Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].

[Dave1235]

<snip>I just wish people wouldn't be scared to play in Open for fear of some jerk griefing them. I think there's a place for solo, and a place for private groups.

As previously stated, more than once... Play in Open!

Please stop using the word "scared", I am sure no one is really "scared" of your pixels, it is a game.

If I want to play in open I will, if I don't I won't.

But you can help me decide strangely enough, "scared" comments annoy me, people continuously posting this rubbish remind me that they play in open and I would rather avoid them.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Please stop using the word "scared", I am sure no one is really "scared" of your pixels, it is a game.

You are a braver man than I Dave! My bowels void uncontrollably when someone declaims that they play in Open and that I am some lesser being - too scared to play in Open - even though, urm, erm, I play in Open.

 

[Mouse]

Awwww
You're so cute.

I had a puppy once that was this naive. It was a loyal and faithful friend. I miss that puppy.

(In plain English, assume any new name in the thread didn't read the opening post (or my post (number 3, page 1) with the "wall of information") or any other post in the thread. New names tend to jump in at the last page, fast scan whatever comments are on screen then comment - without any idea of prior information or arguments).

I am happy to see you think people read a thread before posting, it shows that humanity may have some saving graces left, even if they don't shine here

We can always have hope and give people the benefit of the doubt. And wish you could rep people more often.

 

[Dave1235]

I know you're not referring to me, but since I've made far too many posts here this afternoon, I personally have not read jack squat in this thread.

Mate, that's where you went wrong, you should always read posts 1 & 3 on the first page of any thread before commenting, they are normally the holy grail.

If only you has said you were jumping into a thread with no prior knowledge of the subject and was throwing around random opinions someone might have been able to help earlier.

Oh well now you mentioned the limits of your knowledge I am sure Jockey will offer to help you out, he is a good guy .

 

[TartanDragon]

I am sure Jockey will offer to help you out, he is a good guy .

Whoa, that is open to debate and one megathread is really enough for me........

 

[Dave1235]

<snip>

There are scripts that can make you unmatchable, and undo that, with a single keypress. They can even be used while in game to cause a de-sync, dropping the player in a newly created instance and making him instantly vanish for any potential opponent; it's like combat logging, just without the hassle of having to log back into solo mode.

IMHO the only reason those aren't more widespread in the ED community is that, currently, they aren't really needed; just log out and drop into solo instead and you achieve effectively the same thing.

+1 (well virtual, the button is broken right now)

Nope I don't need scripts, I pick the mode I want to play in, depending on my mood and play the game how I want.

The day FD says I have to play in open is the day I take my network guy out for dinner, lol, actually we have lunch now and again and sometimes he speaks too

 

[Dave1235]

If you are going to talk about me, at least use my name

Oh, and I can still see my friends, while blocking strangers in Open .

I'm a l33tOMGWTFR0XX0R Hacker !!!

LOL

OK I have to ask, I get the " l33tOMGWTF" bit but is the "R0XX0R" bit about

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For me, its not about encouraging FD to change the game. Its about getting Solo players to play in Open because I think they might enjoy it.

After learning how to fly a space ship, I think they might be able to both read, and make up their own mind about how they want to play

 

[Asp Explorer]

OK I have to ask, I get the " l33tOMGWTF" bit but is the "R0XX0R" bit about

You have to read it backwards for it to make any sense

 

[Dave1235]

Damn it!!!

That's twice I've forgotten that last line

Explaining equality to folks over and over again is not equal!
It's more work for me explaining it than it is for them not getting it!

I should get a 10% bonus to all earnings in game for the number of times I have to explain basic concepts in game

What did I say about spoiler tags, you were so close to costing me screen wipes!

 

[Dave1235]

<Ironmouse roars>

<shudders>

Hang on I have 4 cats, oh damn they are not Ironcats!, why did I not get an Ironcat?, how could I be so foolish?

<shudders again>

<wakes up wife removing hoover from cupboard under stairs (too make room for me) whilst wearing tinfoil hat>

<never posts again>

 

[yul7896]

Please stop using the word "scared", I am sure no one is really "scared" of your pixels, it is a game.

If I want to play in open I will, if I don't I won't.

But you can help me decide strangely enough, "scared" comments annoy me, people continuously posting this rubbish remind me that they play in open and I would rather avoid them.

Not my pixels.

I guess you've been too busy reading this thread to note the too common threads and posts about people never playing in open again because they got blown up once without their consent. I am simply trying to point out that open is not all griefing, and I wish more people tried Open. But I guess open mindedness got left behind.

 

[W0OCQCK]

Keep switching, but make it so that PP merits can only be accrued in open. That way setting can still remain the same in solo and players will still experience the same universe with the same faction effects in particular systems. Similarly make CG contributions only effectual in open. This way people can go into open to play the collaborative side of the game, but if they get roughed up and want time to accrue money for insurance or buying a better ship in relative safety they can always fall back on solo.

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What does it matter?

Heh, we all knew this was the next thing in our saga. LOL Even though DB clearly stated that solo & group players only offset other solo and group players, having no effect on open. Even though a whole new X-Box crowd is entering the game with their solo, group, and open effects. Virtually un-visible, or untouchable. I propose to you this. They all know exactly why this game has been so successful, and we all know, (yeah even people like this) why the game is taking off, & doing very, very well.

I hate to break it too you, but, "It Is Not Because Of the PVP Open Crowd". Give it a rest, go play your way, try to have fun, quit trying to force others to play your game. Have a wonderful day.

 

[yul7896]

While I do understand what you are saying and I do also respect it.
You do have to remember, we are not all the same. Some folks have anxiety problems and cannot play with strangers due to those issues. Some folks also have tech problems and cannot join the game with other people nearby due to extreme lag.

There are players who play Solo or small private groups due to not being able to play with other people for whatever reason.

I understand this point. Open isn't for everyone. Repeated this many times here. What is annoying, is all the threads saying Open is only pirates and griefers.

 

[Dave1235]

You are a braver man than I Dave! My bowels void uncontrollably when someone declaims that they play in Open and that I am some lesser being - too scared to play in Open - even though, urm, erm, I play in Open.

Yeah I tried open last week, built the courage up over months , the CMDR that interdicted me was worse than the AI. In Diso, not like I was in Sag A, I hoped for a bit of a challenge!

I think you may be suffering from "holo-icon-itus", your doctor will be able to give you a pill for it and you will become a PVP GOD when your bowels are under control. It says on the packet "do not take if driving heavy machinery, it may cause hallucinations that make you believe you are flying a space ship", its true, my mate's wifes brother's mate is on them right now, even his shrink agrees.

 

[Mouse]

I understand this point. Open isn't for everyone. Repeated this many times here. What is annoying, is all the threads saying Open is only pirates and griefers.

I'm not trying to be mean or jerk or anything, but you have a signature "I don't carry cargo; I carry guns" so I have to ask.. do you only shoot at those who shoot at you first?

I've never said Open is only pirates and griefers, I know it is not, but it is a huge roulette wheel that you spin on when you meet someone. Plus you have people wanting CG/PP to be Open only so they can "Do something about it" I don't really think that means taking the person out for drinks and changing their mind on who to support. You are not one of them, but there are people advocating for Open because they want to dominate, they need more targets and apparently NPCs and those who want to PVP are not enough.

 

[Dave1235]

You have to read it backwards for it to make any sense

Oh thanks mate, I get it now, ROFLPMSL (still with no idea, I don't get it), again the screen survived!....... this time

 

[Asp Explorer]

Interesting idea! One I get my bowels under control again, and the fear of superior declamation from the "Open Only And I'm Going To Demand So" crowd has fallen to levels my barely adequate psychic defences can deal with, how about we make a Kickstarter? I'll go 50/50 with you on pills to make someone a PVP GOD.

The possibilities are immense! We could even offer premium DLC and tshirts - and as a stretch goal, a mode where you get to play "Open Only With Other People Who Cheat Like You Are Doing Right Now"

Oh we'd be rich!!!!

 

[Dave1235]

Not my pixels.

I guess you've been too busy reading this thread to note the too common threads and posts about people never playing in open again because they got blown up once without their consent. I am simply trying to point out that open is not all griefing, and I wish more people tried Open. But I guess open mindedness got left behind.

Possibly.

I never said open was full of "griefing" and if people want to play in open they will, as I have done a little more recently.

Why did they get "blown up"?, crap pirate, PK?

Some people will click on open and have a bad experience, if the threads are what I would expect a few people met some very incompetent pirates or PK's tonight.

If correct open just lost a few more players, so what can open do to get them to come back?

 

[Dave1235]

Interesting idea! One I get my bowels under control again, and the fear of superior declamation from the "Open Only And I'm Going To Demand So" crowd has fallen to levels my barely adequate psychic defences can deal with, how about we make a Kickstarter? I'll go 50/50 with you on pills to make someone a PVP GOD.

The possibilities are immense! We could even offer premium DLC and tshirts - and as a stretch goal, a mode where you get to play "Open Only With Other People Who Cheat Like You Are Doing Right Now"

Oh we'd be rich!!!!

I am in 50/50, now don't try to cheap out on the merchandising, I want my share or the tshirts too!, I know where the money is .

PS any idea what we are going to make the pills out of, how do you make a PVP GOD pill?, I have a few buckets of sand in the garden, maybe we start there, and don't tell anyone its a placebo, they will never buy it.

PS
Most important thing is to keep it a secret Ssshhhhh

 

[yul7896]

I'm not trying to be mean or jerk or anything, but you have a signature "I don't carry cargo; I carry guns" so I have to ask.. do you only shoot at those who shoot at you first?

I've never said Open is only pirates and griefers, I know it is not, but it is a huge roulette wheel that you spin on when you meet someone. Plus you have people wanting CG/PP to be Open only so they can "Do something about it" I don't really think that means taking the person out for drinks and changing their mind on who to support. You are not one of them, but there are people advocating for Open because they want to dominate, they need more targets and apparently NPCs and those who want to PVP are not enough.

Haha, no, I definitely don't wait to get shot at. But I also have no reason to shoot someone who wouldn't be a fun fight. I play the game because it's fun. I think fighting other players is more fun than fighting NPC's. So for me, shooting other players who are capable and willing is what really makes the game fun. I know not everyone likes this, and that's why we have solo and private group, they have their place.

I sort of am in the camp that solo and open players shouldn't be grinding against each other. But to be honest, I'm not yet convinced either way. I would like to think solo players shouldn't influence my game, if I can't directly influence theirs, but that is kind of a dumb, human inkling. I definitely think community goals should be the same in each mode, and all competing. I'm not so sure about PowerPlay yet though, but time will tell how that works out.

Also, the dummies who just want to dominate and grief are literally being hunted by other CMDRs, and I think this trend will grow. Unfortunately, this is probably futile in terms of establishing any kind of integrity for a variety of reasons.

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Possibly.

I never said open was full of "griefing" and if people want to play in open they will, as I have done a little more recently.

Why did they get "blown up"?, crap pirate, PK?

Some people will click on open and have a bad experience, if the threads are what I would expect a few people met some very incompetent pirates or PK's tonight.

If correct open just lost a few more players, so what can open do to get them to come back?

No you didn't say that, but the forum posts about that are abundant. I guess I'm just sad for the people who have negative experiences in a situation I view as wholly positive.