The Star Citizen Thread v9

Jacques d'Orleans

Banned
Jacques d'Orleans
sovapid said:
Getting the boot from 3.4:

* Female Characters
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Agony_Aunt said:
Those poor poor female characters.
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We must understand that! As a consolation for them backers they will have a ship sale, now is your chance, Commandos. /s
Female player characters are a serious issue which has never been done before, praise our lord and savior Crobear for his endless efforts to bring diversity, fidelity, erm, Felicia to the game. /cynism
 

Jacques d'Orleans

Banned
Jacques d'Orleans
McGlashan said:
If you're reduced to keeping tabs on the minutiae of the community support department, that goes to show how weak SC's pulse is.
But it's good to know they're now using backer money to pay people to suppress negative opinions on their forums, as the increasing tide of dissent was becoming too much work for mere volunteers.
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They've just changed the system of opressions name from NKVD to KGB, so to say. It would be really naive to expect anykind of change over at the ranch.
 

hunvagy

hunvagy
Jacques d'Orleans said:
We must understand that! As a consolation for them backers they will have a ship sale, now is your chance, Commandos. /s
Female player characters are a serious issue which has never been done before, praise our lord and savior Crobear for his endless efforts to bring diversity, fidelity, erm, Felicia to the game. /cynism
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Jiggle physics are hard. CR should ask the DOA team for help :p
 

Thargon

Thargon
hairychris said:
"I am a Pocket Communicator game."

Checkmate, atheists!
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Well, there's always the Star Citzen App to turn your mobile smartphone into a MOBIGLAS! Damnit, did I suggest that? If Croberts is reading, I'm sure he will jump on it!! (seeing as they have no imagination whatsoever, and steal everyone else's ideas on everything)...
 

Tippis

Tippis
Thargon said:
Well, there's always the Star Citzen App to turn your mobile smartphone into a MOBIGLAS! Damnit, did I suggest that? If Croberts is reading, I'm sure he will jump on it!! (seeing as they have no imagination whatsoever, and steal everyone else's ideas on everything)...
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I wouldn't worry about it. By the time SC comes out, mobile phones will be too powerful to maintain the low FPS required to not have the game break down, kind of like how you can't play many old DOS games without a slow-CPU-layer of some sort. And obviously, SC will not be compatible with such unfidelitous tech.
 

Jonny Shiloh

Jonny Shiloh
sovapid said:
Getting the boot from 3.4:

* ArcCorp
* Female Characters
* 300 series rework


3.3 should go live tomorrow followed soon by 3.3.5 and Hurston to the PTU......


https://youtu.be/Y3ymwCq1exw?t=132
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What an odd ATV that was. Chris looked particularly sweaty and shifty, and it seems his "hair" was making a serious attempt to disassociate itself from the top of his head, but no wonder - his VP of Marketing was apparently unaware until recording that 3.4 is going to be the "lite" version because they can't deliver the full fat version originally slated for Dec 20th PU release... at least she found out from the Code Whisperer himself I guess, but I'm not sure I'd want to be him after the show was recorded and they got home.
 

Thargon

Thargon
Jonny Shiloh said:
What an odd ATV that was. Chris looked particularly sweaty and shifty, and it seems his "hair" was making a serious attempt to disassociate itself from the top of his head, but no wonder - his VP of Marketing was apparently unaware until recording that 3.4 is going to be the "lite" version because they can't deliver the full fat version originally slated for Dec 20th PU release... at least she found out from the Code Whisperer himself I guess, but I'm not sure I'd want to be him after the show was recorded and they got home.
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Pay Toupee.
 

Thargon

Thargon
"Gamedev" seems to be the new buzzword. Oh Look! We have done 2Tb of work! (But we can't show you and it's not made it into this release.... sorry).

Also, is it me or is Sandi sounding annoyed at the delays (?) Reverse psychology perhaps?

https://youtu.be/Y3ymwCq1exw?t=848

Spaceturds confirmed? I mean clouds. Clearly clouds.
 
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DLewth

DLewth
Dementropy said:
Also present at MIGS18:

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The Jpeg people live in jpeg ships.
Are the ships made of people, or are the people made of ships?
They scream, for they do not know.
 
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Tippis

Tippis
More self-inflicted damage from SomethingJones, and now we all get to share the pain:

[video=youtube_share;Y3ymwCq1exw]https://youtu.be/Y3ymwCq1exw#t=131s[/video]
Two minutes in, in case the time stamp doesn't work.

SomethingJones said:
Stor Citizer: Around the Hearse - Pilau Talk
Nov 8 2018

@ 2m10s

Sandi:
Today We'll Dig Into Some Ongoing Progress With CORE TECH, But First We're Going To Take a Look At The STATE OF ALPHA 2.3... And Some Upcoming Changes To The ROADMAP

Chris:
...yes... ah... so we got some good news... aaand some BAD NEWS...

Sandi:
Ok. Give Me The Good News First.


Chris:
Ah... OK... that's always much BETTER!

(shouting) AH, SO ALPHA 2.3 IS GOING LIVE TOMORROW! Ah, which is really cool and uh, 3.3.5 with HURSTON and LOREVILLE... ah... part of it... ahm... is coming to the PTU in SHORT ORDER as soon as we go live on 3.3... we had to... GET... 3.3 out live to people before we could... move the next sort of, uh... RELEASE into the PTU phase... so that's a real important specs... ah... STEP... and people will be able to play... ah... ah... you know... well... a nice STABLE 3.3 but also... have fu...

... you know, uhm... EXPLORE even... ahm... HURSTON even... if they're willing to... put up with a few CRASHES in the PTU... and that all gets us closer... to... next thing up... the list...


Sandi:
WeLL tHAt DoESn'T SuCK

Chris:
HAHA! No, no it doesn't, ehhh... I mean it's a little later that where we wanted to be but it's a LOTTA CONTENT and the MOST important thing is the OBJECT CONTAINING STREAMING... technology... is now stable enough for us to go LIVE and that's a big big thing 'cos we've been working on that for well over a year... uh, and it's the... it's the... sort of... TECH PILLOW that's gonna allow us to... SCALE... the rest of the world, uhm... on the CLIENT SIDE and then on the TECHNOLOGY SIDE... we're really happy 'cos that's sort of passing a really big GOALPOST that we needed to get past.

It, ah... you know... it's taken us obviously longer than we thought and it's been a bit more complicated and difficult than we thought but that is the sort of CASE with that sort of... R&D that you have to do and there's so many, you know... ISSUES that go into it that we've already DISCUSSED... ah, but ah... YEAH... but it's... it's ehm... it's good to be DONE. Good to get that working.


Sandi:
Very. Cool. So. What's. The. Bad. News. Then.


Chris:
Haha! OK, well... the BAD NEWS is, ah... some, ah... THINGS are gonna move OUT of 3.4 and into 3.5, I mean I think people understand our... are AWARE of the fact that, uh... that 3.3's been running LATE so it's, ah... been putting a lot of PRESSURE on 3.4 and the biggest knock on, and this is probably not, ah... particularly APPARENT to people... uh... is that fact that each one of our releases, ah... when we make a 3.3 or a 3.2, um... comes from GAMEDEV which is our main ELEMENT STREAM, so it tends to be... a combination of slightly stable and also full of a whole bunch of CONTENT that you're not ready, or you don't want to put in the current RELEASE...


Instead of excluding THINGS 'cos we got so many THINGS we include THINGS and say, 'OK, we want these THINGS in this release', and so it takes a LOTTA TIME you know, anywhere from... uhm... ah... I think we've never done a SHORTER THAN TWO WEEKS but it's usually more like... FOUR WEEKS... 'cos like, we have HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF FILES, ah, it's... ah... you know... GAMEDEV itself is almost TWO TERABYTES of just the dataset of GAMEDEV itself...

Ah, and that's not just the ARCHIVE stuff, that is like the actual working set... ah, so, most people only have a small portion of it depending on what area they're working on... ahm... so we have to make sure that we're make... the right ones are going ACROSS... and there's only the stuff you need for 3.3 which also takes time to STABILISE, so if... we... ah... go BACK, after we get 3.3 back from GAMEDEV, and then try to stabilise it, and then also test it and get it out, ah... everybody on the development side... um... and this was something that came up, ah... you know... just this week, ah... ah... essentially I've said... ah... we... wuh... it's gonna put us in risk of releasing, ah... 3.4... um... by the end of this year...

So we still wanna be date driven when we can, when we're not waiting for some... TECH PILLAR... and so... we made the HARD DECISION to... ah... basically STAY in the 3.3 branch which will be... come... 3.4 when 3.3.5 is out... and then move the bits of CONTENT, ah... and functionality across that we can't easily from GAMEDEV... that means that we can't move everything that we were planning to have in 3.4... and, uh... some STUFF, ah... is a bit of a BRIDGE TOO FAR, so... ah, we're going to lose some... uh...



Sandi:
So what are some... what are these THINGS... that are being PUSHED OUT


Chris:
Ha! OK... ah, well, I was just saying that, so... some of the THINGS we can move from GAMEDEV and some of the THINGS we can't. Now we're gonna have the HURSTON BUSINESS DISTRICT in 3.4, ah... so we're making sure that's gonna be in and polished, we're gonna do a lot more, ah... work and improvements on the FOIP... and the VOIP stuff... ah, the other SHIPS... ah, that we had scheduled for coming in for, uhm... 3.4 will be in 3.4 as well 'cos it's much easier to bring a SHIP or a WEAPON or an ITEM or a GUN across... uhm, but you'll know in the ah, the ROADMAP that's gonna be updated tomorrow, ahm... what... ah... what has moved and what hasn't moved, so...

The biggest ones are FEMALE, ahm, ah... player character... 'cos... that touches a MASSIVE AMOUNT OF STUFF...



Sandi:
But WHY. Is it so hard. For me to get my. Female Character.


Chris:
It's not just the fact that... ah... there's... you know... THOUSANDS OF ANIMATIONS HAVE TO BE DONE... I mean, we have the same issues that you do in the real world, where, like, a new CAR SEAT, you can adjust your seat, if you got different leg... you've got different length arms and different length legs...

Female skeleton is 5'8" and the male skeleton is 6'.

So we have to have SOLUTIONS for the female getting into cockpit, and... you know... not having their hands hyper-extended or the legs hyper-extended... ah... so there's some TECH that comes in there, there's some STUFF that happens in the character customizer... CLOTHES are another issue, uhm... so there's a HUGE amount that touches a massive amount of DEPARTMENTS and it's a lot of work... and PEOPLE have been working on it for quite a while so it's not something that we just started, it's just... it's in GAMEDEV and we're not in a position to bring it into... um... the 3.3 stream...
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SomethingJones said:
Stor Citizer: Around the Hearse - Pilau Talk
Nov 8 2018

@ 11m35s

Sandi:
But I thought you guys were working on some, like, making the game dev more efficient?

Chris:
Well... our goal is... with, ahm... GAMEDEV is that we're going to QUARANTINE it, and we're gonna have some downsce... downstream, ah... development streams... that people do their feature development in, ah, and so what will happen once that's the case is they'll develop a feature in FEATURE_STREAM and then once it's done it will get reviewed and then once we say, 'OK this looks good', it will go through what's called a QATR which is a QA Test Request and it will get fully tested and then we decide, 'OK does it... is it STABLE, does it WORK WELL, does it HURT PERFORMANCE', and if it doesn't, eh, if it... IS stable and DOESN'T hurt performance and it all works well it gets put into GAME_DEV.

So we're only gonna put things into GAME_DEV that are working and have been tested and have been polished, which will mean that GAME_DEV itself will be a lot more stable, ah... and therefore it will have several benefits... one, ah... people like ARTISTS who are always, like, at the mercy of someone putting something stable in GAME_DEV and crashing the editor... uh... the... you know, the next they get... there, they... get the editor tool and they wanna like, do their... build an environment, it CRASHES, 'cos someone's got some other feature that's broken now...

To be able to test these STREAMS, and have all these multiple... whether it's a RELEASE STREAM and a GAME DEVELOPMENT STREAM and a FEATURE STREAM and... there's MULTIPLE FEATURE STREAMS... uh, the BUILD SYSTEM has to be able to handle all those streams, and deal with it, and the... and the... and the... what we call it... COPY_BUILDS, our internal tool that you download, whatever build you wanna be able to do has to be able to take that... so...


Some other things that are in GAME_DEV like CLOUD_TECH which we are extremely excited by... and we're actually doing some really cool STUFF with it, so I think we actually have a little piece to show about that.


Jake Matthes
(Junior VFX, Wilmslow, joined Jul 2018):
So this volumetric cloud tool that I've been working on for, for uh... not too long now is still in very early development.



volumetric cloud shader for Unity, 8 euro:
https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/vfx/shaders/volumetric-clouds-25527
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