The Star Citizen Thread v 4

[Stigbob]

You mean 3 1/2 years

Rubbish.

Wiki quote : "The development of the game started in 2011"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Citizen#Development

Chris Roberts quote : "I’ve been working with a small team over the course of the past year to get the early prototyping and production done" he said that on 18th October 2012 minus one year 18th October 2011.

Source : https://www.themittani.com/features/exclusive-interview-star-citizens-chris-roberts

Four years and seven months, or the fifth year of development.

 

[1500]

Rubbish.

Wiki quote : "The development of the game started in 2011"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Citizen#Development

Chris Roberts quote : "I’ve been working with a small team over the course of the past year to get the early prototyping and production done" he said that on 18th October 2012 minus one year 18th October 2011.

Source : https://www.themittani.com/features/exclusive-interview-star-citizens-chris-roberts

Four years and seven months, or the fifth year of development.

Don't forget the best part.

We’re already one year in - another two years puts us at 3 total which is ideal. Any more and things would begin to get stale.

-Chris Roberts

The funny thing is that he was right.

 

[Toumal]

Rubbish.
...
Four years and seven months, or the fifth year of development.

No no no! E has been in development for 76 years. SC only for three weeks so don't be so damn impatient.

But seriously, you guys need to stop automatically dismiss everything Derek Smart says because of who said it. Yes, his games are bad. Yes he is very opinionated, he never worked in a great team where he could learn from his colleagues. But some (not all!) of his observations are valid.

Dismissing everything cuz "lol DS" is worse than anything he put out.

Except maybe for 2.4, which does not look like the substantial update SC needs.

Also the fans need to shut up talking about persistance as if it's the lord and saviour. It's a basic functionality, with SC only having a basic implementation thereof at last.

 

[Voivod]

You mean 3 1/2 years

lol people still believe this?

 

[ianw]

lol people still believe this?

Yes - it would seem some fully paid up commandos/commando impersonators still choose to contest the publicly declared statements of Chairman Roberts!

In other news it would seem PTU access may have gone from;

We need a dedicated highly motivated team of public testers to test release builds - sort of like an alpha tester but no - we don't actually mean people who paid to be alpha testers!

To

Awww shucks guys, go on then you cheeky commandos! Just sign up for 10 bucks a month and we'll give you the PTU!

 

[Soopyyy]

Yes - it would seem some fully paid up commandos/commando impersonators still choose to contest the publicly declared statements of Chairman Roberts!

In other news it would seem PTU access may have gone from;

We need a dedicated highly motivated team of public testers to test release builds - sort of like an alpha tester but no - we don't actually mean people who paid to be alpha testers!

To

Awww shucks guys, go on then you cheeky commandos! Just sign up for 10 bucks a month and we'll give you the PTU!

How is this not being flagged as a scam?
I mean, I backed it about three years or more ago now and I've been fairly patient. But there has been basically zero improvement since that time...

 

[Zetta]

No no no! E has been in development for 76 years. SC only for three weeks so don't be so damn impatient.

But seriously, you guys need to stop automatically dismiss everything Derek Smart says because of who said it. Yes, his games are bad. Yes he is very opinionated, he never worked in a great team where he could learn from his colleagues. But some (not all!) of his observations are valid.

Dismissing everything cuz "lol DS" is worse than anything he put out.

Except maybe for 2.4, which does not look like the substantial update SC needs.

Also the fans need to shut up talking about persistance as if it's the lord and saviour. It's a basic functionality, with SC only having a basic implementation thereof at last.

I honestly had no idea people really thought Elite had been under development for so long, I figured they were simply being sarcastic and then I saw this the other day https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/4h5ja7/24_the_content_confirmed_so_far/d2o57v0

 

[Stigbob]

lol people still believe this?

I don't think anyone really believes it, but it sounds better than "Yes that really is all they've got to show for 5 years and 114 million dollars. Invest in a non-persistent space fleece and a completionist package today".

Yes - it would seem some fully paid up commandos/commando impersonators still choose to contest the publicly declared statements of Chairman Roberts!

In other news it would seem PTU access may have gone from;

We need a dedicated highly motivated team of public testers to test release builds - sort of like an alpha tester but no - we don't actually mean people who paid to be alpha testers!

To

Awww shucks guys, go on then you cheeky commandos! Just sign up for 10 bucks a month and we'll give you the PTU!

I suspect that the whole subscribe for alpha access is a test of how many fully paid up "investors" are willing to add a monthly fee on top the money they've already flung at this.

 

[ianw]

I honestly had no idea people really thought Elite had been under development for so long, I figured they were simply being sarcastic and then I saw this the other day https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/4h5ja7/24_the_content_confirmed_so_far/d2o57v0

Welp, not seen this one before!

http://www.develop-online.net/news/elite-4-technology-almost-finished-says-braben/0103227

 

[Soopyyy]

Welp, not seen this one before!

http://www.develop-online.net/news/elite-4-technology-almost-finished-says-braben/0103227

Yeah, that's called R&D.
Not product development.

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I don't think anyone really believes it, but it sounds better than "Yes that really is all they've got to show for 5 years and 114 million dollars. Invest in a non-persistent space fleece and a completionist package today".



I suspect that the whole subscribe for alpha access is a test of how many fully paid up "investors" are willing to add a monthly fee on top the money they've already flung at this.

Could you imagine paying a sub for the game as it currently is?

 

[Stigbob]

Could you imagine paying a sub for the game as it currently is?

I couldn't imagine paying anything for whats currently on offer (not even bargain bin price), but then I can't understand how ship concept sales have been successful either.

I think no single ship in a game could ever be worth more than the cost of an entire AAA title plus all DLC, yet people are regularly buying them. A subscription of £10-£20 a month would probably be less than some people are already spending.

So I really do think they have a willing customer base for a subscription model, and they definitely have a customer base willing to push anything whatsoever as a good idea, a bargain and a sound investment.

 

[Soopyyy]

Its absolutely astonishing, and Frontier cop flack when they ask people to pay for more actual content!?

 

[Calebe]

If this is true CIG wants $10 a month to get the alpha early? If people think this is nothing but a pure money grab your delusional. Everyone that was an original backer was guaranteed alpha access, and now they want to charge for what? Alpha access? Oh wait let me guess this isn't alpha access, it is a developer build not good enough to be alpha but good enough to charge $10 to try it. Yup makes perfect sense. NOT! I can still see some defending it saying things like, well it isn't really alpha or they would release it. Well they are, but for a cash grab. No other way to see it. Also this set up that is causing the ruckus some get it for testing, that is what the original backers were told they would do. When in alpha they get it. If it is good enough to give to some it is good enough for all. If not then test it in house only. However now it can be a money grab and they are masters of that. Again I just read that in this thread so if it is not accurate well truth be told if they give it to some to test it should go to all FOR FREE, it is already well paid for.
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Calebe

 

[Stigbob]

Its absolutely astonishing, and Frontier cop flack when they ask people to pay for more actual content!?

One of the oddest things about the more zealous SC backers is their continual baseless criticism of released games that actually provide (for less time and money and with a higher level of quality) exactly what SC promises.

 

[VidarSnipes]

@Calebe:
Yes and no. As far as I understand it, people are given access to PTU (test server of a test server) in stages, according to some metric (registration date, the amount of bug reports or something else, I dunno). Builds in PTU ultimately are available to the rest of the rabble, I mean backers, though, after some time. There's also formerly unrelated subscription, paid in exchange for earlier look at some concepts and assorted stuff. Now it seems like people paying subscription are given the access to PTU automatically, circumventing the older process.

 

[MaxLexandre]

@Calebe:
Yes and no. As far as I understand it, people are given access to PTU (test server of a test server) in stages, according to some metric (registration date, the amount of bug reports or something else, I dunno). Builds in PTU ultimately are available to the rest of the rabble, I mean backers, though, after some time. There's also formerly unrelated subscription, paid in exchange for earlier look at some concepts and assorted stuff. Now it seems like people paying subscription are given the access to PTU automatically, circumventing the older process.

I have been invited to the PTU since the very first one, on the very first stage of invites (exception of evocati). I am neither no subscriber, neither someone who went beyond the base package.

So, "circumventing the older process" <<< Total !

 

[Soopyyy]

I have been invited to the PTU since the very first one, on the very first stage of invites (exception of evocati). I am neither no subscriber, neither someone who went beyond the base package.

So, "circumventing the older process" <<< Total !

I didn't get any invite. I don't much care, I'd not have used it but the fact remains.

 

[Toumal]

Welp, not seen this one before!

http://www.develop-online.net/news/elite-4-technology-almost-finished-says-braben/0103227

Yeah that is the Cobra Engine. You know, like the CryEngine which had been in development for many years prior. Your point?

 

[MaxLexandre]

I didn't get any invite. I don't much care, I'd not have used it but the fact remains.

Fact remains, the Subscribers were allowed access to the 2.4 PTU on/as its 3rd wave of invites (first one the 5K backers, 2nd i think later the same day, and 3rd later yesterday).

You know, like the CryEngine which had been in development for many years prior

Hmmm an Engine being created and technology developed / R&D over the years, already with the goal to do that X game, will always beat Engines like CE or UE on that matter. Now wouldn't it?

 

[Zetta]

I have been invited to the PTU since the very first one, on the very first stage of invites (exception of evocati). I am neither no subscriber, neither someone who went beyond the base package.

So, "circumventing the older process" <<< Total !

Is everybody in the same position as you then?
You make it clear you're active on discord, active at testing, bug reporting etc. So what about the people who don't fit that criteria? Paying up $10 in the last day or two and gaining themselves a PTU invite where they wouldn't normally have received one at this point is indeed "circumventing the older process".