This game just isn't worth playing at the moment

I would with respect suggest that instead of asking not to be attacked, just swallow that in like an elite aikidoist would a less passive aggressive physical communication and recognize that any attack is 100% evidence of their self depreciative state trying as best they can to prevent themselves from realizing that and the truth spoken.

Invalids (those that try to invalidate others instead of feeling confident within) tend to continue strongly along that swampy path and nothing will change that short of themselves. So in the syntax of the I ching, to be in accord with this subj and time cmdr , it is suggested you smile and accept their camouflaged agreement.

tjeez man, temper your rage.
 
What's wrong with this idea is that it pokes into the most serious wound ED actually has: The Grind.

As someone who's recently wiped a 5500+h commander just to get back all the fun the game has to offer, my statement has some back up. It's all about the illusion that more fun comes with more/bigger/more powerful ships. This sort of joy usually holds on for a few days after which most players realize that wasn't the holy grail of gameplay in ED. I don't say everyone feels like that but I'm sure it's true for a whole lot of commanders, you just need to read the forums and read between the lines. Now imagine the frustration if real money is involved! I understand where you are coming from but it's simply the wrong and bad medicine. It's a bit like Heroin that might ease your pain at first but for a price that is way too high on the long run.

The art of enjoying the game is also the art of enjoying your life. It's not the goal (your new car/house/wife/money/whatever that makes you happy, it's the way that so many refer to as "The Grind". Which is a sad indication for something's gone very wrong already that no money will ever be able to fix.

Isn't that like saying cavemen suffered from cancer without a cure so we shouldn't cure it to respect their suffering? As for the goal, you agree with me. Credits don't get you 'the goal' in Elite.
 
But real money would even more fire this illusion, instead of curing the grind.
I don't understand your cavemen example btw. Isn't that a bit too much of a stretch? :D
The more interesting question would be if and why cavemen were not affected by cancer in the same number as we are today (I'm pretty sure that's the case but not how or if any evidence for this statement actually exists).

i think you are all wrong :p

Buy credits from the store to encourage FD to "protect the grind" and to save the feeling of verisimilitude (I am fine if they do something with *some* of the material gathering tho...)
 

Jex =TE=

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Don't put words in my mouth, I don't have any issue with people disagreeing with me or proving me wrong, as I have shown and backed down on many issues, with a profound and heartfelt apology. I may be cocky and confident, but I'm not arrogant or blind.

I never implied that I believed that to be the case. My opinion that simply stating "no, mkay?" is not constructive or well reasoned is one that I am entitled to, and really, is pretty much unassailable as an assertion.



Yes, really, what are you struggling with? You just said it exactly as I see it. Yes, I think it's not a bad idea that people should be able to pay so that they don't have to play the boring bits, or can get a headstart on a second account, or catch up quicker if they come back after taking a break. Yes. I definitely believe it wouldn't ruin the game, I definitely believe that you uninstalling the game would be an ENTIRELY inappropriate reaction, and it seems to me, by the fact you keep saying pay to win, that you are exactly the person who DOESN'T understand why FOR ELITE, it wouldn't be so bad as it could be for titles with less intelligent design where credits are the be all and end all. That is not the case in elite.

How many times can I say credits don't equal win?

Please let's not start getting angry with each other, I only want to talk abou , friendly-like, honestly, I respect you Jex, always have. We don't have to agree to remain on good terms, I'm not here to make enemies, that's why I was so shocked by that dude asking FD to ban me just for suggesting it. lol.

OK so you think it's perfectly ok for a GAME designer to make a boring game so they can delibertely make money off you to skip the boring parts they put in.

How is that a game?

LOL I'm not angry BTW :)

Just think of it as brutally honest logic?
 
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There are better ways to reduce the grind than adding pay to win features.

This is the worst idea I've seen on the forums yet.

yeah wait, people think making cash buyable will reduce grind? it'll make the devs stretch it out further to ensure people have a reason to buy it in the first place then keep on buying it. this is IAP 101 and traps the devs in a loop as much as the players.
 
From what I understand if Frontier wanted missions to have high payouts they would have done so a long time ago since this has been asked for for years. But it has not been done, probably due to the philosophy of the lead game designers. I am not expecting this to change
 

Jex =TE=

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yeah wait, people think making cash buyable will reduce grind? it'll make the devs stretch it out further to ensure people have a reason to buy it in the first place then keep on buying it. this is IAP 101 and traps the devs in a loop as much as the players.

And we're seeing that in games these days. grind where there's no reason for it except to make players buy stuff. If there's any boring parts to a game you are not playing a game. I've never played a game where I've got to a boring part and carried on. I don't think I've played any boring games tbh - all the games I've ever played I've had fun with them and never had to read a book or watch netflix.

Lately there's been a lot of games that are minimal effort at AAA prices with grindy mechanics and pay to win mechanics - all are bad for gaming.

Think back before microtransactions - any boring, grindy games you ever played?
 

Jex =TE=

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Exactly. GTA V is a prime example.

I'd have to disagree with that as me and my friends are having a blast - yes they sell Shark Cards for ridiculous money and you get practically nothing for it which makes me seriously question whether I want to continue to support RS but on the reverse side of that, they made an excellent game that is a huge amount of fun.

For example, if you want all the business without the fancy perks you're talking about 10-14 million I guess? That gives you access to

The Facility
Hangar
CEO business (Crates)
CEO Warehouse
MC
MC Businesses
Bunker
general missions open to all

At the start of the game you only get the general missions as well as races. In acouple of month you can own pretty much all the above as long as you don't spend your cash on other things. So some people say it's grindy but I'm in a position where I have all these missions unlocked that I can do and I still have a couple of things to unlock (hangar and bunker and MC business) so I still have content ahead of me.
 
I'd have to disagree with that as me and my friends are having a blast - yes they sell Shark Cards for ridiculous money and you get practically nothing for it which makes me seriously question whether I want to continue to support RS but on the reverse side of that, they made an excellent game that is a huge amount of fun.

For example, if you want all the business without the fancy perks you're talking about 10-14 million I guess? That gives you access to

The Facility
Hangar
CEO business (Crates)
CEO Warehouse
MC
MC Businesses
Bunker
general missions open to all

At the start of the game you only get the general missions as well as races. In acouple of month you can own pretty much all the above as long as you don't spend your cash on other things. So some people say it's grindy but I'm in a position where I have all these missions unlocked that I can do and I still have a couple of things to unlock (hangar and bunker and MC business) so I still have content ahead of me.

It indeed is a huge amount of fun.

Even more so when I/we role play/overwrite contract missions from stealing coke etc to retrieving suppressed advanced natural meds that was confiscated by corrupt "officials" and delivery of CBD hemp (instead of the drug crop weed)
by our "MC" business. Instead of brewing and manufacturing meth and coke respectively it is nanosilver/colloidal silver and changa mushrooms...and other true healing goodies.

AND because core gameplay existence--exists, CR per hour is NOT the focus nor are vehicles really as we CAN buy them from a store and USE them to PLAY the features in the game
 
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Jex =TE=

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You're right GTA has an enormous amount of content and its a hell of a lot of fun but they've definitely made the majority of the activity\mission pay outs unnecessarily low to encourage people to get shark cards. I suppose they get away with it though.

It would be a lot more noticeable and detrimental in a game like Elite. I'd turn my back on it for sure if anything of the sort was introduced.

Yeah I thought it was a little too low but then I thought about it and I'm not in a rush to get stuff and I'm having fun playing the game normally and I don't feel like I'm grinding or that the credits are really that low.

I can spend an hour doing a doomsday heist with one other play and we can make 400k.

I can play Editor and Thief and in 4 mins I can have $10,000 - so every 6 mins (+2 mins to reload the mission) I could 10k or 100k over the hour.

Every 20 mins I can sell a car for 80k Profit

in about an hour I can fill my small warehouse with goods and make 120k profit so there's 200k profit an hour right there.

Then there's the daily objectives. I just completed my 3rd week and got another 100k on top of the 175k I made and next week I'll get another 500k for the month.

So I look at the game as wanting all the stuff that unlocks the game content - i.e. the missions of which I feel the pace is right and it's fun.

Now, if I wanted the luxury jet at 8 million, the deluxo at 3.5 million, the oppressor at 3 million, the yacht at 10 million, all the business upgrades at 5 million plus some of the top range cars and warstock stuff (add another 20 million) then yes, screw that, RS can take a hike.

But you can pretty much complete the game using a gio lol.
 
I get what Aashenfox is saying, even if I don't like the idea.

The strawman/red herring is P2W.
On that part he is entirely correct.

(PS, Aikidoka are the worst! See: Steven Seagal, case closed!)
 
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