Let me ask you, Why do you think Beagle Point is special? It doesn't have exotic stars, planets, it isn't particularly big or small yet it is still a POI and very known in the exploration community.
The Trouble with Associating Jump Range with Exploration Gameplay
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Let me ask you, Why do you think Beagle Point is special? It doesn't have exotic stars, planets, it isn't particularly big or small yet it is still a POI and very known in the exploration community.
Which one of the countless counter-examples do you want?
Let's just start off with fuel efficiency as a deliberate reason to slow something down.
Nah, I definetly did take many detours to get to Amundsens Star.
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Jump range gives you the maximum amount of flexibility while thousands of LY away. An exploration vessel may not need it every jump, but it's always best to have it.
Choosing something out on the edge just highlights that this is now solely a 'fringe' activity.
True but it goes to show that actually travelling to the edge still has its perks, besides, Allitnil definetly should have spent some time on the galmap to spot it.
Anyway, technology helped the great explorers of the RL, even today going to the South Pole is no joke.
I mention similar in the OP. I'm trying to make the distinction between jump range and exploration gameplay, because for some reason many seem to not really be able to tell the difference, even Frontier at times. I'm hoping for more actual exploration gameplay.
I think the DbE is an example of where things started to go goofy, at least after the game's release. I have a DbE to reach hard to reach places just for the sake of it as well, but I wouldn't bother going exploring in general in that ship.
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Of course more range is useful, but it's only necessary in extreme cases.
I've crossed the gaps in galactic arms with a 14ly jump FDL...sure every 1000ly plot was taking ~200 jumps, but I made it, and I found a lot stuff on the way.
My sentiments as well.
I'd fast prefer it if there was a possibility of getting lost, stuck, or destroyed while exploring, but what little risks there were have been continually eroded...challenge and sense of accomplishment have gone with it.
Either way, I think it still is an important conversation to have and I do hope for more "meat on the bones" for exploration gameplay. Just boosting up the jump range and adding other accessibility or quality-of-life type travel mechanics doesn't really do that other than perhaps in certain niche scenarios.
I added a TL;DR to the OP now as well for the sake of clarity.
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I'm here all week.
Funny you should mention that. I play the game as a survivalist as well, and in that respect, it could be argued that I already won the game back in 3301. It kind of reminds me of Minecraft in a way where you can sort of win once you get a bed and can just sleep through the nights, basically only losing if you make a mistake somewhere. It's kind of like that in Elite: Dangerous once you get a decently kitted out Cobra Mk. III, the PVP meta not withstanding. After that, Minecraft has the grind to get maxed out enchanted diamond gear and Elite: Dangerous has ship meta builds and top tier Engineer mods.
Anyway, just kind of a funny observation. I still enjoy both games for both similar and different reasons.
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As for being a "gentleman adventurer," it could be argued that I definitely do that as well, visiting or trying to visit all the known real nebulae in the game that I can reach in my Vulture.
While nice in it's own way, it is fairly anticlimactic. Take a pic, check out a few things, then on to the next. You have to kind of enjoy the treasure hunt of sorts in between for unique or interesting looking systems. I've come across more ELWs than I've bothered keeping track of, other than some, but it's still nice spotting them now and then.
I started out by making some comparisons between the real nebulae in the galaxy and those in the game, but found their implementation somewhat disheartening and superficial. I don't dwell on it much though and prefer to enjoy the game for what it does have to offer. And to be fair, it looks like some of the visuals for some of the nebulae have been updated a bit over time.
As weird as it may sound to some, I enjoy traveling the galaxy, limited as it may be regarding the game's reproduction of the real thing and various points of interest. I still find it rather compelling. Racing across the galaxy or shortening the trip does take away something from the experience. Trust me, racing across the galaxy in a Vulture isn't something I'd generally recommend doing. It's kind of nice to do once or twice though just for the experience.
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Yup, and that answers your question - that's why jump range is so important, because since there's nothing to do along the way, it better be as short as possible.
i've thought I've seen all the complaints in the game but this one is exceedingly rank.
nothing prevents you as a player from making a ship with a limited jump range. nothing prevents me from maxing out jump range. nothing keeps either of us from exploring.
I ran across an ELW while jonking to a certain area. I stopped and actually explored the area for more ELW's and found 2 more.
this whole discussion and others about the subject is just OP trying to impose their opinion on others.
nothing prevents you as a player from making a ship with a limited jump range. nothing prevents me from maxing out jump range. nothing keeps either of us from exploring.
I ran across an ELW while jonking to a certain area. I stopped and actually explored the area for more ELW's and found 2 more.
this whole discussion and others about the subject is just OP trying to impose their opinion on others.
Ha ha. OK. Not sure you read the OP, but if you say so...
Maybe I should have put the TL;DR at the beginning of the post instead of at the end for some of you. Oh well.
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This is obviously some strange usage of the word "awesome" that I wasn’t previously aware of.
I haven't read this whole thread so forgive me if I'm treading old ground.
I get the sentiment of the OP, but a small jump range is somewhat of a hindrance to travelling to the place you want to explore. Obviously it most benefits those who are trying to get somewhere a long way out, be at a nebula, Sag A, Beagle Point, Colonia or whatever...a small jump range is going to drive you nuts getting there...but that's travelling not exploring.
For exploring, even if you're travelling 1,500Ly outside the Bubble to find some undiscovered turf, a stock FSD is going to take you a lot of jumps to get there...with an Asp rocking 50Ly you can get there in half an hour or so...then, if you want to explore a tight-knit region, it's easy enough to put your route finder in economical mode and take your time.
For exploring there's no benefit to a large jump range. For travelling there obviously is.
I get the sentiment of the OP, but a small jump range is somewhat of a hindrance to travelling to the place you want to explore. Obviously it most benefits those who are trying to get somewhere a long way out, be at a nebula, Sag A, Beagle Point, Colonia or whatever...a small jump range is going to drive you nuts getting there...but that's travelling not exploring.
For exploring, even if you're travelling 1,500Ly outside the Bubble to find some undiscovered turf, a stock FSD is going to take you a lot of jumps to get there...with an Asp rocking 50Ly you can get there in half an hour or so...then, if you want to explore a tight-knit region, it's easy enough to put your route finder in economical mode and take your time.
For exploring there's no benefit to a large jump range. For travelling there obviously is.
I tend to agree with their use of the word here. YMMV though, of course.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/271103-Navigating-the-Crab-Nebula-Labyrinth
In these sort of scenarios, jump range is more relevant, but this sort of gameplay is more limited and shrinking away from the game as a whole as the game and we as players progress within it, unfortunately. That wouldn't really be so much of an issue if there were more to exploration in the game. That's understandably somewhat a point of contention.
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Some people have a goal of reaching all three elite titles in a Sidewinder. Imagine if they forced the game developers to only allow players to use Sidewinders until the got all three elite titles.
If you like limits, set them for yourself. Don't force it on others.
If you like limits, set them for yourself. Don't force it on others.