The Thargoids are more violent then us (with proof)

[Magichp]

I disagree, I've already mentioned the Guardian account. The Codex says that Thargoid society is made up of hives, and that in general we know basically nothing about them beyond that. Palin and Ram Tah have some information but they're still not part of the group that has the info on the Klaxians.

You can disagree, sure, but then I guess you have a log that says something about Thargoids being divided in at least two factions with the names of those factions, right?
Because you can disagree all you want, but the two factions mentionned in the books are not mentionned anywhere in the game, and that is a fact. "Made up of Hives" doesn't imply different factions, just not a single megahive, nothing else.
And if even Ram Tah and Palin have no info on this, then it's pretty obvious that we'll never hear about them in-game. They already don't tell much anyway ^^

If something was canon, it's still canon until proven otherwise. Premonition was certainly canon, the Klaxians and the Club are official Frontier lore provided for the writing of that book, with its supporting storylines visible on GalNet and ingame today. I believe that the Klaxians aren't going to show up ingame, but that doesn't mean they're not canon to the narrative. Until we see information that says there is definitely only one group or hive, then Premonition is canon.

And again, never said the opposite. I said and implied that even if they appeared in books and are canon to the universe, if the informations we got in these books are reliable of course, nothing has ever pointed in this direction in-game during 8 years and that it should be forgotten and ignored as soon as it becomes a part of any theory concerning in-game events.
Canon? Sure. Abandonned and irrelevant? Indeed ^^

They never had any importance outside that book, they were never mentionned outside that book, nothing even hinted at their possible existence outside that book...
Also, two factions? Just two, in a millions year-old species with enough individuals to not respond when dozens of them get killed...

 

[Rainbro]

You can disagree, sure, but then I guess you have a log that says something about Thargoids being divided in at least two factions with the names of those factions, right?

If this is the type of mention you're looking for, then I don't really have any more to say. I don't hold out much hope of one of the five people (and no, I don't think Palin/Ram Tah are any of them) in the galaxy with this information to comprehensively write it all down and put it in a log somewhere. Maybe we would have had it spelt out actually had Patreus not decided to kill the sixth for his 4D chess move.

 

[Magichp]

If this is the type of mention you're looking for, then I don't really have any more to say. I don't hold out much hope of one of the five people (and no, I don't think Palin/Ram Tah are any of them) in the galaxy with this information to comprehensively write it all down and put it in a log somewhere. Maybe we would have had it spelt out actually had Patreus not decided to kill the sixth for his 4D chess move.

Of course I am exagerrating here, to point out the obvious: Nowhere in the game or outside of their own book do we ever heard about Thargoid "factions".
Litteraly nowhere, yet you disagreed with that, so I guess you do have a log that at least hints on this?
Do the names of any faction besides "Thargoid" appears anywhere in the game? Hell, even in the game files there is nothing about it.

You don't have more to say because there is nothing more to say: there is no mention of any of these outside the only book they are mentionned in and that is true no matter how much you disagree with that statement.

So, there are 5 persons in the galaxy that "know" a deep secret that is obviously real and not possibly made up at all with mountains of evidence that no one will ever show but that secret has absolutely no impact on anything else and that they won't talk about............ And they kill each others for some "chess play" that only they care about, that "secret" is already an endangered species...
I won't research it because I don't care much, but I'm guessing that this "Patreus" isn't mentionned in the game whatsoever either, right? ^^

This part of the story should not even be considered when people are making theories and every theory using them should be immediately discarded and ignored.

 

[Rainbro]

I won't research it because I don't care much, but I'm guessing that this "Patreus" isn't mentionned in the game whatsoever either, right? ^^

Look, I know Elite's lore is not particularly welcoming to people trying to catch up, and this is a particularly niche part of it. But I have already posted my reasoning in response to these ideas and it's really not possible to explain further if we are coming from completely different understandings of the lore. Patreus, for example, is literally on the Powerplay menu, you don't even have to keep an eye on GalNet for him though he does appear frequently there. I don't like how this is coming across but if you are unaware who the Powerplay people are, I don't think a discussion about the secret society and their intel is going to work. Like you say, you don't really care and I have a problem.

 

[Magichp]

Look, I know Elite's lore is not particularly welcoming to people trying to catch up, and this is a particularly niche part of it. But I have already posted my reasoning in response to these ideas and it's really not possible to explain further if we are coming from completely different understandings of the lore. Patreus, for example, is literally on the Powerplay menu, you don't even have to keep an eye on GalNet for him though he does appear frequently there. I don't like how this is coming across but if you are unaware who the Powerplay people are, I don't think a discussion about the secret society and their intel is going to work. Like you say, you don't really care and I have a problem.

Damn, I don't know every little nook and cranny of this game by heart and and I don't know the names of each family member of some people in the game, I must surely don't know anything about the game and it makes all my previous points invalid I guess... Oh wait

I didn't touch powerplay for at least 7 years, I most likely didn't even open that menu in several years. And Patreus is just a name sitting there, no relation to any major recent event and certainly no mentions of Thargoid factions there ^^

You are digging everywhere in the hopes that I will trip somewhere along the way, refusing to discuss the valid points I made and ignoring every argument except for the occasional mistake here and there that you immediately jump at to mock. That is not a discussion.

I barely mentionned the Thargoid factions as a footnote and labeled it as an irrelevant tinfoil hat theory , so you started a long exchange to try and prove that they are relevant and failed at it. Now you try to make it look like everything I said can be dismissed because "I don't care", which is a blatant twisting of my words and an obvious try to muddy myself.

I said I don't care about your justification or the appearance of that Patreus in the game, since it doesn't change the simple fact that there is not a single mention or a single hint at Thargoid factions in the whole game, period.
Remember that you said that you "disagreed" with that? Still waiting on your in-game log inviting us all to a Thargoid Faction Bowling Contest ( Yes, this is exageration, I'd rather point it out since the last time I did this you missed it apparently... )

I said it first several posts ago, it is entirely useless to try to discuss this with someone already convinced that all of this is a fact when the only mention of all this is in a single book, had no influence whatsoever on anything, is ignored by most of the players and seemingly by ALL the devs, and is not even established as a fully reliable story in-universe......

Flee if you want, this whole "discussion" is here to stay with my arguments clearly explained and repeated and nothing from your end to counter any of it.

 

[Agema]

If they were that violent, they wouldn't carry out "stop and search" inderdictions, they'd just stop and shoot.

There's an obvious case to be made that they were carrying out observation and containment, up until humans started invading their territory and plundering the tech of their worst enemies. Take the Coalsack expansion: having already poked the bear and annoyed it off towards Pleiades direction, the only thought that appeared to go through people's minds was "Mm, gotta steal my share of Thargoid shinies too!"

Don't get me wrong, I'm on humanity's side. But as a species in-game, humanity's greed makes it remarkably stupid. So, just like real life.