If you want to bring others around to your point of view and have them take your opinion seriously you do need to provide at least some foundation for it. "I think this is the case" is, at best, weak.
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If you want to bring others around to your point of view and have them take your opinion seriously you do need to provide at least some foundation for it. "I think this is the case" is, at best, weak.
I've given up on trying to push that Boulder up-hill.
Until we get hard stats it's one opinion vs another. And my opinion is at best massively outnumbered.
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The only issue I take with the discussion is that efficacy forces players out of Open into Private. I am not happy with the forced choice, but do understand it is my choice. However, it is a design issue that might have some workaround...even if it is to not have those types of community events in this game. I would like to see it worked around. I also wouldn't mind seeing the race type of CG not used again. This issue is identical to those that do not want to feel compelled to play in Open. Again, I have no answer to fix it. However, I do believe that Fdev will do something to make this work for everyone.
But it's still your choice to make. You weigh up the pros and cons and make your decision. You weigh up "interaction" against "competitive edge". If you choose Open over Solo for some sense of honour or pride or just because it's more fun, then good for you, but one must usually sacrifice something to hold to one's principles. If winning is more important then play Solo. Note though that the game does not care which mode you play in, or complete a CG in. In short, no-one is being forced to do anything.
I do wonder how the task would play out if everyone did the CG "straight" instead of some of you spending the same time trying to stop others.
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I just had an Idea, and I cant believe I didnt think about it before. If this idea has already been posted in this monster of a thread, then I apologize, because I cant read every possible page lol
Instead of nuking modes or changing "effectiveness" of modes (one of my original ideas), why not just lock the community goal into the mode you first picked it up in? If you pickup the community goal in open, you can only contribute in open. If you pick it up in group/solo - then you can only contribute in group or solo. Any bounties/trades/etc turned in in a different mode will have absolutely no affect on your standing.
Although, they would have to have a way to make sure the person doesnt buy the trade in open, log into solo, go to CG station, Log back into open to make the trade. Im sure they could come up with a way to "tag" the client each time you login to a mode, and if that "tag" changed since you bought the goods then the trade (or kill) wont count.
Everyone still affects the goal in the same way 100%, everyone can still participate, there will be no advantages or disadvantages but at least one of the bigger problems being discussed will get resolved
I know this wont silence the people who want to try and do "blockades" and the like, but at least it will silence the people who are complaining about "Community Goal Mode Switchers"
Instead of nuking modes or changing "effectiveness" of modes (one of my original ideas), why not just lock the community goal into the mode you first picked it up in? If you pickup the community goal in open, you can only contribute in open. If you pick it up in group/solo - then you can only contribute in group or solo. Any bounties/trades/etc turned in in a different mode will have absolutely no affect on your standing.
Although, they would have to have a way to make sure the person doesnt buy the trade in open, log into solo, go to CG station, Log back into open to make the trade. Im sure they could come up with a way to "tag" the client each time you login to a mode, and if that "tag" changed since you bought the goods then the trade (or kill) wont count.
Everyone still affects the goal in the same way 100%, everyone can still participate, there will be no advantages or disadvantages but at least one of the bigger problems being discussed will get resolved
I know this wont silence the people who want to try and do "blockades" and the like, but at least it will silence the people who are complaining about "Community Goal Mode Switchers"
but to be honest... it's all we have
Not quite, we do have some solid evidence of what the game is and the development plan;
From the Kickstarter;
*And the best part - you can do all this online with your friends, or other "Elite" pilots like yourself, or even alone. The choice is yours...*
*you will be able to control who else you might encounter in your game – perhaps limit it to just your friends? Cooperate on adventures or chase your friends down to get that booty. The game will work in a seamless, lobby-less way, with the ability to rendezvous with friends
*Play it your way*
Your reputation is affected by your personal choices. Play the game your way: dangerous pirate, famous explorer or notorious assassin - the choice is yours to make. Take on missions and affect the world around you, alone or with your friends.*
*You simply play the game, and depending on your configuration (your choice) *
*We have the concept of “groups”. They can be private groups just of your friends or open groups (that form part of the game) based on the play styles people prefer, and the rules in each can be different. Players will begin in the group “All” but can change groups at will,*
From the forum archives;
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=6300
All Players Group– Players in this group will be matched with each other as much as possible to ensure as many human players can meet and play together
Private Group – Players in this group will only be matched with other players in the same private group
Solo Group – Players in this group won’t be matched with anyone else ever (effectively a private group with no one else invited)
(All by a Lead Designer)
Also DB on Multiplayer and Grouping and Single (01:00 - 02:01)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5JY...kuz6s&index=18
DB on "Griefing" and "Griefers"
(Listen out for the part where FD can move them in to a private group of just each other)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb5hqjxmf4M
Rededit Topic on "unusual event for players to come against players" (With Twitch Video)
http://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangero...ayers_to_come/
Direct Twitch Link; (Note DB use "Occasonial" and "unusual" regarding players interacting)
http://www.twitch.tv/egx/b/571962295?t=69m00s
Also, MMO does not mean "social" (It means lots of people connected)
Wikipedia;
A massively multiplayer online game (also called MMO and MMOG) is a multiplayer video game which is capable of supporting large numbers of players simultaneously. By necessity, they are played on the Internet. MMOs usually have at least one persistent world, however some games differ.
Oxford English Dictionary (Online);
An online video game which can be played by a very large number of people simultaneously .
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And we have a clearly defined meaning of MMO - which is half the battle here, as Open players keep asking for World of Warcraft or EVE Online "interactions" when that is not what MMO actually means.
So, we do have what we need to defend the status quo at the moment
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There is no "there", there is only the journey.
When you understand this you will have achieved enlightenment..
damn, don't throw "the wall" at ME
i just meant: since we have no hard numbers, all we have is personal speculation
Open play would still be at a disadvantage and it would be better to just start the goal in solo instead of switching.
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Aww Come now. Why did you choose to dance with the devil, then get up set when he killed you? Look you could have simply moved to solo, and moved your new ship out of there safely, you chose not too. Look ya need to understand something, "in open anything can happen" and coming on the forums and complaining about it just makes them laugh.
I'm actually sorry about your loss, trust me playing one or two hours a week, I prize my Type 6 greatly. It'll probably be 2 years before I can even look at a nice ship like the one you lost. So yea it really sucks.
My advise to you is if it happens again, try this. Come on the forums and say good fight! It was an awesome experience, "even if ya hated it". You'll actually might generate a little respect. At the very least, you'll let a little air out of there bubble.
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if you think so, just do it.
Yes, it would have the "disadvantage" of playing with others..... the very reason people pick open to start with !
Sorry man, I do respect you, and you do lay out your posts really well and easy to read, but this playing the victim is REALLY annoying when you're not one.
Just like solo and group don't think they should be compelled to switch to open to make a difference, I don't feel like I should be compelled to solo to make a difference.
damn, don't throw "the wall" at ME
i just meant: since we have no hard numbers, all we have is personal speculation
To be fair, you opened the door for me to post it... you know better than "open" play
LOL(yes, lame joke I know, but it's amused me
)I'm not sure what that refers to. What difference could it make to me by switching to Open?
Why should he feel forced to play in Private mode to be competitive. It is no different than Private players feeling forced to play open. When that fact is repaired, then most of this thread would shut down. This is only relevant in CG with competing goals that are races...side A must get to the top before Side B, to win the goal. In any other cooperative goal, it does come down to how you want to play...with the caveat that someone in Private can reach the top of the goal quicker. As long as the goal is open to everyone for the same amount of time, there is no problem.
If the goal closes when the top is reached, then it still forces people into the most efficient manner, i.e. private, because the CG could close before they can make their top reward. It just needs to be fixed.
BTW, the devs are looking at this issue with input from the community here:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=130872&highlight=vox+populi
I suggest all players read the opening post, follow the instructions and have your voice be heard.
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so we are even i think.
honestly, i think i know where you're coming from.
i have the curse of empathy and so, i often even play "devils advocate" in this forum.
buried in this thread i tried to get the "factions" together (in regards of CGs).
there was no movement for a real discussion and my tries to move towards the "open" faction were seen and exploited as weakness. so excuse me if i'm not willing to give a single inch any more.
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/sings...
Can you feel, the love tonight........
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