The triceratops is too weak

[Jack1253]

I haven't been on these threads in a long time, so please forgive me if this has been said before. In real life a triceratops could easily fight T-Rex, however in game we see a ceratosaurus easily kill a trike. A cerato is likely half the size of a tyrannosaurus in game and I don't think that's very realistic. I understand it is a JP game but i think this needs to be fixed.

Any thoughts?

 

[FunkyCold84]

It was likely an older build they used in the video of the triceratops fighting the cerato, so it may just have been looked at or fixed already. I think (hope) for the release build it will be a little more balanced.

 

[Lora Craft69]

The gnome from the Ceratosaurus was heavily modified and was beefed up to the max, you can do the same with the Triceratops and totally reverse the outcome.
Just look at BestInSlot's video:

[video=youtube;GkkOXrojJbk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkkOXrojJbk[/video]

 

[Jack1253]

The gnome from the Ceratosaurus was heavily modified and was beefed up to the max, you can do the same with the Triceratops and totally reverse the outcome.
Just look at BestInSlot's video:

I know but in everynightriots video he had two basic dinos, the cerato still won somewhat easily.
https://youtu.be/ZXDhE09mx_E
the fight starts at 45:28
But keep in mind that both videos are an early build of the game

 

[Dinoken]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Triceratops combat abilities could be modified enough to take out a T.rex if you wanted to.

 

[Jurassic_Doco]

It is not that old a build like BO stated over at reddit. Its the actual Build near to the publication of said video. So only a few days till the launch build is there (10th of junes livestream is launch build as bo said)

 

[JosiahD]

While the fossil record has ample evidence of fights between carnivores and herbivores, I'm not sure any of it gives clear evidence of how easy or hard such fights would have been for either side or under what circumstances such fights would have been categorically easier or harder. For sure though, there would have been diversity - one cannot say that any fight would have been universally easy or hard.

 

[pollywog]

^Josiah

Triceratops was estimated at 6-12 tons. Estimates for Ceratosaurs never go over a ton; and are frequently around 700-1,000 lbs. So you are basically saying a large grizzly bear could take down a Triceratops.

You are saying a 50 lb child could take on a 250lb football player.

 

[JohnMiller1132]

I know but in everynightriots video he had two basic dinos, the cerato still won somewhat easily.
https://youtu.be/ZXDhE09mx_E
the fight starts at 45:28
But keep in mind that both videos are an early build of the game

If I’m not wrong, the genome purity of Ceratosaurus at that video is at 64% while the Triceratops is at 54%. Not sure if things might be different if both of them are at 100%....

 

[m2wester]

While the fossil record has ample evidence of fights between carnivores and herbivores, I'm not sure any of it gives clear evidence of how easy or hard such fights would have been for either side or under what circumstances such fights would have been categorically easier or harder. For sure though, there would have been diversity - one cannot say that any fight would have been universally easy or hard.

Evidence for fights involving Triceratops is actually surprisingly limited (see https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/did-tyrannosaurus-ever-battle-triceratops-95464192/).

Thing is, no carnivore is likely going to attack if he doesn't win in the vast majority of cases. If you need to hunt every couple of weeks, you really can't afford to take 50/50-chances. Any carnivore facing off against Triceratops like we see in gameplay with Ceratosaurus just seems very unlikely. I'd say much more likely scenario would be the carnivore trying to get to the trike from behind and break off if it manages to turn around in time.

 

[Parritron]

Without counting the modifications in the dinosaur that can change their stats, it would be advisable that they make a TIER list. For example:

TIER 1: T-Rex, Spino, Giga, Sucho (great size carnivores)

TIER 2: Cerato, Allo, Carno, etc. (medium size carnivores)

TIER 3: Little carnivores like Raptors, Dilo, etc.

TIER 1 Hervíbores: Triceratops, Ankylosaurus, Stegosaurus (big armored hervíbores)

TIER 2 Hervíbores: Chasmosaurus, Kentrosaurus and other medium-sized herbivores that are armed. (medium armored hervibores)

TIER 3: Medium and small herbivores without defenses

That none of the second TIER can win those of the first, except in cases of strong changes in the genome with modifications. I would see it more orderly and realistic.

My eyes also bleed when I see a Ceratosaurus kill a Triceratops so easily.

 

[Chewie102]

^Josiah

Triceratops was estimated at 6-12 tons. Estimates for Ceratosaurs never go over a ton; and are frequently around 700-1,000 lbs. So you are basically saying a large grizzly bear could take down a Triceratops.

You are saying a 50 lb child could take on a 250lb football player.

Not sure this argument is totally true, think there are many instances in today's nature where much lighter or smaller animals take down much bigger ones - its well known a single lion can take out a full grown buffalo if it knows what it's doing. Not saying the Ceratosaurus would necessarily go for a Triceratops if they ever met and I do agree it probably wouldn't (certainly not in turn based combat lol) unless it was wu-roided up, but still, weight and size are not always a factor - it's more skill set and experience.

And a child taking on a 250lb football player... I think we are talking full grown predators here, so again, not sure that's a fair comparison

 

[JosiahD]

^Josiah

Triceratops was estimated at 6-12 tons. Estimates for Ceratosaurs never go over a ton; and are frequently around 700-1,000 lbs. So you are basically saying a large grizzly bear could take down a Triceratops.

You are saying a 50 lb child could take on a 250lb football player.

Firstly your child vs football player is a garbage analogy so let's just dispense with that first shall we.

Smaller predators taking down larger prey? Happens all the time in real life. All depends on the conditions. My point still stands - don't expect the Trike to win every time.

 

[PCMR4Life]

^Josiah

Triceratops was estimated at 6-12 tons. Estimates for Ceratosaurs never go over a ton; and are frequently around 700-1,000 lbs. So you are basically saying a large grizzly bear could take down a Triceratops.

You are saying a 50 lb child could take on a 250lb football player.

You are counting for weight and also not taking mobility into account. A Triceratops would have been slower than a Ceratosaurus I bet.

 

[Lora Craft69]

It is not that old a build like BO stated over at reddit. Its the actual Build near to the publication of said video. So only a few days till the launch build is there (10th of junes livestream is launch build as bo said)

The build that IGN got is more recent than the March demo build but still a little older than the 25th anniversary build, because in the 25th anniversary build there is a UI change we didn't see in the IGN, therefore the IGN build is a early May version of the game.
Bo said it was more recent but never gave a date nor did she said a few days before the IGN video.

 

[gingeyphillips]

^Josiah

Triceratops was estimated at 6-12 tons. Estimates for Ceratosaurs never go over a ton; and are frequently around 700-1,000 lbs. So you are basically saying a large grizzly bear could take down a Triceratops.

You are saying a 50 lb child could take on a 250lb football player.

The Ceratosaurus in JP3 and JWE is substantially bigger and beefier than the real life counterpart. The largest Ceratosaurus fossil holotype has been estimated to be up to 7m, with a slender build and height not much taller than an average person. The Ceratosaurus in Jurassic Park is only marginally smaller than a T-Rex, so when taking the gene alterations into account AS WELL the Ceratosaurus killing an unaltered Triceratops is easily possible.

 

[Andrew2018]

In one of the newest videos that there is out, I am pretty sure you can see that they have use cheats to max out the Cetras ability since it basically 2 hits the Trike. Also the build is from Late April sometime since IGN has been putting out theses videos for a while and some of the features that have been changed have not been implimented and some of the UI features are different.

 

[pollywog]

In one of the newest videos that there is out, I am pretty sure you can see that they have use cheats to max out the Cetras ability since it basically 2 hits the Trike.

This sort of gameplay sort of bugs me. It's like, I maxed out my warlock so it totally demolished your wizard in 2 hits bro. As someone else mentioned, you can really see when the model snaps into the "attack" animation; and thats all the interaction is. An exchange of attack animations. Being able to "level up" dinosaurs with "genetic modifications" doesn't really make up for a feeling of substance created by a greater set of animations with a larger number of triggers which might actually make the dinosaurs seem more real. I'd gladly exchange the presence of these genetic modifications for more attention to the way the dinosaurs interact. And the thing is, these "genetic modifications" don't change the animations; they just change the "damage" done by the exact same attack animation. A bit rudimentary if you ask me. As I mentioned, a greater series of more complex animations with more triggers would be amazing. And if that could culminate with a trike horn puncturing a carnivores neck, well that would the golden.

The Ceratosaurus in Jurassic Park is only marginally smaller than a T-Rex, so when taking the gene alterations into account AS WELL the Ceratosaurus killing an unaltered Triceratops is easily possible.

Yes, the Ceratosaurus is outsized when I see it. It should only be 2/3rds the size of the Trike, but its basically the same length. Marginally smaller than a T-Rex though I think is a bit of an overstatement. I hope we see a nice range of dinosaur sizes. I wonder how big the metriacanthosaurus will be.

 

[Lora Craft69]

This sort of gameplay sort of bugs me. It's like, I maxed out my warlock so it totally demolished your wizard in 2 hits bro. As someone else mentioned, you can really see when the model snaps into the "attack" animation; and thats all the interaction is. An exchange of attack animations. Being able to "level up" dinosaurs with "genetic modifications" doesn't really make up for a feeling of substance created by a greater set of animations with a larger number of triggers which might actually make the dinosaurs seem more real. I'd gladly exchange the presence of these genetic modifications for more attention to the way the dinosaurs interact. And the thing is, these "genetic modifications" don't change the animations; they just change the "damage" done by the exact same attack animation. A bit rudimentary if you ask me. As I mentioned, a greater series of more complex animations with more triggers would be amazing. And if that could culminate with a trike horn puncturing a carnivores neck, well that would the golden.

Nobody says you have to play this way if it bugs you.
The reason they made the Ceratosaurus this strong was to quickly do the mission and nothing else.
About animations there is only so much you can do in a certain time frame, I'm pretty sure they will keep adding to it and improving it, also after release.
Also the video you saw, was a build from late April, it's safe to say that much will have changed by now.

Info about the builds used: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/429145-Game-Builds-Information-and-date

 

[PCMR4Life]

This sort of gameplay sort of bugs me. It's like, I maxed out my warlock so it totally demolished your wizard in 2 hits bro. As someone else mentioned, you can really see when the model snaps into the "attack" animation; and thats all the interaction is. An exchange of attack animations. Being able to "level up" dinosaurs with "genetic modifications" doesn't really make up for a feeling of substance created by a greater set of animations with a larger number of triggers which might actually make the dinosaurs seem more real. I'd gladly exchange the presence of these genetic modifications for more attention to the way the dinosaurs interact. And the thing is, these "genetic modifications" don't change the animations; they just change the "damage" done by the exact same attack animation. A bit rudimentary if you ask me. As I mentioned, a greater series of more complex animations with more triggers would be amazing. And if that could culminate with a trike horn puncturing a carnivores neck, well that would the golden.



Yes, the Ceratosaurus is outsized when I see it. It should only be 2/3rds the size of the Trike, but its basically the same length. Marginally smaller than a T-Rex though I think is a bit of an overstatement. I hope we see a nice range of dinosaur sizes. I wonder how big the metriacanthosaurus will be.

That would be way too much work and is an unrealistic expectation cause the number of possible outcomes, triggers and so on is pretty infinite.