How do you balance the fairness/risk equation in open between winged and non winged players?
ETA - unsurprisingly the thread got merged - took a while!
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How do you balance the fairness/risk equation in open between winged and non winged players?
ETA - unsurprisingly the thread got merged - took a while!
That's a huge and unfounded generalization.
Some human players are stronger, some are considerably weaker than the current AI.
SJA has stated that the NPCs can be made as strong as they need. No problem coding one that the best human players cannot beat.
Wings are the problem with Open mode. Many players can become invincible without being skilled, simply by flying with a group of mates - the true Easy Mode.
Elite used to be about surviving in a hostile environment using only your own abilities (awesome game mechanic), but ED has become routine MMO team play. Yawn.
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Then play in solo if you're worried about fairness. It's available to you.
If I'm not in the same instance/timezone/area as you then you still can't stop me. Do I have to go to your system too?
And what if you are in an Anaconda and I am a cobra?
Ohh and lets ban wings too.
But drilling this down to the next level of your argument. If a NPC is doing the same bad things to your game it will be ok.
For me it sounds strange.
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Miklos
Maybe you shouldn't have bought ED then. Seriously, besides "Deal with it" I don't see what to answer anymore. The game was like that from the start and even before, fault's on you if you didn't research.
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To anyone suggesting drop solo....
I say look at it this way. IF a mode had to be dropped i COULD say drop open.... Keep private groups where people can socially play together or fight or what ever, and keep solo.
This would suit me just nice...... But DO I say this??
No because I try not to be a mean person who wants to ruin the game for those who CHOOSE to play in open..... but drop open is just as valid - and selfish - an attitude as drop solo imo.
I say look at it this way. IF a mode had to be dropped i COULD say drop open.... Keep private groups where people can socially play together or fight or what ever, and keep solo.
This would suit me just nice...... But DO I say this??
No because I try not to be a mean person who wants to ruin the game for those who CHOOSE to play in open..... but drop open is just as valid - and selfish - an attitude as drop solo imo.
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Like this.
Sociopathic sorts who delight in causing distruption to others don't "add flavour", unless that flavour is cowpat. They should be dealt with and tossed out of social situations wherever they occur.
really , seems like most of the open vs solo is just crying about crap. its a shame that people would rather complain and cry and try to make the game less enjoyable , just because they choose to play in open and think its unfair that they cant just kill every one that's doing something they don't like , instead of enjoying the player interaction that open brings , when you can find them and enjoying the game itself. i can understand people choosing solo over open because people can be jerks that is just a fact of the internet , don't mean they shouldn't be able to enjoy the game or contribute to the universe by their actions. most things in the game can be more fun in open if you encounter the right players , nothing like a good rp , that can make the game so much more interesting , but gotta be open to that sorta thing i guess . but for every good interaction you could have , odds are just as likely if not more so that you will run in to a bad one, an hell least the npcs talk a bit even if it is a bit repetitive
any way long post short , stop crying about how others play and play the game how you want
and enjoying the game itself. i can understand people choosing solo over open because people can be jerks that is just a fact of the internet , don't mean they shouldn't be able to enjoy the game or contribute to the universe by their actions. most things in the game can be more fun in open if you encounter the right players , nothing like a good rp , that can make the game so much more interesting , but gotta be open to that sorta thing i guess . but for every good interaction you could have , odds are just as likely if not more so that you will run in to a bad one, an hell least the npcs talk a bit even if it is a bit repetitive any way long post short , stop crying about how others play and play the game how you want
But humans behave differently form NPCs. NPCs (usually) have certain patterns in their behavior, humans usually - even the bad pilots - will do a lot of different things, react to situations differently. NPCs can be coded to have incredibly good flight control and aim, but their behavior is dictated by the algorithms of the game. X triggers Y. Fight enough NPCs and you will learn how they react and what is the best way to deal with them.
Humans are much better at reacting to new situations and creating new situations. Fight a lot of CMDRs and the next CMDR will be doing things differently than the other CMDRs. That's in most games the reason why PvP is more fun compared to PvE (for me).
and that is fab.... and no one (or at least no one i can agree with) is seriously suggesting canning open. It IS a huge "thing" for elite dangerous.
but what you need to accept is no everyone feels as you do. For many playing solo or just with a select group of friends is all they want out of the game. Elite like it or not is advertised as a solo game (as well as a MP game) and solo is just as valid as open.... and right from day 1 it was advertised that we can jump into which ever mode we choose depending on our mood and still interact with the same background sim.
The reason i like solo over open is exactly the reason why i like payday 2 over Hardline.
The AI can be relied upon to act in a set way based on the rules of the game.... and YES there are psycho AI in ED, but they are coded in such a way to allow us to disengage and run away from them so we can choose not to interact with them if we choose.
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Whilst that makes sense on the face of it I think it only really applies in the case of experienced PVPers who will have a variety of tricks up their sleeve.
The average person who isn't an experienced PVPer who may also be PVP averse is only going to try one thing - run. And even someone who can do a bit will try and run once they realise they're onto a loser.
I would be fascinated to have a chat with SJA to get an idea of how far AI can pushed. Obviously they can make them ultra accurate but can they not programme them to try a huge variety of moves just like a human so that they don't appear to be predictable.
I play most of the time in Solo Mode
I wrote in "most games", sadly for me Elite is one of the exceptions, but this has nothing to do with Open or Solo mode or player vs. NPC behavior.
I really like that I'm able to switch between Solo and Open depending on my mood. I think that's one of the best features of this game and I have no problem that others affect "my galaxy" no matter if they play open or solo.
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The poll was not restricted to reddit users though - anyone with the link could vote (I know because I did and I am not a reddit user).
Anyway, they actually might be saying the same thing - the question as to which mode players play in was asked in different ways. The reddit poll asked for a single preferred game mode, not if players used more than one mode. The poll here asked which modes players play in with all seven permutations.
So, taking both polls as representative, while 70% of players have Open as their preferred mode (me included), only 32% play in Open exclusively (I don't).
As you say, only Frontier have all of the data - and they don't divulge such information.
ooo mod vs mod fight... interesting.
can a mod issue infractions against another mod
Nothing quite so dramatic - merely a difference of opinion.
Yes it is possible but no it doesn't happen (to my knowledge).
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Rep'd.
I suspect the vast majority of the player base is happily playing their game either alone or with friends not giving a monkeys about how others choose to play.
There'll always be a minority who whine about some mechanic or other, it's to be expected and you see it on every game forum. If the number of whiners goes over a certain proportion then devs will twig that something is wrong with their product, the fact that FD have consistently ignored the moaning about mode switching from the beginning says a lot.
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lol more speculation about the differences between polls? come one guys, stop the forum poll nonsense
We really have no idea about the proportion of Solo vs Open, unless FDEV shows some figures.
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Stop the forum polls - period!
Does it even matter if open players are majority or minority?
They are minority: Changing the Game to try and bring more people into open would be a bit idiotic since you ruin it for the majority to please a minorty
They are majority: No change needed since most people already play open hence there is no problem of not enough people in open
They are minority: Changing the Game to try and bring more people into open would be a bit idiotic since you ruin it for the majority to please a minorty
They are majority: No change needed since most people already play open hence there is no problem of not enough people in open
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