This community is 'different'

NecoMachina

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Okay, last thing before I call it quits - I am NOT a veteran nor do I feel like one. I wasn't here from the day one (not on the forums, anyway. I've also played previous Elite games) and I'm not accusing anybody of anything. But I do think that devs decide what is a dead horse. And I will point it out when I'm sure of that.
Fair enough. I don't know that anyone would have a problem with citing a Dev post as a source if someone's going off on some wild tangent that the game was never intended to be be. I certainly wouldn't.
 
Once upon a time, I was considering taking part in my first ever Kickstarter; two of the industry veterans who had created games that meant an enormous amount to me as a young man appeared on the website, and I really wanted to give at least one of them a chance. One was Richard Garriot/Lord British's "Shroud of the Avatar", and one was David Braben's "Elite: Dangerous". In the end, I backed just one, Shroud.

And I wish I hadn't.

Not only was the project badly mismanaged and an endless cash grab, but it taught me a very painful lesson about the horrifying effects of crowd sourcing with regards to the game community itself; You get a class of people who are so invested in the idea of being a backer that they come to think of themselves as best friends with the company, even to the point they actually feel they're part of it. They self-identify with the product to such a terrifying degree they become a form of toxic "Positivity", treating any criticism of the game as a direct attack upon themselves. They hyper-ventilate at the thought people might want the game to change, because they feel they've purchased ownership rights over the product, which allows them to demand the game as stay pandering to them and them alone.

Such shameful abdication of shared humanity, such a desperate need to find an security blanket via abandoning any sense of improvement even in a third party product, just so you can feel secure in your own little shell is unedifying, pathetically needy, and alienatingly destructive to the future success of the business itself.

Now I came to Elite: Dangerous not long after it launched. I don't post much on the forums because there's very little to talk about, unless you love constant ARGs. And so there are only a few people who I have on Ignore here, because I don't run into people around this community very often. But hollow husks of fanboys automatically go on the list, because life is too short to waste listening yet again to people attempting to bully, browbeat, shut down and abuse others just because they have an unhealthy fixation upon this Kickstarted game too.

And yet without fail, every time I open a post here with a blatantly insecure, obsessive level drama title, the first post is missing because it's one of a handful of people whose horrendous attitude I'd spotted months, if not years ago and blocked.
This community isn't "different"... it's just yet another crowd sourced game with the same problems of lunatics with an unhealthy fixation. There's a TINY cadre of utter obsessives who have spent years desperately trying to belittle anyone who thinks Elite is anything but perfect; who mistake their own literally insane view of the world as being normal, and are completely unable to deal with the fact very few others agree.

You could probably check your own ignore lists and find all of the same names are on it too. The question is... why? Do they really think if they drive everyone away, and quieten the cognitive dissonance in their own heads and hearts, the actual game will somehow make more money? Or is it really JUST about their own desperate insecurities? I think we all know the answer to that. What staggers the mind is that they apparently don't... or simply don't care what they look like to others, as long as they can somehow drive you all away and keep the products exactly as it is now, exactly as they want it, forever and ever and ever without any of that scary change stuff, or being asked to go out of their own comfort zone.

Well, ("horlicks, the tasty malt drink" - Ed.) to that. Anyone who plays any game has just as much right to ask it to be more, be better if they want it to be. Stop limiting the world with your small minds, you ghastly self selecting gatekeepers...
 
Well, ("horlicks, the tasty malt drink" - Ed.) to that. Anyone who plays any game has just as much right to ask it to be more, be better if they want it to be. Stop limiting the world with your small minds, you ghastly self selecting gatekeepers...

I'm repping you for two reasons: first, that post sounded so damn heartfelt, and second (biggest reason, actually) calling the people whom you disagree with "small minded ghastly self selecting gatekeepers" made me bray laughter like a frickin' donkey. Don't even know what that means, but it sure sounds awfully bad:)
 
I agree. They are the ones most often making the personal insults and very condescending comments. Not saying it doesn't happen from the disgruntled folks too. But things like that make people defensive and it just starts arguments and flame wars, and turns it into "us vs them". It's all so tiresome and aggravating - for EVERYONE involved.
Yes, that's the problem. And as long as people don't realise there is no "us vs them" it will not be solved. There are no black knights vs white knights, there are just people disagreeing with each other. That's perfectly normal. It's stupid to build camps though, because most of the time you put people into the wrong categories.
 
**** WARNING - MINI RANT ABOUT TO COMMENCE ****

A bit of background - I have been a gamer since gaming started on computers - played to exhaustion the original Elite. And if a game captures my attention, and there is a forum for it, I tend to get involved in it. Most game forums talk about the game, and you can get a lot of good information from them. They can also be fun, and at times biting.

But this forum is different. There seems to be a not so small minority that every thread, every post is an attack on the game. If FDev make an announcement I can just about list who will respond immediately attacking everything that is said, everything that wasn't said and everything that is inferred. If a player makes a thread these same people will hijack the tread to again voice their displeasure about the game. According to them, nothing works, everything is broken, all other space games are far superior and Frontier Development are either going broke, have shelved the game, or are conspiring with the devil. The strange thing is there is a lot of 'complaints' but very little constructive criticism and a dearth of suggestions to remediate these often perceived problems. I am beginning to wonder if some of these vocal opponents of the game still play it or in truth, every played it!

Are these people actively trying to push players away? Do they realise that new or even prospective players might read the forums before deciding to buy the game, see all the doom and gloom posts, the attacks on anyone who might disagree with them and decide not to buy or play the game? And god forbid if a player comes here to ask a question, the post is normally ignored, the player is ridiculed or told to 'git gud' and the post quickly disappears off the first page, never to be seen again - if it wasn't take over by someone's pet peeve of the month.

I am even hesitant to mention the quality of the complaints, never in the annals of history has there been so many top level, expert programmers playing a game - because they all think a major change to the code can be whipped out before finishing work for the day. Hey they can imagine it, so why can't FDev drop everything and program it right now.

Look, I am all for robust and entertaining discussions here in the forum, hell I encourage it. I use to love some of the epic war of words in the Battlefield 2 forums about which gun was better, are all medics stupid etc. And whilst there were complaints, not to the extent I see here. It seems whatever Frontier Development do, they do it wrong. If they advise the community that they will be working on existing features to fix bugs, they are attacked for not developing new content. If they advise they are bring new content out, the very same people will complain that the company should be fixing what is already there first.

I guess in the end, I just can't understand why these people are here. They evidently despise the game, loath the Company that makes it and will do everything in the power to rubbish the product. Honestly, if, as they keep on telling us, there are better games out there put out by better companies, please go and play those and leave us to enjoy this game without being told endlessly how bad it is.

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I just don't waste my time reading those posts.

Is Elite perfect in every way? Not even close.
Is it better than a lot of things out there? Sure.
Is it more complete than That Other Game that will probably never make it out of beta, especially with Chris Roberts playing movie producer and redirecting all the funding he can suck out of people into hiring over-paid voice actors for a movie I know I won't see? You bet.
 
Here's a good example of what I mean. Here's a thread saying how someone wasn't impressed with what was said to be coming in 2018.

Here are some snippets of the replies.

I think this is the point I was making some posts ago here. I do think this forum is a good one but it does feel to me, anecdotally, that replies to criticism of the game do tend (of course many don't) to fall into the above examples.

While there is a difference between criticism and trolling, valid criticism often feels like an uphill struggle here.
 
I just don't waste my time reading those posts.

Is Elite perfect in every way? Not even close.
Is it better than a lot of things out there? Sure.
Is it more complete than That Other Game that will probably never make it out of beta, especially with Chris Roberts playing movie producer and redirecting all the funding he can suck out of people into hiring over-paid voice actors for a movie I know I won't see? You bet.

Eh? What movie? oO
 
Every now and then I like to use a Dangerous Discussion thread as a lightning rod, to identify and block those forum members whose only apparent reason to be here is to carp and criticise.

FD have their problems (oh how they do!) but there's just no need for the boring, constantly negative attitude that some people bring here.

They have a vocabulary of their own, so I might try to run up an autoblocker app some day - it would use something like the weighting system that internet filters use, so that any poster whose posts were full of (e.g.) "carebear" or "white knight" or "git gud"* or any of that tedious nonsense would swiftly end up in the ignore bin.

*"git gud" would have the highest possible ranking, because we have already have a word for gitting gud and it's in the title of the bleedin' game.
 
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