing attention to published information.

It is an appeal to authority argument, and it's trying to end the debate without discussion. Which is all we are doing here.

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If there's a particular way of playing a game that some people won't enjoy, it shouldn't be compulsory.

Cheers, Phos.

When did I mention compulsory anything?
 
LOL, yeha this totally kills the efficiency/person

Because efficiency matters to you, you assume that it matters to every player of the game. You need to realise that it's not the case. This is a game, it's about fun and if being inefficient is fun, then it is what it is. I'm currently smuggling in a stealth Cobra, I could add far more to my 1 billion in assets by doing it in an Anaconda or a Python but the shieldless Cobra is fun and this is a game I play for fun. The main reason this thread exists is that a vocal minority are convinced that only there are playing the game the "right" way, everyone else is "wrong" and CMDR Princess Stampyfoot will be heard. Again and again.

Iand it's trying to end the debate without discussion.

There's a debate? When did that sneak in?
 
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How does advertising make something fair? It would be more fair because people can't turn invisible and undermine your work. And I guess it's really not about fairness, it would just be more interesting and fun. It doesn't hurt solo players in any way.

It's fair to inform people what they are buying before they buy it - which Frontier have done. Arguing after the fact and demanding changes is not fair to Frontier who did their part and told you what you were buying and it is not fair to those who did read up on it and like what they bought.

You cannot "turn invisible" in this game, it is not Star Trek Online, no one is a Klingon ;)

"interesting and fun" is subjective - what you like, I may not. I do like that I can choose who to play with (as advertised) - you do not so it seems, go figure

And you have no idea what will or will not "hurt" solo players, neither do I - as I use all modes.

Harking back to what the developers said over and over is an appeal to authority, and in the context of a discussion is irrelevant when we are discussing the merits of one thing or another.

What discussion?

All I see is demands for something the Devs said again and again will not happen. They want 1 BGS and support mode switching.
It's an exercise in futility to keep harking you want another BGS - and by quoting the Devs I'm trying to help people to come to terms with the simple truth... the Devs said no all ready.

I've said a few times now, and I keep getting ignored - there are ways to fix problems with the game without touching the modes or BGS - but some people just want to blame the BGS for everything and not actually fix the games problems.
 
How does advertising make something fair? It would be more fair because people can't turn invisible and undermine your work. And I guess it's really not about fairness, it would just be more interesting and fun. It doesn't hurt solo players in any way.

Harking back to what the developers said over and over is an appeal to authority, and in the context of a discussion is irrelevant when we are discussing the merits of one thing or another.

And you know I can't speak for other people so bringing up what other people said is irrelevant, I can't speak for them, nor explain what they said, ask them. I'm in no way connected to those people or their thoughts.

No...it's not:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html

Basically, if Neil DeGrasse-Tyson, makes a claim about economics...and expects people to believe him because he is an astrophysicist...that is an appeal to authority.

Stating the factual statements of the owners of the game that the design will not be changed...is a factual statement to someone expressing a personal opinion.
 
So you agree that people should be able to play in their way, in a mode of their choice, without having to meet other people?

Cheers, Phos.

As long as they cannot impact the BGS seems to be the condition being set.

Which has an upside, as a none open trader.... if my trades don't impact the BGS... I won't be forcing prices down, neither would anyone else in solo. Wonder how fast 1 trade route would spring up as "thee" trade route for solo, where we all earn silly money and because of no impact on the BGS, it would be a fixed high profit for everyone :)
 
As long as they cannot impact the BGS seems to be the condition being set.

Which has an upside, as a none open trader.... if my trades don't impact the BGS... I won't be forcing prices down, neither would anyone else in solo. Wonder how fast 1 trade route would spring up as "thee" trade route for solo, where we all earn silly money and because of no impact on the BGS, it would be a fixed high profit for everyone :)

I would be leading that charge!
 
No...it's not:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html

Basically, if Neil DeGrasse-Tyson, makes a claim about economics...and expects people to believe him because he is an astrophysicist...that is an appeal to authority.

Stating the factual statements of the owners of the game that the design will not be changed...is a factual statement to someone expressing a personal opinion.

In the context of whether or not a seperate bgs is fair interesting or fun it most certainly is.

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Why should we disbelieve what Frontier themselves have said?

.... and this debate will probably last as long as the game does.

If fd has answered then what are any of you doing here? Close the thread or just paste that after any comment. If you want to discuss the merits of something let's do that and not repetitively try and distract the conversation.
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
If fd has answered then what are any of you doing here? Close the thread or just paste that after any comment. If you want to discuss the merits of something let's do that and not repetitively try and distract the conversation.

Frontier have stated that the single shared galaxy state is a core feature of the game from the outset and have stressed its importance in more recent announcements (XBox One release).

Some players disagree with this and seek to attempt to sway the developers (quotes in the OP).

Frontier have not changed their stance.
 
If fd has answered then what are any of you doing here? Close the thread or just paste that after any comment

The single purpose of this thread is the dumping ground for all the threads started on the same subject that would otherwise clog up the forums. I'm only in here because of the Docking Computer - what's your excuse?
 
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