Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].

[W0OCQCK]

We'll I know someone who isn't going to have a goldmine. Game's about fun yo, I don't care if you're a goon or not, if you want to have fun with me, hell, I'm down. Heh heh HEH.

I don't want a gold mine! If there is one thing that flying a Titan has taught me is, is that I do not need that kind of pressure in my gaming these days. I just want to get me an exploring Asp, and head out to no where. I know not something you and others like you are interested in. You see I like trying new things, turning over a new leaf, broadening my horizons.

You see I've had 10+ years of the type of game play your promoting here. I'm tired of it. I'm not trying to speak for you or anyone else here, I would just like to try something new. I'm very much looking forward to exploring this beautiful galaxy these folks have created.

I have no interest in even knowing people like yourself any more. But I will be here for your amusement, I promise you that.

I'm a former goon, just wanted to make sure you know that. I also know your fun came at other players expense, and what you think is funny are always what we call a one way joke. Your laughing, someone else is almost always on the receiving end of what you think is funny. No offense meant, I just know exactly what you are, and what your about.

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

To be fair, if you want the money and the ability to talk to / play with other real people, groups can satisfy that. The only thing that Open allows that a group will not fulfill is non consensual PvP. You could arrange a group where a group of Pirates prey on traders. You just need to get traders to join that group.

Yea, good luck getting traders to join that group. I'm not worried about that, at least I don't have any problem finding anyone to pirate.

I was more talking about CGs and eventually power play. That's the area that, imo needs the most work. When one mode has less potential influence, it's a problem.

 

[DarkWalker]

Allot of you are all focused on "choice"... What's wrong with the choice of two characters? One that functions the way it does now that can move between solo/group/open. The other character would be restricted to a separate "open only" simulation... There, now we have some real choice... People that want a more "genuine" sandbox experience have that option, and people that wish to have more variation in terms of picking game modes have that option as well...

Add a new "Open Only" mode to use with the extra character slot — so the current players can still freely switch between solo, group, and the original Open mode with their already existing character — and I can agree.

Do it by putting a wall around the current Open mode, making current players unable to switch between Solo/Group and Open, and I will be completely against.

I don't think you would like the result, though. I don't think there are enough players wanting that mode to make the galaxy seem populated.

 

[SteveLaw]

You may see it that way, but I don't. I see it as tim asking for the same amount of fries and mark throwing a temper tantrum to stop it.

Boys, boys, you can both have $2 to spend. Fries cost $1, burgers cost $1. What do you want?

Player interaction costs $2, lack of player interruption costs $2.

 

[Faded Glory]

Yea, good luck getting traders to join that group. I'm not worried about that, at least I don't have any problem finding anyone to pirate.

I was more talking about CGs and eventually power play. That's the area that, imo needs the most work.

Yeah. CG's and possibly PP will continue to dominate the arguments here. To be honest, none of that stuff interests me anyway, I just like to fly my spaceships around and do my own thing However, it wouldn't be out of the question for FD to set up groups with rules (such as you may only fire on a CMDR from an opposing faction), and anyone wanting to participate in CG joins that group, and that is where it is played. Everyone would get what they want, company, transparency, and no killing outside of the prescribed role play.

I'm glad you have enough players to pirate in Open, really. From what I see of you here on the forum, it seems that you and Distance (and I'm sure others) play the game just as FD envisioned it. Unfortunately plenty of people coming to this thread trying to argue on your side are blatantly just looking for easy fresh meat to play with.

 

[fademist]

Yea, good luck getting traders to join that group. I'm not worried about that, at least I don't have any problem finding anyone to pirate.

I was more talking about CGs and eventually power play. That's the area that, imo needs the most work. When one mode has less potential influence, it's a problem.

dont worry mr hardcore i bet the true solo ppl no the jumpers doesnt have the time to compete anymore...life stuff > CG/PP

 

[jonny taco]

Add a new "Open Only" mode to use with the extra character slot — so the current players can still freely switch between solo, group, and the original Open mode with their already existing character — and I can agree.

Do it by putting a wall around the current Open mode, making current players unable to switch between Solo/Group and Open, and I will be completely against.

I don't think you would like the result, though. I don't think there are enough players wanting that mode to make the galaxy seem populated.

The first portion of this post is exactly what I suggested. Two separate characters, one exactly the way it is now (100% no changes) and then another completely separate character than can only be used on the separate "open only" simulation. Putting a wall around the current open I agree is completely stupid.

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

Boys, boys, you can both have $2 to spend. Fries cost $1, burgers cost $1. What do you want?

Player interaction costs $2, lack of player interruption costs $2.

So player interaction costs money but lack of player interaction is free?

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

dont worry mr hardcore i bet the true solo ppl no the jumpers doesnt have the time to compete anymore...life stuff > CG/PP

Wait are you implying that noone can play open in short doses, like soloers? Or are you just implying that I don't?

 

[FuzzySpider]

So player interaction costs money but lack of player interaction is free?

No.

There are consequences to having a burger (fewer fries).

There are benefits to having a burger (having a burger with fries).

You can make the choice between them, you just can't chose to have everything - a stomach is only so large.

 

[SteveLaw]

There are consequences to having a burger (fewer fries).

There are benefits to having a burger (having a burger with fries).

Exactly, well said. Do you want extra fries enough to give up the burger or is the burger important enough to have fewer fries.

You can't have the benefits of player interaction with the benefits of no interaction. They cancel each other out. The only reason you may earn less in Open is because other players slow you down. That comes with the territory, it's part of choosing player interaction.

You can have the same earning or influence as Solo any time you want. You just have to give up player interaction to get it (because that's the only thing holding your contribution back).

 

[Jockey79]

Exactly, well said. Do you want extra fries enough to give up the burger or is the burger important enough to have fewer fries.

You can't have the benefits of player interaction with the benefits of no interaction. They cancel each other out. The only reason you may earn less in Open is because other players slow you down. That comes with the territory, it's part of choosing player interaction.

You can have the same earning or influence as Solo any time you want. You just have to give up player interaction to get it (because that's the only thing holding your contribution back).

I've been saying that for so long, so have you and everyone else.

Can anyone try it in, German, or French... as English is getting us nowhere

 

[fademist]

Wait are you implying that noone can play open in short doses, like soloers? Or are you just implying that I don't?

maybe read it more and think...with pp we going to have more problems than open/group/solo... and that is casual play is left out on PP grind ...

If u remember they have advertise it with coorperation and suddenly force us to compete with our allies of X faction ...something is smelly for the future and will come bk to hunt them anyway

 

[FuzzySpider]

I've been saying that for so long, so have you and everyone else.

Can anyone try it in, German, or French... as English is getting us nowhere

Nobody has ever said it in burgers and fries before.

maybe read it more and think...with pp we going to have more problems than open/group/solo... and that is casual play is left out on PP grind ...

If u remember they have advertise it with coorperation and suddenly force us to compete with our allies of X faction ...something is smelly for the future and will come bk to hunt them anyway

You really ain't kidding about this one. Oh my word is powerplay going to add TNT to this debate.

 

[SteveLaw]

maybe read it more and think...with pp we going to have more problems than open/group/solo... and that is casual play is left out on PP grind ...

Oh don't worry, PP is going to re-energise this topic no end as well.

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Nobody has ever said it in burgers and fries before.

We did have vegetarians vs. meat eaters on the old thread though.

 

[fademist]

Oh don't worry, PP is going to re-energise this topic no end as well.

or we will have the new thread hardcore vs casuals

 

[TheSpaceTexan]

I don't want a gold mine! If there is one thing that flying a Titan has taught me is, is that I do not need that kind of pressure in my gaming these days. I just want to get me an exploring Asp, and head out to no where. I know not something you and others like you are interested in. You see I like trying new things, turning over a new leaf, broadening my horizons.

You see I've had 10+ years of the type of game play your promoting here. I'm tired of it. I'm not trying to speak for you or anyone else here, I would just like to try something new. I'm very much looking forward to exploring this beautiful galaxy these folks have created.

I have no interest in even knowing people like yourself any more. But I will be here for your amusement, I promise you that.

I'm a former goon, just wanted to make sure you know that. I also know your fun came at other players expense, and what you think is funny are always what we call a one way joke. Your laughing, someone else is almost always on the receiving end of what you think is funny. No offense meant, I just know exactly what you are, and what your about.

This'll be the final time I address this crappy subject. I never got into EVE, where the game was real money and ASSETS were at stake, this game doesn't have that WHICH IS GREAT!! I don't care if you're a former goon or not and again, though you should know as former goon, that a single game should not define you or anyone except the community of that game. This is especially when its a bad game or event, so get that redundant mentality out of this discussion and stop trying to make this about us, when it is really about the entire community of this game (No one cares if you're a goon or not, seriously stop bringing that to the table its silly).

Anyways, that is entirely irrelevant to what we're discussing, where we have really and seriously backward motion game mechanics that is trying too damn hard to appeal to everyone and not doing well to do so. There are some really genuine and bad decision making on their end that makes one mode better than the other. If you really cannot see that, I really don't what to tell you. Aside from that, I really am Pro "Play however you want", so long as all the sides have some sort of leveled playing field, which as of now, there isn't and its really easy to fix.

tl;dr : Hush, this isn't EVE, WoT, WoW, PS2, MWO, etc. It's a new community and an entirely new game. But, from a developer point of view, they should be looking at what failed and didn't work in those games and see what works BEST with their game. Also, whatever happened in those communities before, get over it and don't go on a witchhunt because of what one group did in the previous game. Especially when you know how big our forums are.

 

[SteveLaw]

that makes one mode better than the other

That's a little simplistic don't you think, considering that we are two years and ~12,000 posts into that debate?

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

Exactly, well said. Do you want extra fries enough to give up the burger or is the burger important enough to have fewer fries.

You can't have the benefits of player interaction with the benefits of no interaction. They cancel each other out. The only reason you may earn less in Open is because other players slow you down. That comes with the territory, it's part of choosing player interaction.

You can have the same earning or influence as Solo any time you want. You just have to give up player interaction to get it (because that's the only thing holding your contribution back).

And yet the only argument on why it has to be this way is because, that's the way it is. Why should one mode be for PP and CGs and the other be for player interaction?

 

[Jockey79]

This'll be the final time I address this crappy subject. I never got into EVE, where the game was real money and ASSETS were at stake, this game doesn't have that WHICH IS GREAT!! I don't care if you're a former goon or not and again, though you should know as former goon, that a single game should not define you or anyone except the community of that game. Especially a bad game or event, so get that mentality out of this discussion and stop trying to make this about us, when it is really about the entire community of this game (No one cares if you're a goon or not, seriously stop bringing that to the table its silly).

Anyways, that is entirely irrelevant to what we're discussing, where we have really and seriously backward motion game mechanics that is trying too damn hard to appeal to everyone and not doing well to do so. There are some really genuine and bad decision making on their end that makes one mode better than the other. If you really cannot see that, I really don't what to tell you. Aside from that, I really am Pro "Play however you want", so long as all the sides have some sort of leveled playing field, which as of now, there isn't and its really easy to fix.

tl;dr : Hush, this isn't EVE, WoT, WoW, PS2, MWO, etc. It's a new community and an entirely new game. What happened in those communities before, get over it and don't go on a witchhunt because of what one group did in the previous game. Especially when you know how big our forums are.

I have played EVE and a few other games with Goons in it - you're right, the game does not define you guys.
Trolling and griefing does. As that is all I've seen Goons do in ANY game I played where they are.

As for "backward motion" and "bad decision making" - that is your personal opinion. FD, giving players the option to avoid Goons and such like players was a stroke of genius.
Now, people can play with those they want to play with - and EVERYONE gets paid the same, the only variance in income, is how much you let others get in your way. Something we all have to decide.