Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].

[PiLhEaD]

This discussion is still going on... really...?

I just thought to drop in and see how (and why) on earth this discussion is still going on.

I've read a few posts and I have to wonder when (or if) the penny will ever drop that, even after probably thousands of pages of posts across all the associated threads in this subject, Fdev will not change how the game is structured.

It doesn't matter how strong you feel your point of view is, nor how cleverly you can turn a phrase.

You only have to look at the success of Mobius to understand how popular PvE is, and remember Fdev know exactly the breakdown of private/group/open play. So, even if the split is (aaah) even, why would Fdev irritate 1/3 (and arguably 2/3) of their user base, and reduce the appeal of the game to that section of their prospective (aka 'waiting for planetary landings') market place?

Well they won't, it's just business - so get over it.

 

[ianw]

I have made my feelings about instancing very clear in another thread.

But this isn't about instancing, please stay on topic.

If instancing is off topic then so are PP and CGs.

 

[SteveLaw]

One of the ways the people who are opposing your faction should be able to prevent this from happening, is by stopping you completing task X. ( OTHER than having to grind in the other direction. )

Do you see the problem here? "Should be able to..." That is not how Power Play works. You can stop individual players, those who opt in to allow you to do that, but you can't stop everyone and you can't stop the overall task that way because Frontier don't want you to. They want all players, in all modes, to be able to have input and influence in Power Play. Do it the way you are supposed to do it. Play it within the rules if you want it to be fair, but don't complain that not everyone want to play the same alternative ruleset to you.

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I have made my feelings about instancing very clear in another thread.

But this isn't about instancing, please stay on topic.

Solo/Group/Open are only about instancing. You get to choose who you can or can't be instanced with. That's all that the "modes" are. You can't separate the concepts, they are the same thing.

 

[Cody]

Discuss the post not the poster.

That is bloody difficult at times, T.j!

 

[Majinvash]

If instancing is off topic then so are PP and CGs.

PP and CG are effected by all 3 game modes and shouldn't be.

So it is directly applicable.

 

[Riktar]

PP and CG are effected by all 3 game modes and shouldn't be.

So it is directly applicable.

By your standards. That is not what FD intended by creating optional modes. By THEIR (FD) standards it SHOULD be.

 

[ianw]

PP and CG are effected by all 3 game modes and shouldn't be.

So it is directly applicable.

And the whole game is built on instancing making it relevant to any topic.

Also PP and CGs only are parts of the game - parts that many people don't play.

So the whole game should not be changed because some people don't like the way FD have designed PP and CGs to work.

 

[Robert Maynard]

This whole thread is about Open Vs Solo. It has been going on since the beginning and is clearly something that is causing is heated arguments on both sides.
Maybe its working as intended, doesn't mean its right.

There have been many changes that have been made for the improvement of the game.
They would have been added to the game as working as intended too.... It just so happened that what was intended needed changing.
Shield Cells for example..... They worked exactly as intended but were changed.

Solo effecting open is one of those things!
Bring able to grind in safety and then bring your spoils into open and then vanish again when it gets tough, is one of those things.

.... it does not mean that it is wrong, either - it just "is".

Comparing the balancing of one type of ship module as an example of change is hardly comparable to making changes to the core feature set of the game to suit a sub-set of the player-base.

So no, in my opinion, Solo affecting Open is not one of those things that needs to change - which would seem to be supported by DBOBE's interview at E3:

I pointed out that there’s frequent contention online about the “right” way to play, be it casual or hard-core, and Braben agreed. “But there shouldn’t be a ‘right’ way,” he said. “You should do what makes you excited. I don’t want there to be a ‘right’ way, because then you’re not necessarily playing the way you want to play. And people have come up with lots of suggestions, some of them very constructive and sensible, and we do listen, and people hopefully have seen that we’ve changed things and adjusted things, but not in a way—we hope!—to upset people. We’re doing it to make the game better!”

There are no changes planned to separate solo and online saves, and players will continue to inhabit the same shared galaxy whether they’re in solo or multiplayer—again, continuing with Braben’s contention that there’s no ‘right’ way to play.

 

[Jockey79]

PP and CG are effected by all 3 game modes and shouldn't be.

So it is directly applicable.

So is instancing.

All one has to do (as proven by the release of the game) is turn uPnP off and viola, you can fly in Open and not see a soul. Ever.

This was the major issue when the game came out, as FD left uPnP off in the game settings. We had to edit the file ourselves to fix it.
Even private groups were hit by that one.

So, 1 small setting and suddenly no one can see you even in Open mode.

Not to mention, some family house holds run that many devices, your own ping may cause the matchmaker to dump you in private instances for the sake of other players. All I need is my children to start streaming music and films and I'm effectively playing Solo despite what mode I've picked at the menu.

Instancing is a big part of the game, and we've not covered the 32 limit no one has ever reached.

So, tell me again your big plan of forcing your PvP on me if I play open mode.

 

[Majinvash]

So is instancing.

All one has to do (as proven by the release of the game) is turn uPnP off and viola, you can fly in Open and not see a soul. Ever.

This was the major issue when the game came out, as FD left uPnP off in the game settings. We had to edit the file ourselves to fix it.
Even private groups were hit by that one.

So, 1 small setting and suddenly no one can see you even in Open mode.

Not to mention, some family house holds run that many devices, your own ping may cause the matchmaker to dump you in private instances for the sake of other players. All I need is my children to start streaming music and films and I'm effectively playing Solo despite what mode I've picked at the menu.

Instancing is a big part of the game, and we've not covered the 32 limit no one has ever reached.

So, tell me again your big plan of forcing your PvP on me if I play open mode.

The inability for FD to make instancing work aside.

I have 100% more chance of seeing you in open, IF YOU ARE IN OPEN.

 

[ianw]

The inability for FD to make instancing work aside.

I have 100% more chance of seeing you in open, IF YOU ARE IN OPEN.

Unless - you know - he's in another instance.

 

[Robert Maynard]

The inability for FD to make instancing work aside.

I have 100% more chance of seeing you in open, IF YOU ARE IN OPEN.

Of course you do - however we have all been given the freedom to choose which mode we play in on a session-by-session basis and the encouragement to "play the game how you want to" - that tends to suggest that theer is no requirement for any player to be another player's content - unless the player chooses to play in the same mode, at the same time, on the same platform, from a location / network connection with mutually acceptable ping times to allow the matchmaking system to place both players in the same instance - unless, of course, the location is busy in which case they may well be in separate instances....

 

[Cowboy Bats]

These are issues that can be sorted via choice and yes some people will have to lose out for the greater good.

So very true. That was already discussed at FDHQ. They decided that the overly aggressive open only crowd was taking one for the team. So please, no more bitter whining about the ability to switch modes, influence modes, etc. It was for the greater good.

 

[Jockey79]

The inability for FD to make instancing work aside.

I have 100% more chance of seeing you in open, IF YOU ARE IN OPEN.

No, you still have 0% of seeing me, as you have no idea where I am - 400 Billion systems to pick from, in case you forget.
Oh and I do play in open when I'm mining, which I do quite regularly now. Feel free to look for me.

There are people who have never used Solo or Groups and have never, ever seen another person - care to explain?
Trust me, your griefing style of play (proven by what you did in the Mobius Group) was thought of and countered by FD long ago.
It does not work here, the games basic design was so you'd not enjoy it if your only reason to play it is to make others miserable, as they can and will play the game without you.

And in case you missed it, there are quite a few of us playing the game who not only enjoy the game, but really relish that we know just how much it annoys people they cannot impact our game in anyway what so ever.

I suggest you find other ways to amuse yourself. As the modes are not going anywhere.

On second thoughts, you may see me - when CQC comes to the PC, if you play it.
But then, you'll see me because I say so, not because you say so - just how the game was designed

 

[Major Plonker]

So very true. That was already discussed at FDHQ. They decided that the overly aggressive open only crowd was taking one for the team. So please, no more bitter whining about the ability to switch modes, influence modes, etc. It was for the greater good.

Very succinct and very true, take heed as this post sums it all up in a nutshell!

 

[QziQza]

Oh look it is another chicken little post.

Please oh wise and glorious leader, please bath us with your brilliance and show us how you know the rate that core players are leaving and that they are not being replaced by new players?

And how magnanimous of you with your quote about "some people will have to lose out for the greater good." Yes.. the greater good of YOUR play style.. you know.. the pirate, the person who openly admits to infiltrating Mobius and pirating them, self professed ganker.

what? really.. wow that is low, i know there are a minority of bags in open, but at least they have the decency (and a valid argument) to ply that attitude in open play. joining a pve group with the sole purpose of hunting down and pirating unsuspecting, trusting commanders within the group speaks volumes, especially when you consider the lack of excuses and non-apologetic nature behind that particular situation, even going as far as to defend it as genuine game play and totally acceptable. I was trying to think of something to relate this too in real world terms, and all i could come up with was this.. it is equivalent to a senior cadet, pretending to be a junior cub, so they can go on the same camping trip just to push the cubs around and feel bigger, more superior and better about themselves. it is a shallow and shameful attitude.

this i think is the best part of having the 3 modes.. choice of who to play with and how you want to interact with them. i do like pvp, but i like it to be consensual.. which works great in a group environment with a rule set that all players understand and work within, CQC will be a great addition for that very reason. pushing for a personal play style is just trying to dictate to others, and the only reason this discussion keeps going round in circles. we each have a right to play the game we purchased.. those arguing against a change, are actually arguing for the right of continue playing the game that FD designed, FD released and they purchased on those grounds.. anything else is arguing for a different game.

 

[Lestenio]

Which part of the game am I not playing?

I have traded, explored, mined, bounty hunted, pirated, smuggled and power played.

In my average day I do all of the above except the mining and exploring.

I just do it in open where others can interact with me however they choose.

And I have done all of those things (minus the pirating) in Solo, Open, and a Group.
Awesome isn't it!

 

[QziQza]

Which part of the game am I not playing?

I have traded, explored, mined, bounty hunted, pirated, smuggled and power played.

In my average day I do all of the above except the mining and exploring.

I just do it in open where others can interact with me however they choose.

however they choose..? interesting choice of words, seeing as your entire argument is about dictating, and changing a players right to interact as they choose.

 

[Janichsan]

1) That player needs to really decide what is important to them. The safety of Solo/Private or playing with his friends. Cant have both.

Weird. I thought playing safely in a private group with their friends – and thus having both – was an option… I must have been wrong…

2) If they are away on business and have bad internet. They just need to man up and accept that they cannot play for a bit. When I travel I cant always get netflix, so what.. Should netflix make a special version for me?

Your loss for choosing Netflix, because several competitors allow watching offline for exactly these circumstances…

 

[Faded Glory]

Which part of the game am I not playing?

I have traded, explored, mined, bounty hunted, pirated, smuggled and power played.

In my average day I do all of the above except the mining and exploring.

I just do it in open where others can interact with me however they choose.

That's excellent, the game seems to be working well for you then, and presumably others too.