The Weapon nerf screenie and Video compilation thread

[Mastadon623]

@sallymorganmoore In the 7.01 update thread, you asked us to provide you with evidence that other weapons' stats were inadvertently affected by the patch. I'm creating this thread to consolidate our collective feedback and to make your life easier finding it all. We'll eventually file a bug report once we've gathered the information from everyone.

As a point of reference, I will be using the engineering values found on Inara's Engineering blueprints page to define what the baseline stats should be, found at https://inara.cz/blueprints/.

So without further adieu...

Known Weapon stat errors in Update 7:
Most of the Pulse laser engineering was broken:

Affected pulse laser engineerings:

• (FIXED) Efficient (damage nerf)
• (FIXED) Overcharged (damage eliminated)
• (PARTIAL)Rapid fire (damage not being reduced as expected, rate of fire buff)
  • Damage is now being reduced at the expected rate. however, the rate of fire is still showing as 53.85% when it should be 35%. However, I'm not sure if that's how it should be for pulse lasers since I'm not seeing a reduction in reload time. Maybe other folks in the community could weigh in on this one?
• (FIXED) Short Range Blaster (damage nerf)

I'm going to hop in my explorer and make some visits to the other engineers to see which weapon engineering values deviate from what Inara says they should be. I'll only be checking the G5 values, though, so there might be a deviation here and there. I'll post more info to this thread when I find it.

 

[Mastadon623]

I visited all the G5 weapon engineers in the bubble and checked all the standard weapons that aren't power-play weapons or human tech broker unlocks. Here are the results from my checking of Engineering stats versus the ones reported on Inara:

NOTE: All checks were done in Odyssey. I did not check Horizons.


Base Engineering (checked versus a medium weapon):

Weapon	Engineering	Differs from Inara values?	Notes
Pulse Laser	Efficient	No
Pulse Laser	Focused	No
Pulse Laser	Lightweight	No
Pulse Laser	Long range	No
Pulse Laser	Overcharged	No
Pulse Laser	Rapid fire	???	Fire rate might be too high, but still confirming
Pulse Laser	Short range blaster	No
Pulse Laser	Sturdy	No
Burst Laser	Efficient	No
Burst Laser	Focused	No
Burst Laser	Lightweight	No
Burst Laser	Long range	No
Burst Laser	Overcharged	No
Burst Laser	Rapid fire	???	Fire rate might be too high, but still confirming
Burst Laser	Short range	No
Burst Laser	Sturdy	No
Beam Laser	Efficient	No
Beam Laser	Lightweight	No
Beam Laser	Long Range	No
Beam Laser	Overcharged	No
Beam Laser	Short Range	No
Beam Laser	Sturdy	No
Cannon	Efficient	No
Cannon	High Capacity	No
Cannon	Lightweight	No
Cannon	Long range	No
Cannon	Overcharged	No
Cannon	Rapid fire	Yes	Fire rate buffed.
Cannon	Short range blaster	No
Cannon	Sturdy	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Double shot	No	While the burst rate of fire is shown as 1500% instead of 1400%, DPS rates correspond to coriolis.io values at G5, so UI bug at worst.
Fragmentation Cannon	Efficient	No
Fragmentation Cannon	High Capacity	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Lightweight	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Overcharged	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Rapid Fire	Yes	Rate of fire is 78% instead of expected 44%. However, DPS values match those found in coriolis.io for a G5 weapon. Possibly a UI glitch.
Fragmentation Cannon	Sturdy	No
Mine Launcher	High Capacity	No
Mine Launcher	Lightweight	No
Mine Launcher	Rapid Fire	Yes	Rate of fire is 78% instead of expected 44%. However, DPS values match those found in coriolis.io for a G5 weapon. Possibly a UI glitch.
Mine Launcher	Sturdy	No
Missile Rack	High Capacity	No
Missile Rack	Lightweight	No
Missile Rack	Rapid Fire	Yes	Rate of fire is 78% instead of expected 44%. However, DPS values match those found in coriolis.io for a G5 weapon. Possibly a UI glitch.
Missile Rack	Sturdy	No
Seeker Missile Rack	High Capacity	No
Seeker Missile Rack	Lightweight	No
Seeker Missile Rack	Rapid Fire	Yes	Rate of fire is 78% instead of expected 44%. However, DPS values match those found in coriolis.io for a G5 weapon. Possibly a UI glitch.
Seeker Missile Rack	Sturdy	No
Torpedo Pylon	Lightweight	No
Torpedo Pylon	Sturdy	No
Multi-Cannon	Efficient	No
Multi-Cannon	High Capacity	No
Multi-Cannon	Lightweight	No
Multi-Cannon	Long Range	No
Multi-Cannon	Overcharged	No
Multi-Cannon	Rapid Fire	Yes	Rate of fire is 78% instead of expected 44%. However, DPS values match those found in coriolis.io for a G5 weapon. Possibly a UI glitch.
Multi-Cannon	Short Range Blaster	No
Multi-Cannon	Sturdy	No
Rail Gun	High Capacity	No
Rail Gun	Lightweight	No
Rail Gun	Long Range	No
Rail Gun	Short Range Blaster	No
Rail Gun	Sturdy	No
Plasma Accelerator	Efficient	No
Plasma Accelerator	Focused	No
Plasma Accelerator	Lightweight	No
Plasma Accelerator	Long Range	No
Plasma Accelerator	Overcharged	Yes	While the numbers are correct in Odyssey, other CMDRs have reported that stats in console Horizons are still nerfed. This is to be expected until the update for consoles drops.
Plasma Accelerator	Rapid Fire	Yes	Rate of fire is 78% instead of expected 44%. However, DPS values match those found in coriolis.io for a G5 weapon. Possibly a UI glitch.
Plasma Accelerator	Short Range Blaster	No
Plasma Accelerator	Sturdy	No

Experimental Effects (tested w/ a G1 overcharged engineering unless otherwise indicated):

Weapon	Experimental Effect	Differs from Inara values?	Notes
Pulse Laser	Concordant Sequence	No
Pulse Laser	Double Braced	No
Pulse Laser	Emissive Munitions	No
Pulse Laser	Flow Control	No
Pulse Laser	Multi-Servos	No
Pulse Laser	Oversized	No
Pulse Laser	Phasing Sequence	No
Pulse Laser	Scrambled Spectrum	No
Pulse Laser	Stripped Down	No
Pulse Laser	Thermal Shock	No
Burst Laser	Concordant Sequence	No
Burst Laser	Double Braced	No
Burst Laser	Flow Control	No
Burst Laser	Intertial Impact	No
Burst Laser	Multi-Servos	No
Burst Laser	Oversized	No
Burst Laser	Phasing Sequence	No
Burst Laser	Scrambled Spectrum	No
Burst Laser	Stripped Down	No
Burst Laser	Thermal Shock	No
Beam Laser	Concordant Sequence	No
Beam Laser	Double Braced	No
Beam Laser	Flow Control	No
Beam Laser	Oversized	No
Beam Laser	Regeneration Sequence	No
Beam Laser	Stripped down	No
Beam Laser	Thermal Conduit	No
Beam Laser	Thermal Shock	No
Beam Laser	Thermal Vent	No
Cannon	Auto Loader	No
Cannon	Dispersal Field	No
Cannon	Double Braced	No
Cannon	Flow Control	No
Cannon	Force Shell	No
Cannon	High Yield Shell	Yes	Inara (direct link) shows this experimental effect as increasing Armour Piercing by 25%, but this is not done. Not sure if this was ever done TBH. While unrelated, this experimental effect has historically not activated properly when used against CMDRs.
Cannon	Multi-servos	No
Cannon	Oversized	No
Cannon	Smart rounds	No
Cannon	Stripped down	No
Cannon	Thermal Cascade	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Corrosive Shell	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Dazzle Shell	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Double Braced	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Drag Munitions	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Flow Control	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Incendiary Rounds	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Multi-servos	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Oversized	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Screening Shell	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Stripped Down	No
Mine Launcher	Double Braced	No	All mine launcher experimentals tested using G1 High Capacity engineering.
Mine Launcher	Emissive Munitions	No
Mine Launcher	Flow Control	No
Mine Launcher	Ion Disruption	No
Mine Launcher	Overload Munitions	No
Mine Launcher	Oversized	No
Mine Launcher	Radiant Canister	No
Mine Launcher	Reverberating Cascade	No
Mine Launcher	Shift-Lock Canister	No
Mine Launcher	Stripped down	No
Missile Rack	Double Braced		All missile launcher experimentals tested using the G1 High Capacity engineering.
Missile Rack	Emissive Munitions	No
Missile Rack	Flow Control	No
Missile Rack	FSD Interrupt	Yes	Rate of fire % decrease inaccurate, but actual ROF corresponds to coriolis.io values. Probably a UI bug.
Missile Rack	Multi-Servos	No
Missile Rack	Overload Munitions	No
Missile Rack	Oversized	No
Missile Rack	Penetrator Munitions	No
Missile Rack	Stripped Down	No
Missile Rack	Thermal Cascade	No
Seeker Missile Rack	Double Braced	No
Seeker Missile Rack	Drag Munitions	No
Seeker Missile Rack	Emissive Munitions	No
Seeker Missile Rack	Flow Control	No
Seeker Missile Rack	Multi-Servos	No
Seeker Missile Rack	Overload Munitions	No
Seeker Missile Rack	Oversized	No
Seeker Missile Rack	Stripped Down	No
Seeker Missile Rack	Thermal Cascade	No
Torpedo Pylon	Double Braced	No	All Torpedo Pylon experimentals tested using the G1 Sturdy engineering.
Torpedo Pylon	Flow Control	No
Torpedo Pylon	Mass Lock Munitions	No
Torpedo Pylon	Oversized	No
Torpedo Pylon	Penetrator Payload	No
Torpedo Pylon	Reverberating Cascade	No
Torpedo Pylon	Stripped Down	No
Multi-Cannon	Auto Loader	No
Multi-Cannon	Corrosive Shell	No
Multi-Cannon	Double Braced	No
Multi-Cannon	Emissive Munitions	No
Multi-Cannon	Flow Control	No
Multi-Cannon	Incendiary Rounds	No
Multi-Cannon	Multi-Servos	No
Multi-Cannon	Oversized	No
Multi-Cannon	Smart Rounds	No
Multi-Cannon	Stripped Down	No
Multi-Cannon	Thermal Shock	No
Rail Gun	Double Braced	No	All Rail Gun experimentals tested using the G1 Long Range engineering.
Rail Gun	Feedback Cascade	No
Rail Gun	Flow Control	No
Rail Gun	Multi-Servos	No
Rail Gun	Oversized	No
Rail Gun	Plasma Slug	No	While unrelated, Imperial hammers with the Plasma Slug effect use 3x the fuel per 3-shot burst compared to the rail gun since this effect does not account for the 3-shot burst nature of this weapon in calculating reasonable fuel usage levels.
Rail Gun	Stripped Down	No
Rail Gun	Super Penetrator	No
Plasma Accelerator	Dazzle shell	No
Plasma Accelerator	Dispersal field	No
Plasma Accelerator	Double braced	No
Plasma Accelerator	Flow control	No
Plasma Accelerator	Multi-servos	No
Plasma Accelerator	Oversized	No	Tried to get the Braben PA using established method for acquiring and could not get it. Repeated the process using a G1 SRB and still could not get it. Braben PAs are no longer a thing now. (whew).
Plasma Accelerator	Phasing Sequence	No
Plasma Accelerator	Plasma Slug	No
Plasma Accelerator	Stripped Down	No
Plasma Accelerator	Target Lock Breaker	No
Plasma Accelerator	Thermal Conduit	No

 

[orange_apecs]

The new Super Gauss. Went from one shot everything to zero damage against thargoids in the space of one patch!

 

[Vadim Kleitsin]

What are Braben PAs?

 

[Mastadon623]

What are Braben PAs?

"Braben PAs" are the name I coined for the glitched Plasma Accelerators that could one shot anything from fully engineered CMDRs to Thargoid Hydra Interceptors.

 

[Kamiyoda]

"Braben PAs" are the name I coined for the glitched Plasma Accelerators that could one shot anything from fully engineered CMDRs to Thargoid Hydra Interceptors.

I just called the LHCs(Large Hardon Collider)

 

[RicoMJ]

Way to go on the crowd-sourced QA...

 

[Serror]

Note that these particular statistics are for odyssey only. Horizons, both on console and pc, was also affected by the same bug, but in different ways. Some of the things marked as "fixed" here, or "differs from inara values/NO", isn't consistent with what we're seeing on console horizons. Pulses are still nerfed. As are beams, PAs, and rails. Other weapons have been reported broken too, but this is just what I've personally been able to confirm from my own builds. I've tried to set up multiple bug reports now, but they have been getting marked as duplicate. And the link that frontier staff provided to the "duplicate" bug report was about the infinite damage bug, not even these issues.

Point is @sallymorganmoore, if you send these issues up the chain (and I really hope you do cause the bug report staff aren't even reading their reports), please note that odyssey and horizons are seeing different results. Some of what is fixed for them, is still broken for us. Also, for whatever reason, I can't upload my pics here on the forum, so here's a link to imgur showing my proof. The black pic is from Edsy.org and is pre update, as both edsy and inara display my old values. The orange pic is post update and displays the broken values. Note the difference in damage and damage per second.

https://imgur.com/a/BEyV2G6

Source: https://imgur.com/a/BEyV2G6

 

[Mastadon623]

Note that these particular statistics are for odyssey only. Horizons, both on console and pc, was also affected by the same bug, but in different ways. Some of the things marked as "fixed" here, or "differs from inara values/NO", isn't consistent with what we're seeing on console horizons. Pulses are still nerfed. As are beams, PAs, and rails. Other weapons have been reported broken too, but this is just what I've personally been able to confirm from my own builds. I've tried to set up multiple bug reports now, but they have been getting marked as duplicate. And the link that frontier staff provided to the "duplicate" bug report was about the infinite damage bug, not even these issues.

Point is @sallymorganmoore, if you send these issues up the chain (and I really hope you do cause the bug report staff aren't even reading their reports), please note that odyssey and horizons are seeing different results. Some of what is fixed for them, is still broken for us. Also, for whatever reason, I can't upload my pics here on the forum, so here's a link to imgur showing my proof. The black pic is from Edsy.org and is pre update, as both edsy and inara display my old values. The orange pic is post update and displays the broken values. Note the difference in damage and damage per second.

https://imgur.com/a/BEyV2G6

Source: https://imgur.com/a/BEyV2G6

That's a good find! I added this note to the table. Out of curiosity, was this for the PC version of Horizons or is this a console version? I recall Sally saying that the console fixes won't be coming out till early next week.

 

[sallymorganmoore]

Point is @sallymorganmoore, if you send these issues up the chain (and I really hope you do cause the bug report staff aren't even reading their reports)

Noooo sweat, I don't expect you to go through the tens of responses I've done to the weapon values in this thread already but I can assure you that I've been on this since the update dropped and reports started coming in

Please note that odyssey and horizons are seeing different results. Some of what is fixed for them, is still broken for us.

We did have some fixes as you know, but today I'm taking all of these remaining ones to sift through, so things are happening. for sure. Thanks for the added info! o7

 

[Salonica]

We're at the stage where when a release drops it's better to check what they broke rather than what they fixed...

 

[CMDR KCalo]

We're at the stage where when a release drops it's better to check what they broke rather than what they fixed...

And when things break in both Horizon's and Odyssey, which gets priority? If only there was some way to mesh them together in a way...

 

[CMDR FHINIGHT]

Is there a horizons issue tracker?

 

[Rat Catcher]

And when things break in both Horizon's and Odyssey, which gets priority? If only there was some way to mesh them together in a way...

I agree - the Odyssey code should be meshed with Horizons immediately! (as I've stopped playing Horizons apart from long-distance FC movement, I can afford to be flippant!)

 

[CMDR KCalo]

I agree - the Odyssey code should be meshed with Horizons immediately! (as I've stopped playing Horizons apart from long-distance FC movement, I can afford to be flippant!)

Yeah, I'm being a bit flippant also. Over the weekend I did play on Horizons a bit, but honestly was wondering what would be the point? How are any discoveries I'm making on Horizons carrying over to the Odyssey side? When/If we eventually get Odyssey or somehow have this "parity" @sallymorganmoore keeps talking about are my discoveries gone or overwritten? Honestly, the longer they drag out this Odyssey/Horizon separation the farther apart consoles and PC's get and then, what's the point? You can see the disparity already just on the number of comments between the Update 7 Horizon patch thread compared with the Odyssey thread. Obviously, Odyssey will get more discussion, but it's almost like Horizons console and PC players just don't care anymore.

 

[CaptainPugwash]

I visited all the G5 weapon engineers in the bubble and checked all the standard weapons that aren't power-play weapons or human tech broker unlocks. Here are the results from my checking of Engineering stats versus the ones reported on Inara:

NOTE: All checks were done in Odyssey. I did not check Horizons.


Base Engineering (checked versus a medium weapon):

Weapon	Engineering	Differs from Inara values?	Notes
Pulse Laser	Efficient	No
Pulse Laser	Focused	No
Pulse Laser	Lightweight	No
Pulse Laser	Long range	No
Pulse Laser	Overcharged	No
Pulse Laser	Rapid fire	???	Fire rate might be too high, but still confirming
Pulse Laser	Short range blaster	No
Pulse Laser	Sturdy	No
Burst Laser	Efficient	No
Burst Laser	Focused	No
Burst Laser	Lightweight	No
Burst Laser	Long range	No
Burst Laser	Overcharged	No
Burst Laser	Rapid fire	???	Fire rate might be too high, but still confirming
Burst Laser	Short range	No
Burst Laser	Sturdy	No
Beam Laser	Efficient	No
Beam Laser	Lightweight	No
Beam Laser	Long Range	No
Beam Laser	Overcharged	No
Beam Laser	Short Range	No
Beam Laser	Sturdy	No
Cannon	Efficient	No
Cannon	High Capacity	No
Cannon	Lightweight	No
Cannon	Long range	No
Cannon	Overcharged	No
Cannon	Rapid fire	Yes	Fire rate buffed.
Cannon	Short range blaster	No
Cannon	Sturdy	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Double shot	No	While the burst rate of fire is shown as 1500% instead of 1400%, DPS rates correspond to coriolis.io values at G5, so UI bug at worst.
Fragmentation Cannon	Efficient	No
Fragmentation Cannon	High Capacity	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Lightweight	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Overcharged	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Rapid Fire	Yes	Rate of fire is 78% instead of expected 44%. However, DPS values match those found in coriolis.io for a G5 weapon. Possibly a UI glitch.
Fragmentation Cannon	Sturdy	No
Mine Launcher	High Capacity	No
Mine Launcher	Lightweight	No
Mine Launcher	Rapid Fire	Yes	Rate of fire is 78% instead of expected 44%. However, DPS values match those found in coriolis.io for a G5 weapon. Possibly a UI glitch.
Mine Launcher	Sturdy	No
Missile Rack	High Capacity	No
Missile Rack	Lightweight	No
Missile Rack	Rapid Fire	Yes	Rate of fire is 78% instead of expected 44%. However, DPS values match those found in coriolis.io for a G5 weapon. Possibly a UI glitch.
Missile Rack	Sturdy	No
Seeker Missile Rack	High Capacity	No
Seeker Missile Rack	Lightweight	No
Seeker Missile Rack	Rapid Fire	Yes	Rate of fire is 78% instead of expected 44%. However, DPS values match those found in coriolis.io for a G5 weapon. Possibly a UI glitch.
Seeker Missile Rack	Sturdy	No
Torpedo Pylon	Lightweight	No
Torpedo Pylon	Sturdy	No
Multi-Cannon	Efficient	No
Multi-Cannon	High Capacity	No
Multi-Cannon	Lightweight	No
Multi-Cannon	Long Range	No
Multi-Cannon	Overcharged	No
Multi-Cannon	Rapid Fire	Yes	Rate of fire is 78% instead of expected 44%. However, DPS values match those found in coriolis.io for a G5 weapon. Possibly a UI glitch.
Multi-Cannon	Short Range Blaster	No
Multi-Cannon	Sturdy	No
Rail Gun	High Capacity	No
Rail Gun	Lightweight	No
Rail Gun	Long Range	No
Rail Gun	Short Range Blaster	No
Rail Gun	Sturdy	No
Plasma Accelerator	Efficient	No
Plasma Accelerator	Focused	No
Plasma Accelerator	Lightweight	No
Plasma Accelerator	Long Range	No
Plasma Accelerator	Overcharged	Yes	While the numbers are correct in Odyssey, other CMDRs have reported that stats in console Horizons are still nerfed. This is to be expected until the update for consoles drops.
Plasma Accelerator	Rapid Fire	Yes	Rate of fire is 78% instead of expected 44%. However, DPS values match those found in coriolis.io for a G5 weapon. Possibly a UI glitch.
Plasma Accelerator	Short Range Blaster	No
Plasma Accelerator	Sturdy	No

Experimental Effects (tested w/ a G1 overcharged engineering unless otherwise indicated):

Weapon	Experimental Effect	Differs from Inara values?	Notes
Pulse Laser	Concordant Sequence	No
Pulse Laser	Double Braced	No
Pulse Laser	Emissive Munitions	No
Pulse Laser	Flow Control	No
Pulse Laser	Multi-Servos	No
Pulse Laser	Oversized	No
Pulse Laser	Phasing Sequence	No
Pulse Laser	Scrambled Spectrum	No
Pulse Laser	Stripped Down	No
Pulse Laser	Thermal Shock	No
Burst Laser	Concordant Sequence	No
Burst Laser	Double Braced	No
Burst Laser	Flow Control	No
Burst Laser	Intertial Impact	No
Burst Laser	Multi-Servos	No
Burst Laser	Oversized	No
Burst Laser	Phasing Sequence	No
Burst Laser	Scrambled Spectrum	No
Burst Laser	Stripped Down	No
Burst Laser	Thermal Shock	No
Beam Laser	Concordant Sequence	No
Beam Laser	Double Braced	No
Beam Laser	Flow Control	No
Beam Laser	Oversized	No
Beam Laser	Regeneration Sequence	No
Beam Laser	Stripped down	No
Beam Laser	Thermal Conduit	No
Beam Laser	Thermal Shock	No
Beam Laser	Thermal Vent	No
Cannon	Auto Loader	No
Cannon	Dispersal Field	No
Cannon	Double Braced	No
Cannon	Flow Control	No
Cannon	Force Shell	No
Cannon	High Yield Shell	Yes	Inara (direct link) shows this experimental effect as increasing Armour Piercing by 25%, but this is not done. Not sure if this was ever done TBH. While unrelated, this experimental effect has historically not activated properly when used against CMDRs.
Cannon	Multi-servos	No
Cannon	Oversized	No
Cannon	Smart rounds	No
Cannon	Stripped down	No
Cannon	Thermal Cascade	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Corrosive Shell	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Dazzle Shell	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Double Braced	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Drag Munitions	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Flow Control	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Incendiary Rounds	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Multi-servos	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Oversized	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Screening Shell	No
Fragmentation Cannon	Stripped Down	No
Mine Launcher	Double Braced	No	All mine launcher experimentals tested using G1 High Capacity engineering.
Mine Launcher	Emissive Munitions	No
Mine Launcher	Flow Control	No
Mine Launcher	Ion Disruption	No
Mine Launcher	Overload Munitions	No
Mine Launcher	Oversized	No
Mine Launcher	Radiant Canister	No
Mine Launcher	Reverberating Cascade	No
Mine Launcher	Shift-Lock Canister	No
Mine Launcher	Stripped down	No
Missile Rack	Double Braced		All missile launcher experimentals tested using the G1 High Capacity engineering.
Missile Rack	Emissive Munitions	No
Missile Rack	Flow Control	No
Missile Rack	FSD Interrupt	Yes	Rate of fire % decrease inaccurate, but actual ROF corresponds to coriolis.io values. Probably a UI bug.
Missile Rack	Multi-Servos	No
Missile Rack	Overload Munitions	No
Missile Rack	Oversized	No
Missile Rack	Penetrator Munitions	No
Missile Rack	Stripped Down	No
Missile Rack	Thermal Cascade	No
Seeker Missile Rack	Double Braced	No
Seeker Missile Rack	Drag Munitions	No
Seeker Missile Rack	Emissive Munitions	No
Seeker Missile Rack	Flow Control	No
Seeker Missile Rack	Multi-Servos	No
Seeker Missile Rack	Overload Munitions	No
Seeker Missile Rack	Oversized	No
Seeker Missile Rack	Stripped Down	No
Seeker Missile Rack	Thermal Cascade	No
Torpedo Pylon	Double Braced	No	All Torpedo Pylon experimentals tested using the G1 Sturdy engineering.
Torpedo Pylon	Flow Control	No
Torpedo Pylon	Mass Lock Munitions	No
Torpedo Pylon	Oversized	No
Torpedo Pylon	Penetrator Payload	No
Torpedo Pylon	Reverberating Cascade	No
Torpedo Pylon	Stripped Down	No
Multi-Cannon	Auto Loader	No
Multi-Cannon	Corrosive Shell	No
Multi-Cannon	Double Braced	No
Multi-Cannon	Emissive Munitions	No
Multi-Cannon	Flow Control	No
Multi-Cannon	Incendiary Rounds	No
Multi-Cannon	Multi-Servos	No
Multi-Cannon	Oversized	No
Multi-Cannon	Smart Rounds	No
Multi-Cannon	Stripped Down	No
Multi-Cannon	Thermal Shock	No
Rail Gun	Double Braced	No	All Rail Gun experimentals tested using the G1 Long Range engineering.
Rail Gun	Feedback Cascade	No
Rail Gun	Flow Control	No
Rail Gun	Multi-Servos	No
Rail Gun	Oversized	No
Rail Gun	Plasma Slug	No	While unrelated, Imperial hammers with the Plasma Slug effect use 3x the fuel per 3-shot burst compared to the rail gun since this effect does not account for the 3-shot burst nature of this weapon in calculating reasonable fuel usage levels.
Rail Gun	Stripped Down	No
Rail Gun	Super Penetrator	No
Plasma Accelerator	Dazzle shell	No
Plasma Accelerator	Dispersal field	No
Plasma Accelerator	Double braced	No
Plasma Accelerator	Flow control	No
Plasma Accelerator	Multi-servos	No
Plasma Accelerator	Oversized	No	Tried to get the Braben PA using established method for acquiring and could not get it. Repeated the process using a G1 SRB and still could not get it. Braben PAs are no longer a thing now. (whew).
Plasma Accelerator	Phasing Sequence	No
Plasma Accelerator	Plasma Slug	No
Plasma Accelerator	Stripped Down	No
Plasma Accelerator	Target Lock Breaker	No
Plasma Accelerator	Thermal Conduit	No

This is what I call testing!

 

[Rat Catcher]

How are any discoveries I'm making on Horizons carrying over to the Odyssey side?

All of them... The CMDR 'save' is constant in some things and discoveries I have from Horizons (Noted in the Colonia region, as I have a few..) are still in EDO, likewise a brief foray in Horizons a few weeks back, in a region I was searching for something, had all of the 'new' discoveries from EDO surrounding me.

Until whatever is causing EDO to perform so poorly (it has been suggested that the core team may be doing a render engine rework - which might explain the 'confidence' of Update 8 bringing 'significant' performance improvements) is properly fixed, without breaking a thousand other things, the Horizons players on both PC and consoles are surely going to feel like the poorer relations.

 

[HermesBlack]

The new Super Gauss. Went from one shot everything to zero damage against thargoids in the space of one patch!

I'm glad I'm not the only one. I'm playing on xbox and randomly when I log in my 3x equipped "super gausses" now either do a "normal" amount of thargoid damage or sometimes absolutely nothing. I haven't been able to figure out how to get consistent behaviour. First time I used them on Sunday morning they caused an insane amount of damage (1 shotted everything) but that was the one and only time I personally saw that, since then they've been either so-so or completely useless. Last attempt there was getting zero damage with them despite re-logging several times. Think I'll go back to exploring until this gets sorted out.

 

[Serror]

Noooo sweat, I don't expect you to go through the tens of responses I've done to the weapon values in this thread already but I can assure you that I've been on this since the update dropped and reports started coming in

What I was referring to was the issue tracker staff, not you. I've seen how much you've been responding, and it is truly appreciated. What aggravated me with them is the fact that they marked my submission as a duplicate, and the link that they provided to me to show that it was a duplicate post, was to a completely different issue (the infinite damage bug), not the one I submitted, this one. It seemed like they didn't even bother reading before they marked it, cause I made it very clear what the problem was. Doesn't matter though, cause in the end, I was able to reach you. Thank you for looking into this for us.

 

[Salonica]

And when things break in both Horizon's and Odyssey, which gets priority? If only there was some way to mesh them together in a way...

Well they should have fixed all the bugs in Horizons before building a new releaseon top of it. Now we're at the point where there are bugs in both. No doubt someone will have the genius idea in frontier to merge both together and see what pile of dung plops out, and then release that to to great self-congratulations and expect us to love it. I'm just wondering what amazing lies they'll sell us for our Christmas Stocking.