They do it because they have to in order to compete.
Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].
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And they still do it when they know that it makes them less effective. Because they value winning directly against competition - PvP - more highly than simply winning. It's already worth more to them.
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In essence the choice is there.
Let's take Conflict Zones. Do you prefer to have a more crowded CZ or player intaction. Due to the way the game is set up you can't have both. It's not as if the game has been designed for Solo players to have an easier time of it (indeed it's looking like FDev want to build a dedicated PvP game for reasons I won't go into). But as of right now you have a choice on what you want to value more, credits for combat bonds or player interaction.
What you're saying is that Solo players, who forgo player interaction as is their choice, should suffer penalties because you do. Isn't that a little spiteful?
Two kids go to a Burgerking. One gets chips, the other gets a burger. They both eat and enjoy their meal. But the one who had the burger notices the kid with chips had a few extra chips on his plate than he otherwise would. At this point the kid who had the burger demands that changes be made in future so that chips only be sold in regulation sizes, to be no bigger in size than his burger.
I see a lot of that here.
No its more like two people go to BK and one orders a burger and fries, the other hates burgers, so he just gets fries. For some reason, the second guy gets twice as many fries, despite paying the same, and getting the same type of fries. Should the person not get same amount of fries because he also likes burgers? Should a person have to forgo a burger if he wants to have the same amount of fries.
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No, because the second kid isn't getting the benefit of the burger, is he?
Dad: "Hey Tim, Mark, you both want burger and fries? No Mark you don't like burgers? Double fries then?"
Tim: "NO! Or I want double fries too!"
Dad: "Ok Tim, you can have double fries as well. That's two double fries"
Tim: "NO! I still want the burger and double fries!"
Dad: "Why?"
Tim: "Because Mark is getting them and I don't want him to!"
Dad: "But you're getting a burger and Mark doesn't like..."
Tim: "AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!"
This made me laugh but I ran out of +rep.
The way I see it is that you get the same amount of fries but the burger knocks some of them off the plate.
I see the fact we aren't locked into a choice as among the greatest advantages of the system ED made, though
Dad: "Hey Tim, Mark, you both want burger and fries? No Mark you don't like burgers? Double fries then?"
Tim: can I have double fries too? I love fries.
Dad: That sounds fair, I'll just get you.....
Mark: No!!! Fries are my thing, tim has his burger.
Dad: You can have a burger too.
Mark: No I don't want a burger.
Tim: Well then, why can't I have double fries?
Mark: look, fries are my things, you have your burger, eat your burger and stop asking for more fries.
Tim: You can have a burger too, the burger doesnt matter.
Mark: Of course it does. You have a burger and I don't.
Dad: you want a burger? I'll get you one.
Mark: I don't want a burger, I just want fries.........and for tim to not have as many fries as me.
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But Tim can have double fries. Tim just can't have double fries and a burger. You can't just give kids everything they want, or they end up fat. It seems to me Tim wants to have everything Mark wants, but Tim wants to also have his own special thing that Mark is forgoing. Even if Tims special thing is just the same as what Mark has, only more of the same, he doesn't want Mark to have one tiny bit more. Even if it costs more and Tim takes disproportionately more resources than Mark from their dad.
Tim is rather spoilt, no?
Then simply eat your fries mate, I'll have my burger. How about just going ahead and play open, that's what you want, why don't you just do it, and ignore what other players are doing.
I think what is happening here is an all out press for one group of the player base to impose there will on the other. They can't do that in game, so there trying to do it right here. Well it is FD's game! If they decide to drink the coolade there's nothing we can do about it except voice our opinion.
At this point I think we need to have 2 new modes. An open mode that is PVP based, and an Open mode for PVE, along with the other 2 modes. These pundents of player interaction, and an open separate mode should indeed get what they want by all means, Give em there own mode, Isolated from everything else. Give them there separate CG's. Let them live and thrive. But when players don't flock there in mass, and they will not! We all will be right back here arguing all over again.
These people have a clear agenda. They are trying to prove to FD that there system is broken and will not survive if they do not force every single player into the open mode. Rally the troops, the full court press is coming. We've just seen the beginning of this.
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So your saying that the Solo and Group crowd should be forced to open to compete, yes.
he wrote that much to end up with the same dead argument ;p
I view the whole situation where in one side, the crows are trying to peck at your food. On the other side, you have your friends trying to touch your food and minimal to no crows. Finally, you have another side where everyone is trying to touch the food, Crows and People alike. Stop touching the man's food, I don't know where yo naaassstty hands have been.
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Allot of you are all focused on "choice"... What's wrong with the choice of two characters? One that functions the way it does now that can move between solo/group/open. The other character would be restricted to a separate "open only" simulation... There, now we have some real choice... People that want a more "genuine" sandbox experience have that option, and people that wish to have more variation in terms of picking game modes have that option as well...
Are we talking about the same thing here? Don't worry mate, I'm not going anywhere. We will be entertaining each other here for quite a bit. I'm clearly not the forum warrior you are, but I'll get my message across, you can count on that.
Your nothing special, your just another player, just like me. Oh by the way I was a card carrying member of the Goons for about 6 years, so I have a pretty good idea who you are. Just FYI.
It's not tims own special thing, mark has the option too, he just doesn't like burgers. He chooses not to get a burger and then complains if tim gets the same amount of fries. That's like having your cake and not eating it, then complaining because you didn't get any cake.
To keep torturing this metaphor, the fries and burger should be two separate choices, the amount of one should not prevent the other.
Tim may be greedy to ask for both a burger and double fries, but mark is worse for adamantly defending agaisnt something that shouldn't matter to him in the slightest. He'll still have his double fries, and choice of a burger. Now Tim will also have double fries and a choice of a burger, he'll just actually take the burger.
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No, Mark isn't complaining at anything. Tims the one throwing a tantrum because Mark had more fries, even though Tim had a burger. Mark is happy with the way things are now.
I should also point out that this family need more fruit and veg, so go play Grand Theft Auto for a bit.
Are we talking about the same thing here? Don't worry mate, I'm not going anywhere. We will be entertaining each other here for quite a bit. I'm clearly not the forum warrior you are, but I'll get my message across, you can count on that.
Your nothing special, your just another player, just like me. Oh by the way I was a card carrying member of the Goons for about 6 years, so I have a pretty good idea who you are. Just FYI.
We'll I know someone who isn't going to have a goldmine. Game's about fun yo, I don't care if you're a goon or not, if you want to have fun with me, hell, I'm down. Heh heh HEH.
And if you are, you should know what we're about: Having a gooooood tiimmeeee, not take things seriously, fuuunnnnn
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Can we give the burgers fries thing a rest. please. Your making me hungry and I'm on a pretty serious diet. lol
You may see it that way, but I don't. I see it as tim asking for the same amount of fries and mark throwing a temper tantrum to stop it.
To be fair, if you want the money and the ability to talk to / play with other real people, groups can satisfy that. The only thing that Open allows that a group will not fulfill is non consensual PvP. You could arrange a group where a group of Pirates prey on traders. You just need to get traders to join that group.
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