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I am actually quite happy with the choices we have at the moment, Open, Solo and Group. It means the user can choose the game experience they want. I usually chose to play in a Group not because everyone in Open is a murderer but because I don't want that possibility happening to me.
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And before anyone starts making references to my manliness or my ability to cope with a setback I need to confess that after work I sometimes like to listen to peaceful music and send an hour or two doing jigsaw puzzles to help me unwind and sometimes I like to play ED but not necessarily for the adrenalin.
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I come from a time when you didn't need an internet connection to play a game or the company of others to enjoy it.
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And before anyone starts making references to my manliness or my ability to cope with a setback I need to confess that after work I sometimes like to listen to peaceful music and send an hour or two doing jigsaw puzzles to help me unwind and sometimes I like to play ED but not necessarily for the adrenalin.
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I come from a time when you didn't need an internet connection to play a game or the company of others to enjoy it.
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My reason for playing in Solo or Private Group:
Human pirates want to ruin my fun by destroying my ship and cargo, or stealing my cargo. This is not what I want from this game!
I hear human pirates complaining about their fun being ruined because we "chicken out" and play in Solo to avoid them. Well that puts the shoe on the other foot doesn't it? It's not nice when your fun is ruined, is it? So stop complaining about us ruining your fun, because you only want it to be you ruining our fun, but we aren't letting you.
Human pirates want to ruin my fun by destroying my ship and cargo, or stealing my cargo. This is not what I want from this game!
I hear human pirates complaining about their fun being ruined because we "chicken out" and play in Solo to avoid them. Well that puts the shoe on the other foot doesn't it? It's not nice when your fun is ruined, is it? So stop complaining about us ruining your fun, because you only want it to be you ruining our fun, but we aren't letting you.
Well nobody is stopping you, grab a combat ship and kill the pirates. Try to ruin their fun - but this will never happen. Because people who do it, actually enjoy fighting and are not scared of losing a fight.
You know you can defend yourself and also invite some friends to have fun and shoot a bit?
But fine, stay in solo and miss all the fun. Pirating guys who are so scared is not funny at all.
Thanks, that's very kind of you, I will.
As a Solo/Group player I see no contradiction with Power Play and my choice of gameplay at all and I'm actually looking forward to it. We'll see how much "vs. content" it actually is when we get a flood of complaints about it being unfair to Open, as usual. Probably because they don't understand it and think that it was meant for them exclusively. As usual. We're already getting them now and it hasn't even been released yet.
You're treating the game like it's World of Tanks or something. I am also wondering whether you actually know what piracy is.
Attacking players to kill them is not piracy. Stopping players and using the threat of attack as an attempt to steal their stuff is piracy.
Nobody tries to pirate vultures, do you know why? Because they can't really carry any cargo. Nobody tries to fight in a type 6, do you know why? Because they can't really fight. And then you have other ship classes away from dedicated combat or trade. You have generalist ships, explorers and people transports.
So what does that mean?
That means the game is designed in such a way that encounters with others are almost always asymetrical. You'll only very rarely run into a ship which has similar capabilities to your own ship, and when you're in a Type 9, flying along on your way to Simpson Depot, you can't just "grab a combat ship and kill the pirates" there and then. You can't fight them either.
In the case of piracy... great! Stop me, demand my cargo or my life. Make the Elite universe immersive and fun. If I don't surrender my wares or if I try to fight back let's go for it! But the point of this encounter is the piracy and the universe, not the "shoot a bit".
When we come to the "shoot a bit" you need to understand that for almost all players of any game anywhere asymetrical combat of the magnitude in Elite is not fun. It's like playing chess against someone who has had their queens, bishops, and knights removed from the board at the very start of the game. A few people will find that sort of play fun, but not because they like the actual play but because they like to win and want all the odds to be overwhelmingly in their favour - hence they don't really want competitive PvP at all.
I've done most of my piracy in a type 6. When I can afford a type 9 I'll be giving that a go too, especially if I don't have to scoop up loot with it.
Is it really that hard to admit that people don't want to play with you ? So far, it's people like you who created a problem where there is none, and you're now resorting to "arguments" like 'you're missing all the fun' or 'you're scared'.
Flash news, he ain't missing anything, he's playing his way.
When people don't play the same games than you, are you telling them that they're missing all the fun and are scared of playing your games ?
Honestly sometimes I think it's those players who are scared. They need other players to have fun and we don't. When we choose not to play with them they are missing out on their fun and it scares them that we have that power over them.
I also think this is the very source of the debate. IMO, they can't even pull the card of the "playing my way" because they need to enforce their way on other players anyway. I'm ready to bet that those who are willing to play with them (those who stay in Open after being pirated/killed) are a minority.
edit : dang it Steve, looks like I repped you too much
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But it is no fun for me, its just annoying. And go hunting other Peoples and ruining there fun is the most un-fun thing to do I can think of. You really need to understand that what is fun is very subjectiv and can vary a lot from Person to Person.
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cryon1cang3l i hope you do not mind me posting a reply to another thread in here, but it was OT for that thread.
agreed Elite dangerous has multiplayer as a large part of its core.
but if you listen to the multitude of dev videos, this multiplayer is designed to be completely optional, AND for the most part is meant to be balanced so as to be co-operative not adversarial.
One of the reasons other than the difficulty of getting it to work, that the offline was dropped was that DB said the game uses so little bandwidth that you can play it on a train using 3G and it only uses a few KB of data. Tell me how you can manage that in open?
suggesting that FD should drop solo & private, or lock all players out of open who have ever dared to play outside of said "special" place is about as sensible as me coming in and demanding that FD should shelve supercruse, or get rid of boring docking and have a cut scene..................................
Mind you, plenty have done that to so.......
But just because some people are ignorant of what Elite is supposed to be, should not mean that they wade in and ruin the game for those who knew what they were getting.... and ruin it is EXACTLY what locking or removing modes will so. Elite for me is, and always will be either a solitary game OR a social game with like minded folk. I have zero interest in competitive play, but for reasons listed many many times, the ability to allow players to sometimes go into, or more importantly OUT OF open from time to time is essential.
agreed Elite dangerous has multiplayer as a large part of its core.
but if you listen to the multitude of dev videos, this multiplayer is designed to be completely optional, AND for the most part is meant to be balanced so as to be co-operative not adversarial.
One of the reasons other than the difficulty of getting it to work, that the offline was dropped was that DB said the game uses so little bandwidth that you can play it on a train using 3G and it only uses a few KB of data. Tell me how you can manage that in open?
suggesting that FD should drop solo & private, or lock all players out of open who have ever dared to play outside of said "special" place is about as sensible as me coming in and demanding that FD should shelve supercruse, or get rid of boring docking and have a cut scene..................................
Mind you, plenty have done that to so.......
But just because some people are ignorant of what Elite is supposed to be, should not mean that they wade in and ruin the game for those who knew what they were getting.... and ruin it is EXACTLY what locking or removing modes will so. Elite for me is, and always will be either a solitary game OR a social game with like minded folk. I have zero interest in competitive play, but for reasons listed many many times, the ability to allow players to sometimes go into, or more importantly OUT OF open from time to time is essential.
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Brilliant! I salute you! o7
To bad for you that solo/group dont whine about nerfing open though ...
We should totally ask for more rewards to incentivise us to play the mode we already play though. That's only fair and balanced, right?
oooo how exciting, it makes it sound like solo and group players are some insidious / nefarious underground faction........... The truth is, the only ends I am trying to achieve are keeping the features of the game which encouraged me to back as much as I did, as well as hoping that Open begins to operate as it was promised to, where decisions to play how you choose have significant and semi lasting and some what believable repercussions. From what I can tell it is the players playing in Open generally who are trying to limit those outside of open from playing the way that was advertised. However iif I am mssing something not already covered a million times please do share!
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I think we're also all avoiding the elephant in the room: Explorers!
It's ridiculous, they are all hiding out around Sag A* and other hard to reach places when they all should be in Lave in unshielded transporter ships. I mean, seriously , we all know that Lave is the one and only place to be at and it is high time that Frontier remove all the other star systems. We all know the only way to enjoy this game is when we're shooting eachother in the face and it's insane how Frontier Devs allow explorers to spoil their own and other players fun by going away from the heavy populated places. Or FDev should make a weapon that has a range of 30,000 LY.
(If this sounds silly, consider how it sounds to people who enjoy playing single player games to hear they should be playing them because they are deluding themselves that they have fun)
It's ridiculous
, they are all hiding out around Sag A* and other hard to reach places when they all should be in Lave in unshielded transporter ships. I mean, seriously , we all know that Lave is the one and only place to be at and it is high time that Frontier remove all the other star systems. We all know the only way to enjoy this game is when we're shooting eachother in the face and it's insane how Frontier Devs allow explorers to spoil their own and other players fun by going away from the heavy populated places. Or FDev should make a weapon that has a range of 30,000 LY. (If this sounds silly, consider how it sounds to people who enjoy playing single player games to hear they should be playing them because they are deluding themselves that they have fun)
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