Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].

[PhazonAran]

1) That player needs to really decide what is important to them. The safety of Solo/Private or playing with his friends. Cant have both.

We actually can at the moment and it has no reason to change.

3) They sold us a bunch of lies and people got over it and loved the game.

By your logic they should lie even more to us ?

Changing the game to be a better MMO couldn't be considered a bad thing.

"better" being purely subjective of course. Elite never intended to follow the traditionnal MMO codes, it is a MMO because a bunch of players are connected simultaneously and can play together if they choose to, period.

Do you think companies with hugely popular multiplayer games ever worried about the small minority, who in certain situations might not be able to play their game? No.. I really don't.

Yet they listened to the PvP minority. And when that minority isn't catered to, you see threads like this one flourish.

 

[Mouse]

He made a comment in another thread about how when this game is dead *cough yeah right* that he would still be remembered long after it was gone.

Crap like this:

"Quote Originally Posted by Majinvash View Post
yes some people will have to lose out for the greater good."

is just his feeble and desperate attempt to feed his inflated ego.

 

[Jockey79]

Every other thread I look at lately seems to turn into a Solo/Group/Open debate.

I've noticed this as well.
If the overall theme of the thread is anything Power Play related or PvP, it swings in to the Solo/Open whining.

I'm starting to think some folks are just trying to see how far they can push a thread before a merge happens.

These are issues that can be sorted via choice and yes some people will have to lose out for the greater good.
The flip is when ED dies, which at the rate that the core players are leaving wont be a long time. No one gets to play.

Your points

1) That player needs to really decide what is important to them. The safety of Solo/Private or playing with his friends. Cant have both.
2) If they are away on business and have bad internet. They just need to man up and accept that they cannot play for a bit. When I travel I cant always get netflix, so what.. Should netflix make a special version for me?
And if you are in a house with a greedy net hogger, that is an issue you need to discuss with the other person or get a router/switch that can limit their bandwidth use.
3) They sold us a bunch of lies and people got over it and loved the game. Changing the game to be a better MMO couldn't be considered a bad thing.

Do you think companies with hugely popular multiplayer games ever worried about the small minority, who in certain situations might not be able to play their game? No.. I really don't.
They would have gone about making the best game they could with the best experience so that the masses can enjoy the experience.
They might lose a few customers, but they would get many more.. But more importantly. They would retain what they had.

Retention is something FD is currently not doing very well.

For a start, you have no idea if people are leaving the game or not, so to declare the game will die soon just makes you look daft. I seen the same things being said about Star Trek Online and it is now five (5) years old and just had their successful summer event. So, please put your crystal ball, tarots cards and Norse runes away.

As for your points;

1) Can have both - in a private group. I play with real life friends in a group, we do not PvP. So the "safety" of Solo, but with friends.
2) Do you know about modern technology? I watch Netflix on my mobile device in a car, over the mobile internet - something Elite: Dangerous supports doing, as they did it, on a train.
And it has even been stated that anyone can make use of Solo Mode via a mobile phone (cell phone) as it uses very little data.
3) They sold us what they advertised (see post three (3) in this thread, it is all there) - not my fault if you didn't read it and bought the game blindly due to a single video or friend telling you to after they didn't read up on it.

As for "retention" - again, you have no idea who is staying and who is leaving. I'd hazzard a guess if anyone is leaving it will be griefers / PvPer / EVE with cockpit fans as they are the only people around here not getting their own way.

We are two years in to a ten year plan - so the game will be around for some time yet. If you don't like it now, that's fine you don't have to - try it again next year, something may have been added you'll like. That is the best bit about a no subscription model, you can come and go as often as you like.

 

[Majinvash]

Oh look it is another chicken little post.

Please oh wise and glorious leader, please bath us with your brilliance and show us how you know the rate that core players are leaving and that they are not being replaced by new players?

And how magnanimous of you with your quote about "some people will have to lose out for the greater good." Yes.. the greater good of YOUR play style.. you know.. the pirate, the person who openly admits to infiltrating Mobius and pirating them, self professed ganker.

Yay a Mobius..

Why not read my entire post and use the content as the basis of your reply. Not a part to QQ about the time I injected a little excitement into your group.

The core players are leaving, most of the major groups, who's players started early and committed hundreds of hours into the game ARE leaving in droves.
You only need to speak to others in the community, major now ex twitch streamers, read the posts on reddit about some of the major groups and their players no longer logging on.
Retention is important, if you don't believe that, please stop typing.

Just because you choose to only play part of the game doesn't mean the whole game should suffer.

This thread is about Open vs Solo. Mobius is a good as solo because of your ban on danger.

For Open to survive it needs proper server infrastructure and support OR someone to wave a magic want and fix instancing.
Then the rest of the game needs some real content, not the A-B grind we currently have.

To keep core players interested it also needs all the loop holes and escape routes that Solo players use to circumvent what weak back ground sim there actually is.

YES I killed players in Mobius, It was glorious, I had a lot of fun, It was the single most exciting thing to ever happen to your group. Good or bad, you are still talking about it.
Remember that Anaconda you killed in a res site last week, the elite one with the two eagle wingmen.. NO?? No-one does.

Try finding a post from me about how I died and its unfair.
We all work in the same rule set, just some people don't get all upset when their virtual ship or virtual credits get lost.

Majinvash

 

[ianw]

I'd bet that the separate the mode types are the minority. Which if true makes the idea that the game will perish without it separating open/solo nonsense.

I play open 99% of the time but I wouldn't want the modes separated.

All it would do is upset a lot of people without fixing the perceived problem the separatists have anyway.

The game is huge - it has tiny instances. That's it - end of.

 

[Mouse]

With the way technology is moving and how stunning ED is.. in 11 years I would love to see expansion to Andromeda and more users on Oculus Rift or other better technology.

 

[Bomba Luigi]

These are issues that can be sorted via choice and yes some people will have to lose out for the greater good.

I agree, we leave the game as it as now and people who want to change it will lose out for the greater good. Its a great Solution

The flip is when ED dies, which at the rate that the core players are leaving wont be a long time. No one gets to play.

Would be nice to see the Facts you base your argument around, so please show them.

Your points

1) That player needs to really decide what is important to them. The safety of Solo/Private or playing with his friends. Cant have both.
2) If they are away on business and have bad internet. They just need to man up and accept that they cannot play for a bit. When I travel I cant always get netflix, so what.. Should netflix make a special version for me?
And if you are in a house with a greedy net hogger, that is an issue you need to discuss with the other person or get a router/switch that can limit their bandwidth use.
3) They sold us a bunch of lies and people got over it and loved the game. Changing the game to be a better MMO couldn't be considered a bad thing.

1. Yes we can, ED is giving us both and it works.
2. Maybe people who want there playstile forced on others need to man up and start to realise that other people like to do things diffrent is not a threat to them. We ar all grown ups and we should all decide ourselfs how we want to play and we should be grown up enough to accept other people who play diffrent.
3. What bunch of lies? And the changes you want to make to make it better would make it worse in the view of others.

Do you think companies with hugely popular multiplayer games ever worried about the small minority, who in certain situations might not be able to play their game? No.. I really don't.

Question: Who is the minority? Do we even know?

They would have gone about making the best game they could with the best experience so that the masses can enjoy the experience.
They might lose a few customers, but they would get many more.. But more importantly. They would retain what they had.

Retention is something FD is currently not doing very well.

Thats littery what FD is doing now, they trying to make the best game they can, the Elite4 they wanted to make for many many Years. This is there Vision, what they think is best. As for Sale Numbers: They are actually pretty good so far according to what FD says and how it sells on Steam, so it seems there Vision is working on the market.

Could they get more customers? Of course, but if they would want to get as many customers as possible they wouldn't have done a Space Sim niche Game in the First place and instead somthing more mainstream and more popular. Sale Numbers and making money is important of course, but again: They are good so far, no problems here. And saying "But it won't be good in the Future!" is just as valid as "But it will still be good in the Future!".

 

[Derath]

I'd bet that the separate the mode types are the minority. Which if true makes the idea that the game will perish without it separating open/solo nonsense.

I play open 99% of the time but I wouldn't want the modes separated.

All it would do is upset a lot of people without fixing the perceived problem the separatists have anyway.

The game is huge - it has tiny instances. That's it - end of.

I think the longevity of the game has nothing to do with open/solo/group and everything to do with a consistent lack of content, I mean for some easier multiplayer interactions would provide content, but for a vast majority it won't cover that they haven't given us anything new to do since release, and release had very limited options.

They could make it Open-Only tommorow, players would still leave because its a very small fish compared to the whale thats required.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

These are issues that can be sorted via choice and yes some people will have to lose out for the greater good.
The flip is when ED dies, which at the rate that the core players are leaving wont be a long time. No one gets to play.

Your points

1) That player needs to really decide what is important to them. The safety of Solo/Private or playing with his friends. Cant have both.
2) If they are away on business and have bad internet. They just need to man up and accept that they cannot play for a bit. .

Hi

thanks for the reply and for addressing my points head on. It is fair to say I strongly disagree with you, the game advertised that I CAN have both and that if need be DB himself demoed the game playing 3G on a train but still.... And as for core gamers leaving the game... Again I can only speak for myself, but >600hrs in and I am still here. Presumably you are too?

Yours and others like you solution is ALL stick, and no carrots for those of us who bought the game partly based on these promises. I honestly cannot see anyone who knew the advertised modes and actually like them ever really changing their minds, which is why this thread goes round and round I guess.


Fly safe CMDR

Yay a Mobius..

YES I killed players in Mobius, It was glorious, I had a lot of fun, It was the single most exciting thing to ever happen to your group. Good or bad, you are still talking about it.
Remember that Anaconda you killed in a res site last week, the elite one with the two eagle wingmen.. NO?? No-one does.

editj

I forgot you were the...... person................ who did this.. you are so so wrong however about people remembering it therefore it was good. IF I went into your house and took a dump on your kitchen floor there is a good chance you would still be talking about it months after the event....... esp if I boasted about it in your local pub!.
This is in effect what you did. You entered a private group, which was based on trust, and you broke the rules of it. There was no PvP as the people you attacked were not ready to fight back as they were in a NO PvP area.. What you did was at best seal clubbing, but actually it was pretty much griefing. Some say griefing is not possible in ED. jWhilst I personally do not agree, in Open I will conceed the view has merit at least, but NOT in a private group.

disagreeing with rules are ok, that is what opinions are about but forcing yours down peoples throats - esp deliberately in their own private area.... There are a certain type of people who do this, and none of them I personally would say are positive influences on society.

 

[ianw]

I think the longevity of the game has nothing to do with open/solo/group and everything to do with a consistent lack of content, I mean for some easier multiplayer interactions would provide content, but for a vast majority it won't cover that they haven't given us anything new to do since release, and release had very limited options.

They could make it Open-Only tommorow, players would still leave because its a very small fish compared to the whale thats required.

I agree about the content absolutely - there are so many things that were planned that they've gone quiet on.

I'm hopeful for the secret announcement stuff due for Gamescom - but not too hopeful..

 

[Jockey79]

I think the longevity of the game has nothing to do with open/solo/group and everything to do with a consistent lack of content, I mean for some easier multiplayer interactions would provide content, but for a vast majority it won't cover that they haven't given us anything new to do since release, and release had very limited options.

They could make it Open-Only tommorow, players would still leave because its a very small fish compared to the whale thats required.

Nothing new since release?

Strong/ Weak Signal Source,
Hi / Lo RES
New missions (though just variations on old ones, granted)

and;

Power Play.

With CQC coming up this year as well.
But sure, nothing new at all

 

[Derath]

Nothing new since release?

Strong/ Weak Signal Source,
Hi / Lo RES
New missions (though just variations on old ones, granted)

and;

Power Play.

With CQC coming up this year as well.
But sure, nothing new at all

All of those involve repeating the same things, even powerplay only has 4 missions what are they? Interdict and explode, Interdict and scoop, renamed CZ, take A to B.

WSS are just the scooping USS seperated, SSS are ways to show that even in a wing you aren't allowed to have fun, though at least you can pretend your raiding a convoy traveling at normal speed through space.

New missions? they are just the same ones with ranks applied and the rewards tweaked so you can have a big reward if you don't require it. Hi/Lo RES are both consistently broken everytime they attempt to do anything with them, pointless for mining and trend up and down constantly for bounty-hunters based on if you get the dumb instance or the good one, which is identical to 1.0.

CQC will be the first new thing to do in the game that isn't just a rehash of whats already there, well outside of new ships, they are always fun. Wings is content, however the instancing system makes grouping to fulfil an objective quite difficult as SSS is about the only thing in the game that actually lends itself to a group, you could also make a strong argument that a game calling itself an MMO/Multiplayer should have had the ability to group from the start, or at least the ability to chat I mean what multiplayer game doesn't have chat at launch? Really?

Like powerplay summarises it perfectly, PP is a reason to do something, its not a new thing to do.

 

[PhazonAran]

Just because you choose to only play part of the game doesn't mean the whole game should suffer.

Right back at you sir.

 

[Sir.Tj]

Ok, no more personal comments please.

If it continues there will be infractions issued.

Discuss the post not the poster.

 

[Jockey79]

Yay a Mobius..

Why not read my entire post and use the content as the basis of your reply. Not a part to QQ about the time I injected a little excitement into your group.

The core players are leaving, most of the major groups, who's players started early and committed hundreds of hours into the game ARE leaving in droves.
You only need to speak to others in the community, major now ex twitch streamers, read the posts on reddit about some of the major groups and their players no longer logging on.
Retention is important, if you don't believe that, please stop typing.

Just because you choose to only play part of the game doesn't mean the whole game should suffer.

This thread is about Open vs Solo. Mobius is a good as solo because of your ban on danger.

For Open to survive it needs proper server infrastructure and support OR someone to wave a magic want and fix instancing.
Then the rest of the game needs some real content, not the A-B grind we currently have.

To keep core players interested it also needs all the loop holes and escape routes that Solo players use to circumvent what weak back ground sim there actually is.

YES I killed players in Mobius, It was glorious, I had a lot of fun, It was the single most exciting thing to ever happen to your group. Good or bad, you are still talking about it.
Remember that Anaconda you killed in a res site last week, the elite one with the two eagle wingmen.. NO?? No-one does.

Try finding a post from me about how I died and its unfair.
We all work in the same rule set, just some people don't get all upset when their virtual ship or virtual credits get lost.

Majinvash

For "open to survive" it needs more Jordan Cobalts and less Majinvash.

The game overall will survive with the support of Solo and Private Group players. The only way a lot of those players will go in to Open now is if it turned in to pure PvE game, then folks would have a reason to play Open.

 

[Majinvash]

Right back at you sir.

Which part of the game am I not playing?

I have traded, explored, mined, bounty hunted, pirated, smuggled and power played.

In my average day I do all of the above except the mining and exploring.

I just do it in open where others can interact with me however they choose.

 

[Jockey79]

All of those involve repeating the same things, <snip>

I'll start with STO;

Mission 1: Go kill 5 away teams on planet X
Mission 2: Go kill 5 checkpoints of spaceships orbiting planet Y

Repeat until you die of old age.

World of Warcraft

Levels 1-10: Go kill 10 Wolfs for the pelts and fetch them back
Levels 11-20: Go kill 10 Spiders for the venom sacks and fetch them back
Levels 21-30: Go kill 10 demon Wolfs for the pelts......

and so on.

That game has been going for 11 years? With only a dozen types of things to kill to fetch parts back for random reason.

Firefall;

Mission 1: Go shoot stuff
Mission 2: Go shoot stuff
Mission 3: Go shoot stuff

You have 16 battle frames to level up (I did 15 and ran out of will power).

I could go on and on.
ED is no different to most other games, in the first couple of hours, you see all the basic mechanics you're going to see as you progress.

And as fast as they come up with new stuff, we consume it ten times faster and become bored with it before they've finished patting themselves on the back for making it.

It is down to us, the players, to create reasons to grind/play the games and to make them interesting. As no Dev team can keep up with the players thirst for content.

 

[Derath]

Levels 1-10: Go kill 10 Wolfs for the pelts and fetch them back
Levels 11-20: Go kill 10 Spiders for the venom sacks and fetch them back
Levels 21-30: Go kill 10 demon Wolfs for the pelts......

I'll answer WoW as I've not played the others

Infact there isn't really a point If you think World of Warcraft has the same amount of things to do as ED there isn't any point in continuing this further i'll agree to disagree

 

[PhazonAran]

Which part of the game am I not playing?

I have traded, explored, mined, bounty hunted, pirated, smuggled and power played.

In my average day I do all of the above except the mining and exploring.

I just do it in open where others can interact with me however they choose.

Then why are you looking down on those who choose not to play like you ?

 

[Mouse]

Since my original post was deleted because the moderator felt it was wrong, I guess I will do it this way.

Yay a Mobius..

Why not read my entire post and use the content as the basis of your reply. Not a part to QQ about the time I injected a little excitement into your group.

I read your entire post, it was horse hockey.. full of conjecture and doom-saying without substance. Sorry no QQing and you added nothing to Mobius. Your removal didn't even cause a ripple.

The core players are leaving, most of the major groups, who's players started early and committed hundreds of hours into the game ARE leaving in droves.
You only need to speak to others in the community, major now ex twitch streamers, read the posts on reddit about some of the major groups and their players no longer logging on.
Retention is important, if you don't believe that, please stop typing.

Where is this mystical information of core players leaving in droves? Again Horse hockey. I have spoken to others and if you bothered to read the thread instead of making false claims you may see that there are a LOT of people who were part of the kickstarter WHO ARE STILL HERE.

Just because you choose to only play part of the game doesn't mean the whole game should suffer.

The game isn't suffering, again you are making things up to try and change the game so that YOU have more targets to grief.

This thread is about Open vs Solo. Mobius is a good as solo because of your ban on danger.

We are all part of the same community, and Mobius players DO play in open.. maybe again if you read instead making fanciful claims you'd know that. Mobius does not ban danger.. there is plenty of danger, just not jerks. And last time I checked jerks were not danger, they were just annoyances.

For Open to survive it needs proper server infrastructure and support OR someone to wave a magic want and fix instancing.
Then the rest of the game needs some real content, not the A-B grind we currently have.

Open is surviving, it has been surviving. There is no "For Open to survive" crap. There is though this thing that for ever action there is an equal and opposite reaction. There is also something else called consequences. So if your feeling that Open is dying, there is a good chance that the problem isn't something that can be found outside of your cockpit.

To keep core players interested it also needs all the loop holes and escape routes that Solo players use to circumvent what weak back ground sim there actually is.

Again.. there are 3 modes and EVERYONE is allowed to use whichever of the modes there are. The modes are NOT loop holes or escape routes and Solo players are not cheating and "circumventing" anything. The background sim isn't weak, that is just your biased "opinion"

YES I killed players in Mobius, It was glorious, I had a lot of fun, It was the single most exciting thing to ever happen to your group. Good or bad, you are still talking about it.
Remember that Anaconda you killed in a res site last week, the elite one with the two eagle wingmen.. NO?? No-one does.

For Mobius.. your as relevant as the anaconda in your "example" Sorry to burst your bubble. I even had to look you up.. total 6 posts with your name on them. Most were quotes of the original post.

Try finding a post from me about how I died and its unfair. We all work in the same rule set, just some people don't get all upset when their virtual ship or virtual credits get lost.

You are right, it is virtual, same as your "reputation" that you seem to care so much about. It is all a game. One that many of us enjoy playing and refuse to sit idly by and let others try to alter it for their own selfish reasons.