From what I been seeing so far there are still dips down bellow 30 FPS(with good CPU&GPU-1080p)but comparing this with previous patches(non-OCS) when your frames can go sometimes bellow double-digit numbers this looks like paradise......anyway I personally didn´t tried yet,I gonna wait for regular LIVE release can´t be bother with PTU release and copy 50 gigs all over again....
The Star Citizen Thread v9
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From what I been seeing so far there are still dips down bellow 30 FPS(with good CPU&GPU-1080p)but comparing this with previous patches(non-OCS) when your frames can go sometimes bellow double-digit numbers this looks like paradise......anyway I personally didn´t tried yet,I gonna wait for regular LIVE release can´t be bother with PTU release and copy 50 gigs all over again....
It is also worth remembering they took out huge chunk of things that made that framerate to tank in first place. Those things will get re-added eventually.
Can anyone confirm that is still the case in PTU? They removed something like 90% of the npcs if I recall?
Disregarding a subjects or individuals track record allowing for complete neutrality despite gathered experience in this matter would be equal to.....naiveté is too weak a word....I ll say "stupid" because you allow yourself to be taken advantage of every single time. Going about like this through life would see your ruined in a short time. Hence WHY we take in all kinds of factors to evaluate new information. It would be irresponsible to make decisions on such a flawed logic.
Fool me once....and all that you know.
CiG has without a doubt made a lot of mistakes, lied openly and tried to twist word meaning to allow them to get away "technically" while advertising the full meaning of said words. At no time has CiG and thus Star Citizen held up the standards or expectations that it invoked back in 2012. The "Pledge" is but a silly joke at this time and CiG refuses to admit mistakes and impossibilities even when cornered and unable to provide evidence for said issues.
I d say its no wonder that in general people are suspicious and dont handle Star Citizen like an unwritten blank page of paper anymore...you cant really blame them. This is by their own making. Too often have they abused and mistreated backer trust to get where they are and I would seriously call anybody who states that 200 million dollars are a good investment for what Star Citizen currently has to offer extremely biased or simply disillusioned and thats the two nicest terms I can think of. All too often people demonstrate an underlying agenda openly twisting and changing facts and outright attacking opposing views on a personal level.
The amount of free praise Star Citizen gets by a few certain individuals by ignoring all glaring difficulties and the past events that preluded them while simultaneously either playing down or outright bashing another game is disrespectful and offensive to say the least and at last an invitation to stoop down to the same level. While these open mind-gymnastics are all very entertaining (and sad.....) I ll refuse to get drawn in by an obvious troll and hope that others will do the same.
If Star Citizen and more likely CiG receive an "accusatory" tone then I d say thats a treatment well deserved and earned by no other then CRoberts and his company. Thats still a loooooong way from being a hate chamber like some people try it to present. Thats the same people by the way who judge this treatment while in the same breath slamming down on either competing games or fellow posters so yeah......
SC now gets better frames than ED, especially planetside.
A bonus is the planets don't look like semi textured blobs, ohh and its seamless, having stuff to do on planets helps too.
I won't compare 3.3 to the beyond series though, that would be embarrassing
This is a blanket statement that I find hard to believe, given without context, without examples or proof and delivered by an individual who I would consider "less then trustworthy" when it comes to unbiased opinions surrounding Star Citizen. If you "want" to believe that SC is actually doing better then ED then sure, you would probably believe it without checking yourself or evaluating any proof pointing to this statement. Personally I ll wait for streams to happen but what I saw so far makes me question if the poster played ED before or if he maybe confuses official CiG advertisement videos showing pre-rendered camera sweeps with actual ingame footage from ED.....this has happened in the past so a possibility.
When it comes to the question if Star Citizen actually is a space sim I fear the answer is not so easy. Due to its whole set-up Star Citizen was kinda unique when it comes to the expected gameplay. Space Legs were an integral part from the start so its to be expected that gameplay would center around that mechanic while taking away focus from actual flying. Depending on the point of time in development this would be an understandable state allowing for later implementation of the expected space sim mechanics. That would mean very early in development maybe year 1 or 2. We are past year 6 tho with a budget that blew past its original scope many times over. This is a fact that CiG has to own, repeating it doesnt make it less true or hate speech. I m sure SC fanboys dont like it but you simply cant rewrite history.
Now mistakes clearly were made and in hindsight CRoberts had no idea what he was doing or what needed to be done back in 2012. Water under the bridge as we cannot change this anymore. I would ve hoped for open remorse tho trying to fix this mess kind of like NMS did with its botched release. And I cant see that at all when it comes to CiG. They continue to speak from a high throne openly dismissing all concerns instead continuing to claim incredible feats without showing any evidence for any of it. Until CiG owns its blanders and shows signs of correcting them I see no reason to give them any breathing room either or slack off on the criticism. Its not like most criticism is made up (a few exceptions made by trolls certainly are...). Most of the accusations are spot on and deserve evaluation. Denying them or trying to cover up these gross mistakes is almost criminal. A person who still can think clearly would recognize this even if he/she doesnt like it. On rare occasion I come across a SC-defender who actually presents arguments I cannot discard out of hand and makes me think. This has happened a handful of times tho over SIX YEARS. Most of the time I am facing inexperience, open anger and hate as well as ignorance.
It has been said multiple times in the past but due to the repetitions brought up time and time again will probably be stated more times in the future. "Star Citizen hate" is mostly mistaken for realism and recognition. No doubt CiG made grave mistakes by handling certain early questionings the way they did (Beer4TheBeerGod, DS etc) turning those individuals into enemies which would "love" to see them fall. I have been a passive observer for the first couple of years until disparities in expectation - delivery were big enough to raise my eyebrows (this was close to 2014.....the expected release date) and prompted me to participate in ongoing discussions. At this time the "trench war" was already underway and limited the locations in which discussion was even possible. Since then I have seen a lot of neutral bystanders who tried to make up their own picture walking into a cossfire triggering monstrous replies by simple innocent questions. Worse....these attempts at information-gathering were not rebuked with logic and facts but instead were taken off-topic, accusations and toxicity which made me grit my teeth in response. The theory of a Star Citizen "cult" is well deserved simply based on the behavior shown by a percentage of the pro-SC community.
So posing questions into the open were a no-go from the start. Too all-present was the rabid fans coming down and ripping into any emerging SC discussion. If any CiG official finally came to visit those threads they already turned into absolute mudfests forcing these unbiased moderators (sorry, have to laugh) to shut down the whole thing. Focus then switched to impartial third sites and official statements given by CiG.
It made me realize that many "impartial" news site were anything but impartial. Many simply repeated whatever CiG was harping at them at first without asking the tough questions that I would expect from news reporters leaving me bewildered while others were nothing but praise pieces often slamming down on other games or private persons in the process....propaganda at best and wholly nonprofessional filling me with disgust. News sites daring to voice a critical opinion were immediately under attack and called "hate pieces". This the term "hate" in context with Star Citizen has a completely different meaning that it does for the rest of the world. If you have a less then glorious opinion about SC you better shut up and if you dare to voice what you think you are a hater. Thats the best explanations that the various fanboys and shills operating in this thread can provide really.
CiG itself allowed the following fall-out by staying silent usually punishing and banning dissents on their own platform very one-sided while other companies try to distance themselves from such hostile behavior. Reading official statements or watching interviews with CiG personnel left a bitter taste in my mouth. The basic modus operandi was "saying a lot without saying much" and sorry to say but I m experienced enough at life to realize when someone tries to weasel out of an uncomfortable situation. Body language as well as answers given made me think "WHAT THE....??????" more then once leaving me as smart as I was at the beginning. CiG delivered a lot of reassurance and made promises for the future yet failed to deliver any of them ultimately refusing to give out any dates anymore when it became apparent that doing so only made em a joke.
In all this I was an uninvested bystander at best. By this time I have been attacked personally a lot of times already tho without being able to come to any conclusion other then realizing that people HATE me simply for disagreeing with them. I cannot say how I would ve acted if I would ve been treated this way and ignored by CiG if I was in with several hundred or even thousands of dollars. A second Derek Smart maybe, I dont know. Thankfully, I never bought my way into Star Citizen observing from a distance instead.
Most "hate" directed at Star Citizen is really directed at the fanatics at the bottom and not the game itself. The company receives it fair share simply by allowing these kind of responses without batting an eye and by their own mess-ups of which we have had a phletora so far. There has been a lot of good-will in the community mostly expressed by hope but it seems that most of it is used up by now and really, at some point you simply drop the smile and passiveness and return some much-needed fire to the bully who hassled you for so long.
The NICEST thing I can say about this whole affair is that IMO CiG and especially Chris Roberts are unfit to handle a project of this scope and probably have been from the very start. As such its high-time that this gross mismanagement of time and resources comes to an end. CiG has proven that it cannot deliver what it promised and allowing it to continue in such a manner makes certain people accomplices to a running scam, maybe innocently but still. If you want to mistake this evaluation as "hate" despite my explanation then I cannot help you and also have no option to change your mind.
Theranos also was present internationally with thousands of employees without having a product. This is also a fact that many willingly ignore when they harp on about how its impossible for CiG to be a scam with so many headquarters and employees world-wide.
I havent looked around yet, does anybody have a link for a current 3.3 build gameplay video? The only one I saw so far is from FTR which shows improved FPS but judging what I was able to see "better performance then ED" makes me wonder if I missed something obvious because the lag and stutters in an almost empty environment without any other players really is "LOL"
Uh, there are fps npc's now that will shoot at you.
Thats has not been in the game before.
[video=youtube;tK0A5Lw0W2o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK0A5Lw0W2o[/video]
Unfortunately in true CiG fashion "massive" doesnt represent what you can see in the video because the few players visible dont really count as massive also I really didnt see any "party" going on. Instead its more then an hour of pretty one-shots, stationary ships or panorama shots with slow-mo activity sometimes showing multiple players in one screen. It simply "reeks" of heavy editing and the title is at best clickbait. Truth be told I only skimmed through by FFing a few minutes every few seconds so if anybody takes the fall watching this all in real-time point out any timestamps at which the "party" is underway?
Some of the shots are really beautiful, saying otherwise would be a lie but the video overall is boring and tells me that Star Citizen right now is the walking and posing simulator that it was called in the recent past.
Unfortunately in true CiG fashion "massive" doesnt represent what you can see in the video because the few players visible dont really count as massive also I really didnt see any "party" going on. Instead its more then an hour of pretty one-shots, stationary ships or panorama shots with slow-mo activity sometimes showing multiple players in one screen. It simply "reeks" of heavy editing and the title is at best clickbait. Truth be told I only skimmed through by FFing a few minutes every few seconds so if anybody takes the fall watching this all in real-time point out any timestamps at which the "party" is underway?
Some of the shots are really beautiful, saying otherwise would be a lie but the video overall is boring and tells me that Star Citizen right now is the walking and posing simulator that it was called in the recent past.
Jacques d'Orleans
Banned
OH. MY. GOD!
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How long will it take you to get there? What game play takes place on the journey?
How does it compare to a 2 minute train ride through a blade runneresque city?
At Olisar the FPS was between 40 and 70, but the GPU wasn't always at 100%, sometimes dropping to 70%. CPU around 50-60%.
Ryzen 5 2600, GTX 1080 OC, 16GB RAM DDR4 3000MHz, 1440p, very High settings, no blur. Running off a Kingston V300 SSD.
I had a few stutters (probably background loadings), but overall it was very, very smooth. Also quite playable on the XBox 360 controller.
1/6 size of real moons accord to Crobbers.
I refunded in October
2015
I can't decide whether to buy star citizen part of me wants to see if I'll enjoy the huge level of detail in everything you do but a huge part of me thinks giving money to cig is supporting one of the worst approaches to game development I've seen. Really don't know of its worth a shot
That wasnt the question. Besides, boasting about finally having npcs shoot back, in a cryengine game, after 6-7 years and 200m isnt the best deflection ever...
Jacques d'Orleans
Banned
Yup, it got heavy flak for it, but not only for the missing MP mode, I might add.
OTOH, I find it funny that Sean Murray and Chris Roberts both obviously have the same problems with controlling their mouth, albeit in Sean's case it looks like he has learned his lesson.
Live streams usually answer that question for me especially if the streamer is responsive answering any questions I might have. Did you try that out already? I dont have any recommendations, any live stream will do. The streamer personality doesnt change the game.
Jacques d'Orleans
Banned
IMHO with a proper project manager, who'd had the balls to tell Chris to shut his fodder hatch and concentrate on the important stuff, this project would have progressed much further than it has until today.
There's a simple reason why he is going the "no publisher" route, because telling him to shut his mouth was exactly what Microsoft did, back then during the Freelancer development.
If Microsoft wouldn't had stepped in Freelancer most possibly would have never been released.
And no, he isn't even a rubbish project manager, he isn't a project manager at all, not even a bad one.
What we have right now is a repetition of the Freelancer development (albeit in a much bigger scale), permanently missed deadlines, release dates not met, feature bloat and so on. Just this time there is no Microsoft stepping in and saving
Initial project leader left. And when you say "who'd had the balls" how do you actually think this would have played out? What are you going to do as a project manager "with balls" if the target of your advice simply ignores you or plays the "boss card" to shut YOU up in stead? Cash Roberts received enough criticism from all kinds of sources, many of which we probably never even saw. And he decided personally that he knew better so what can you do really.
I sent them an email telling them like it is. (I used to work for Activision so I know the industry, though I didn't tell them that).
As stated it was back in March, and yes I got a full refund. I live in the UK.
Crobbers is an embarressment to the industry. I fully expect a train wreck of monumental proportions early next year.
This was the first email I sent on March 1st 2018:-
Hello CIG,
I backed the Kickstarter way back in the Dark Ages, basic download of Squadron42 with a 300i.
I'll cut to the chase, I'm really not happy with the progress made towards releasing the game and the videos I watch show a disjointed and in my opinion unoptimised game that is nowhere near release.
I downloaded the hangar years back and had a look at my 300i. That's the most gameplay I've had from your product in the best part of 6 years.
I have no interest in the product anymore and would like my money back as I think that 6 years is more than long enough to develop and release a game with the amount of funding and manpower at your disposal.
With as much politeness as I can muster, if possible I would like a full refund.
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Good fudging luck now to anyone who's been shafted by this idiot.
All you'll get is :
And that was back in 2016
I wonder if you'll get different language - either way it'll be lulzworthy
And that was back in 2016
I wonder if you'll get different language - either way it'll be lulzworthy
Meh these edited videos are typical for last year or so. Way easy money if you monetize such video.