The Star Citizen Thread v8

[TenakaFurey]

I've been reading quite a few responses from vocal SC fans over this matter and the prevailing sentiment is "Don't lump us all in together" while they forget the age-old adage of how 1 rotten apple spoils the whole basket.

The problem is that it isn't just one rotten apple.

The entire Star Citizen community has a reputation for being nasty and toxic and is extremely defensive, touchy even, about Star Citizen. Many of their forums are little more than echo chambers where each builds upon the wildest dreams and claims of each other...and demonstrate their near total lack of knowledge and experience of game development with cries of "you know nothing about game development" when faced with criticism.

Several even take it upon themselves to ride put to other websites in defence of the games honour and reputation.

That, more than almost anything else, tells me these people are aware of the problems Star Citizen is facing but simply can't handle that and are in denial.

Thankfully, those who take it to such extremes as this are in a minority.

The problem is that such people are tolerated. Even on that YouTube video, there are comments which essentially blame SidAlpha for the threats....as if having an opinion about a game justified thus response, these sick threats in any way

One bad apple doesn't spoil the bunch....but when others show sign of mould, one has to consider everything contaminated.

These threats are sick and twisted and for other members of the Star Citizen Defence Squad to comment that he essentially deserved it because he criticised a stupid game....and it IS just a game, even if people are crazy enough to spend $60k on it...is not acceptable.

CIG also share the blame because their actions and the manner in which they have created and moulded this community has encouraged this type of attitude.

I can accept that one bad apple doesn't spoilt the bunch...but the rest ARE showing signs of rot as well.

I appreciate most members of the Star Citizen community are not complicit. But many of those who are most vocal and supportive, on Reddit, on YT, on SA, on CIG and elsewhere ARE to blame for creating the toxic community which created such people.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

The problem is that it isn't just one rotten apple.

The entire Star Citizen community has a reputation for being nasty and toxic and is extremely defensive, touchy even, about Star Citizen. Many of their forums are little more than echo chambers where each builds upon the wildest dreams and claims of each other...and demonstrate their near total lack of knowledge and experience of game development with cries of "you know nothing about game development" when faced with criticism.

Several even take it upon themselves to ride put to other websites in defence of the games honour and reputation.

That, more than almost anything else, tells me these people are aware of the problems Star Citizen is facing but simply can't handle that and are in denial.

Thankfully, those who take it to such extremes as this are in a minority.

The problem is that such people are tolerated. Even on that YouTube video, there are comments which essentially blame SidAlpha for the threats....as if having an opinion about a game justified thus response, these sick threats in any way

One bad apple doesn't spoil the bunch....but when others show sign of mould, one has to consider everything contaminated.

These threats are sick and twisted and for other members of the Star Citizen Defence Squad to comment that he essentially deserved it because he criticised a stupid game....and it IS just a game, even if people are crazy enough to spend $60k on it...is not acceptable.

CIG also share the blame because their actions and the manner in which they have created and moulded this community has encouraged this type of attitude.

I can accept that one bad apple doesn't spoilt the bunch...but the rest ARE showing signs of rot as well.

I appreciate most members of the Star Citizen community are not complicit. But many of those who are most vocal and supportive, on Reddit, on YT, on SA, on CIG and elsewhere ARE to blame for creating the toxic community which created such people.

Its ok, they are now claiming it wasn't a backer but obviously a false flag by a hater of the game, so there is nothing wrong with the SC community... its probably just goons as usual.

/s

 

[Cobra1984]

Its ok, they are now claiming it wasn't a backer but obviously a false flag by a hater of the game, so there is nothing wrong with the SC community... its probably just goons as usual.

/s

I saw those claims posted too. They are just as symptomatic of a toxic, rotten to the core cult as the threats of harm.

Shame on you if you associate yourself with any of it and don't have the good sense to distance yourself from it.

 

[Jacques d'Orleans]

Its ok, they are now claiming it wasn't a backer but obviously a false flag by a hater of the game, so there is nothing wrong with the SC community... its probably just goons as usual.

/s

Obvious time for serious link is obvious
https://www.cultwatch.com/how-to-leave-recover.html

 

[Jacques d'Orleans]

New Video from Yong Yea.
[video=youtube;MYQhg9LVdys]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYQhg9LVdys[/video]

 

[Zetta]

New Video from Yong Yea.

That's fantastic, talk about really laying it down on them. Good on that man, what a superb video calling them out for all of their crap.

 

[dayrth]

I would say that is not a member of any community but rather a fringe individual that exists in all groups. Be it "white knights" or "haters" there are always idiots in all circles and i hope this person gets found and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

It's just as stupid as the fools that "swatted" people and then one person got killed from it.

What you say is true, but also part of the problem. It comes across as defending the community first and foremost. Rather than saying 'it's not the community that's at fault it's just a few lunatics' (even though this is true), why not just say 'this is totally unacceptable and I condemn anyone who would say things like this'.

If more people in the SC community simply said this then the community itself would not need defending.

 

[Jacques d'Orleans]

That's fantastic, talk about really laying it down on them. Good on that man, what a superb video calling them out for all of their crap.

I always asked my self how anybody could even seriously assume a released game after all that crap that happened during the Freelancer development until Microsoft bought the company and fired Chris Roberts which obvioulsy was the only way to safe the game and get it into a releasable state. This time there is no developer around to step in, it's history repeating itself and this time it will end in a fiasco.

 

[Snarfbuckle]

What you say is true, but also part of the problem. It comes across as defending the community first and foremost. Rather than saying 'it's not the community that's at fault it's just a few lunatics' (even though this is true), why not just say 'this is totally unacceptable and I condemn anyone who would say things like this'.

If more people in the SC community simply said this then the community itself would not need defending.

True, but i honestly did not believe i had to spell out that I would condemn someone who would threaten someone to death over a game because that should be the default reaction from any sane human being.

Personally I go by that default value and would be more worried about anyone DEFENDING such a statement or action.

 

[Garix]

True, but i honestly did not believe i had to spell out that I would condemn someone who would threaten someone to death over a game because that should be the default reaction from any sane human being.Personally I go by that default value and would be more worried about anyone DEFENDING such a statement or action.

Welcome to the internet. I take it you haven't visited it before?

Sanity has little place here.

EDIT: What the hell happened to my carriage returns?!

2nd edit: and they are back.....

 

[dayrth]

True, but i honestly did not believe i had to spell out that I would condemn someone who would threaten someone to death over a game because that should be the default reaction from any sane human being.

Personally I go by that default value and would be more worried about anyone DEFENDING such a statement or action.

You do need to spell it out though. You (and I, and everyone else here), are just a random guy on the internet as far as everyone reading your post is concerned, and as has been demonstrated, there are all sorts of nutters posting on the internet. If you don't say 'I condemn this', then nobody knows that you do.

I did not miss the bit in your post that said you 'hope this person gets found and prosecuted to the full extent of the law' and I totally agree with that. I just didn't see the need to sandwich that statement inside three other statements saying it's not the communities fault, other communities are as bad and here is an example of it happening somewhere else. Comes across as very defensive and takes the emphasis off of the condemnation. Although I am certain this was not your intention.

 

[SuBSynk]

Im glad I`m no longer part of this community:

Because that would never happen in this community right?....Right?

(I ended up having to contact the police about doxing and death threats from a well known ED player group, after ongoing harassment for a year or so. FD did nothing to help and when contacted (with evidence) the community manager wasn't even interested)

In all my time of gaming and streaming i have only come across a more toxic "community" in a few obvious games like LoL.... even Eve is comparably pretty friendly & their community management team actually ban people for breaking the ToS.

 

[Cobra1984]

Because that would never happen in this community right?....Right?

(I ended up having to contact the police about doxing and death threats from a well known ED player group, after ongoing harassment for a year or so. FD did nothing to help and when contacted (with evidence) the community manager wasn't even interested)

In all my time of gaming and streaming i have only come across a more toxic "community" in a few obvious games like LoL.... even Eve is comparably pretty friendly & their community management team actually ban people for breaking the ToS.

Did you receive death threats for criticising the game?

Didn't think so.

Chris Roberts was quick enough to have Derek Smart refunded and banned from the community for criticising the project.

 

[dayrth]

Because that would never happen in this community right?....Right?

(I ended up having to contact the police about doxing and death threats from a well known ED player group, after ongoing harassment for a year or so. FD did nothing to help and when contacted (with evidence) the community manager wasn't even interested)

In all my time of gaming and streaming i have only come across a more toxic "community" in a few obvious games like LoL.... even Eve is comparably pretty friendly & their community management team actually ban people for breaking the ToS.

Thank you for so clearly illustrating my point.

Just so that I am clear. I condemn such behavior in the SC community, the ED community and everywhere else. Hate, threats and incitement to harm are not acceptable anywhere at anytime. It is especially baffling when it happens over a video game of all things :S

 

[[VR] Merkir]

The Star Citizen online community is a toxic, ideologically possessed cult. That's all there is to it and that is clear to everyone looking at it.

Unjustified vilification of an entire online community because one nutter's reprehensible behaviour has been exposed. And please don't include me in your "clear to everyone looking at it".

The hypocrisy is breathtaking.

 

[Cotic]

The subreddit has weighed in on YongYea's video https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/8p584l/yongyea_weighs_in_on_the_legatus_package/

 

[CmdrKull]

Because that would never happen in this community right?....Right?

(I ended up having to contact the police about doxing and death threats from a well known ED player group, after ongoing harassment for a year or so. FD did nothing to help and when contacted (with evidence) the community manager wasn't even interested)

That's pretty shocking. I really like Elite, I find it very relaxing. It's hard to wrap my head around someone threatening to kill someone over... What?... I mean, to me it's like a virtual hammock on the beach. I fly cargo while I have a beer after work!

I wonder if the majority of the SC backers are thinking the same thing right now. I mean, it's not some competitive game at the moment, it's an ongoing (?) Project that let's you log in and do very very little. SC has the differentiator that some people have spent WAY more money than most would consider sane, but it's still a video game (or eventually will be) at the end of the day.
Mental Illness. That's the only real explaination for this kind of crap, IMO. Video Games, especially virtual world's such as our favorite games aim to provide, seem to attract mentally ill individuals. It makes sense, as they would struggle to fit in in the real world and want to escape to another, more ideallic world (don't we all).

Anyway, I'm sorry to hear you weren't backed up when confronted here, and I hope people know to let down their guard and deal with disturbed individuals as one unified front, but also with care. Subsync, you were right to involve the police in your case. Same thing needs to happen in this case.

 

[CmdrKull]

Ah man, and on a lighter note, the fans are forced to get creative now that development time looks to surpass WoW.

First off, take Cyberpunk 2077, a single player game, also started development in 2012 and to be released in 2019. So 7 years development is not that weird in the industry, especially when you are doing something a but more ambitious than the next yearly instalment of an old series.

 

[Tippis]

Unjustified vilification of an entire online community because one nutter's reprehensible behaviour has been exposed.

Again, it's not “one nutter”. With the number of them out there and the support they keep receiving, it's more characterisation than vilification, and not nearly as unjust as you want it to be.

 

[Zetta]

Ah man, and on a lighter note, the fans are forced to get creative now that development time looks to surpass WoW.

I've never understood the Cyberpunk comparison, for a start it's not crowdfunded so no-one is losing out and secondly most of the studio was working on the Witcher 3's expansions until mid 2016 or so.

Next they'll be using Duke Nukem Forever as an excuse... and what happens when they surpass that?