There is no Famine System

Dagwit

Dagwit
I'll be out of the game until the New Year, by which time perhaps some clarity will have emerged. Or perhaps not.

In the meantime, as far as Famine Distribution Centres are concerned: during the beta I noticed that the traffic at one of the new installations was high, so I tried scanning ships' wakes.

Full details here:

https://youtu.be/PCWwKeBvO8k

TL-DR The ships ran further out before jumping than at a FDC, I had to use an engineered Mamba and a G5 scanner to chase them down. I only got six drops in eighty minutes; but then I don't recall FDCs being any more productive.

So if you're looking for DWEs and you're opposed on principle to farming the Jameson Cobra, a suitable installation might provide you with an alternative.
 
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Aashenfox

Aashenfox
Dagwit said:
I'll be out of the game until the New Year, by which time perhaps some clarity will have emerged. Or perhaps not.

In the meantime, as far as Famine Distribution Centres are concerned: during the beta I noticed that the traffic at one of the new installations was high, so I tried scanning ships' wakes.

Full details here:

https://youtu.be/PCWwKeBvO8k

TL-DR The ships ran further out before jumping than at a FDC, I had to use an engineered Mamba and a G5 scanner to chase them down. I only got six drops in eighty minutes; but then I don't recall FDCs being any more productive.

So if you're looking for DWEs and you're opposed on principle to farming the Jameson Cobra, a suitable installation might provide you with an alternative.
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Jameson Cobra doesn't work anymore :( I spent an hour there the other day, farmed it maybe 22 times, not a single DWE or other wake related data.
 
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Dagwit

Dagwit
Aashenfox said:
lol, that certainly explains why I wasn't getting any. :p Distribution Centers are definitely better then.
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Actually, they're not. If you farm the Jameson Cobra and trade off the AECs at Ray Gateway in Diaguandri, then shuttling back and forth you can end up with about ten drops (thirty items) of DWE (or what you will)/hr.

It's been a while since I farmed a Distribution Centre, but IIRC on average something like five drops/hr was my lot.
 

Aashenfox

Aashenfox
Dagwit said:
Actually, they're not. If you farm the Jameson Cobra and trade off the AECs at Ray Gateway in Diaguandri, then shuttling back and forth you can end up with about ten drops (thirty items) of DWE (or what you will)/hr.

It's been a while since I farmed a Distribution Centre, but IIRC on average something like five drops/hr was my lot.
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I feel like it was better than that, but not by much I'll admit. I'll definitely see what I get for my shedload of AECs natch. ;)
 

Dagwit

Dagwit
tawigu said:
What type of system is ideal for gathering DWE from USSs? Is there any criteria about this?
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You might occasionally find DWE in an Encoded Emissions USS, but personally I wouldn't waste my time looking.

I've never seen any rules for finding high-value Encoded Emissions USSs. The rule set that's generally known is for finding G5 manufactured mats in High Grade Emissions USSs, and changes to the background sim in 3.3 means these rules can no longer be relied on.

For the moment, I'm sorry to say, everything is confusion and doubt.
 

Mo Ronik

Mo Ronik
Not finding any famine systems but there sure are a butt load of systems in a war or civil war state. 3 outta 4 systems I drop in and head to a station gives me warnings about entering a combat zone. Interdiction attempts follow with me having empty cargo holds. I give it a few more weeks till things sorta go back to what ever normal was before the reset. It's crazy out there....
 

Aashenfox

Aashenfox
tawigu said:
What do you suggest? I really need some DWE for upgrading my FSD module before DW2 expedition. :)
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Personally, what I would do for DWEs right now (and what I have done, recently), is what Dagwit and others have suggested. Go to the Jameson Cobra (google Jameson's downed Cobra and click on the Canonn article), and scan the 4 datapoints for AEC and it's G4 derivative whose name I forget, repeat this by lgging to the main menu and back in again as many times as you can stand, and you'll soon be full of those 2 data types, which can be traded at an appalling rate for DWEs.

Either that or go to a very busy place (Jameson memorial in Shinrarta for example, if you have th permit) and farm hgih wakes of NPCs and players.

Or...wait for a famine state try to find a distribution center, scan wakes.

Or...go to a tourist beacon and drop in, 5 or more tourist ships will be milling around and then slowly jump away, leaving wakes that can be farmed.

These are basically the only reliable methods (encoded emissions will only give you a data node about 50% of the time, that data node will be operative about 50% of the time, and when it is the drop rate of DWEs from those is about 1 in 40, so basically, SCREW THAT!)
 
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Aashenfox said:
I'm extrapolating. Judging by the number of times I've said 'told you all so' in the past, I'm feeling pretty confident, as someone who coldly understands how this is going to work gong forward. Trust me. :)

Example... In the old game it could be hard to find a distribution center because of other factions in other states. The problem being the distribution of said states. You have 7 factions in a system, so 6 other possible states. If the controlling faction is in famine and none of the other factions is having a war, lock down, civil unrest, election, or a couple of other states that overrode distribution center spawns, no distribution centers. Now you've got the possible states of the controlling faction. Famine is not exclusive with the security states that override distribution centers, a faction can be in famine AND war now. So that's just the first hurdle. Now Remer the other 6 factions? EIGHTEEN more chances to ruin your distribution center spawn.
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I've been having OK luck finding HGEs in low pop systems. Just FSS scan and they are often there, given the right BGS conditions.
 

Aashenfox

Aashenfox
vindelanos said:
I've been having OK luck finding HGEs in low pop systems. Just FSS scan and they are often there, given the right BGS conditions.
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I've tried wide varieties of BGS conditions and haven't yet found a correlation that increases chances of having 'a' or 'some' HGE spawns, other than high tech economies being a fairly sure bet.

What do you believe is responsible for the quantity of HGE spawns in a system now then?

Also, the quantity of HGEs in general isn't the main issue (although it is an issue), the problem is the chances of them spawning combined with the state need to get the goods you're after.
 
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tawigu

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Aashenfox said:
Personally, what I would do for DWEs right now (and what I have done, recently), is what Dagwit and others have suggested. Go to the Jameson Cobra (google Jameson's downed Cobra and click on the Canonn article), and scan the 4 datapoints for AEC and it's G4 derivative whose name I forget, repeat this by lgging to the main menu and back in again as many times as you can stand, and you'll soon be full of those 2 data types, which can be traded at an appalling rate for DWEs.
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I'm doing this now. It works but it feels like I'm cheating, you know. Still I'm happy. :D
 
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