No, the emphasis appears to imply that it might yet happen.
This game just isn't worth playing at the moment
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No, the emphasis appears to imply that it might yet happen.
Um... Are we talking the kitchen utensil, or do you need a hug?
I'll take whatever i can get!
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If people would uninstall the game immediately over something so trivial, the game is better off without them. That is EXACTLY the demoraphic that is ruining this game. The knee jerking in here, by people who CLEARLY don't actually understand what they're knee jerking against (they just see 'buy' and 'credits' and start frothing at the mouth) is ASTOUNDING.
WoW (Blizzard covertly supports third party sales)
Star Trek Online
Grand Theft Auto Online
Eve Online (someone else said that, I don't even know if it offers credits, never looked at it)
That's just the big ones I can think of. These are games in which (apart from Eve) I personally have used a credit sales service of some kind to 'catch up' after long breaks and enjoyed the game all the more for it.
But anyway, there are ways of implementing and there are ways of gouging people, Elite's implementation doesn't need to be 'evil'. To be honest, I've written a lot of words on this in this thread, with many arguments, despite the only argument I get back is the highly mature and not at all idiotic "How about NO", and "you should be banned". lol. Just makes me think it's an even better idea if these people are against it.
Also, please don't try to intimate that I'm sayin something I'm not (that because I get rep, then it should be implemented), on the contrary, if you actually read the many, many detailed posts I've made on this subject in this thread, you'd better understand what I actually AM saying.
Lastly, I don't even care, I just want the management to consider it on its merits (rather than, like the proverbial donkey, sticking to something that perhaps wasn't the best thing to say 5 years ago, you'll note that I agreed with it back then, but this isn't the same game anymore), just threw it out there for discussoin, there's no need for all the hate.
The funniest part of all is that credit sales in Elite would never equal pay to win. You can't win with creidts in Elite.
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Why are you assuming they haven't considered the merits? One presumes that when making decisions they consider the pros and cons of each and make a decision based on both. You might not agree with their decision, but it doesn't mean they didn't consider the merits.
I mean, i can see one merit, more money for FD, but how much good faith and players they might lose over it..... well, that's a question.
This debate has a tendency to gravitate into two camps holding extreme views on this subject. Fundamentally I think this happens because the balance in this game is not well defined in any "official" capacity, and thus anybody can claim the title of "Defender of Elite's True Vision".
In the last few weeks, sources of reward (including CR, mats and rep progression) have become very unstable. Since a lot of gameplay is derived from these items the abrupt swings in their availability has a corresponding knock-on effect to player's experience (and satisfaction) from the game itself.
I would really like to know what FD's idea of balance is, even if it is defined in simplistic terms. I really hope that they have some internal definition that guides their design process. Similarly I would hope that it takes into account the time taken on the activity, the equipment needed to perform it (and the effort required to obtain that equipment) and the risks taken during the activity. In this vacuum of information though, anybody's guess is as good as any other.
In the last few weeks, sources of reward (including CR, mats and rep progression) have become very unstable. Since a lot of gameplay is derived from these items the abrupt swings in their availability has a corresponding knock-on effect to player's experience (and satisfaction) from the game itself.
I would really like to know what FD's idea of balance is, even if it is defined in simplistic terms. I really hope that they have some internal definition that guides their design process. Similarly I would hope that it takes into account the time taken on the activity, the equipment needed to perform it (and the effort required to obtain that equipment) and the risks taken during the activity. In this vacuum of information though, anybody's guess is as good as any other.
I didn't say it would change the game for the better. I just said it wouldn't make it worse and is worth consiering on its merits, as things have changed since back in the day. I can't be bothered to discuss it any more, it's getting to be more and more of a misunderstanding, I just threw it out there for discussion and played devil's advocate to the knee jerkers. I'm really not bothered either way, it's not something I feel strongly about.
Like my original post said 'perhaps it's time for FD to consider...'
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Brett's blanket 'not happening' response for one thing. Anyway, like I say. I just wanted to make a few people think, if someone, even one person, is thinking, hm, you know, Aashenfox might be right, this might not be a bad thing, and actually an enabler for second accounters, etc. Meh, you can take a horse to water as they say.
Oh, can I just say again... "Credits in Elite do not equal I win".
What merits? As I can't think of any.
Read my posts again then. Although, really, don't bother, cos nothing I've said is going to change your opinion on this, I am 100% sure of that.
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If people would uninstall the game immediately over something so trivial, the game is better off without them. That is EXACTLY the demoraphic that is ruining this game. The knee jerking in here, by people who CLEARLY don't actually understand what they're knee jerking against (they just see 'buy' and 'credits' and start frothing at the mouth) is ASTOUNDING.
WoW (Blizzard covertly supports third party sales)
Star Trek Online
Grand Theft Auto Online
Eve Online (someone else said that, I don't even know if it offers credits, never looked at it)
That's just the big ones I can think of. These are games in which (apart from Eve) I personally have used a credit sales service of some kind to 'catch up' after long breaks and enjoyed the game all the more for it.
But anyway, there are ways of implementing and there are ways of gouging people, Elite's implementation doesn't need to be 'evil'. To be honest, I've written a lot of words on this in this thread, with many arguments, despite the only argument I get back is the highly mature and not at all idiotic "How about NO", and "you should be banned". lol. Just makes me think it's an even better idea if these people are against it.
Also, please don't try to intimate that I'm sayin something I'm not (that because I get rep, then it should be implemented), on the contrary, if you actually read the many, many detailed posts I've made on this subject in this thread, you'd better understand what I actually AM saying.
Lastly, I don't even care, I just want the management to consider it on its merits (rather than, like the proverbial donkey, sticking to something that perhaps wasn't the best thing to say 5 years ago, you'll note that I agreed with it back then, but this isn't the same game anymore), just threw it out there for discussoin, there's no need for all the hate.
The funniest part of all is that credit sales in Elite would never equal pay to win. You can't win with creidts in Elite.
I don't think it's a knee-jerk reaction at all since it's a stance I've held for many years - you want to introduce P2W then I'm gone. Take your predatory gaming practice designed to rip people off with issues over addiction and keep them thank you very much. The other issue would be that who makes a game SO bad that you need to pay to progress meaningfully in it?
"Hi, play my game and if it gets to boring you can pay me to skip passed the boring parts"
Really?
Team Fortress 2, most likely.
We don't disagree with you out of ignorance, we disagree because we DO understand what you are proposing. Just because someone has a differing opinion than yours does not mean they don't understand you.
Team Fortress 2, most likely.
We don't disagree with you out of ignorance, we disagree because we DO understand what you are proposing. Just because someone has a differing opinion than yours does not mean they don't understand you.
Don't put words in my mouth, I don't have any issue with people disagreeing with me or proving me wrong, as I have shown and backed down on many issues, with a profound and heartfelt apology. I may be cocky and confident, but I'm not arrogant or blind.
I never implied that I believed that to be the case. My opinion that simply stating "no, mkay?" is not constructive or well reasoned is one that I am entitled to, and really, is pretty much unassailable as an assertion.
Yes, really, what are you struggling with? You just said it exactly as I see it. Yes, I think it's not a bad idea that people should be able to pay so that they don't have to play the boring bits, or can get a headstart on a second account, or catch up quicker if they come back after taking a break. Yes. I definitely believe it wouldn't ruin the game, I definitely believe that you uninstalling the game would be an ENTIRELY inappropriate reaction, and it seems to me, by the fact you keep saying pay to win, that you are exactly the person who DOESN'T understand why FOR ELITE, it wouldn't be so bad as it could be for titles with less intelligent design where credits are the be all and end all. That is not the case in elite.
How many times can I say credits don't equal win?
Please let's not start getting angry with each other, I only want to talk abou , friendly-like, honestly, I respect you Jex, always have. We don't have to agree to remain on good terms, I'm not here to make enemies, that's why I was so shocked by that dude asking FD to ban me just for suggesting it. lol.
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Uh, hey Aashenfox:
I didn't put words in your mouth, I directly quoted you from just a few posts above. You said people were knee jerking against you because they don't understand the suggestion. I disagree with that, I know that I personally disagree with you because I do understand what you are suggesting. I simply feel it's a very bad idea, and that Frontier has actually hit a great balance with how they've handled their store and microtransactions.
I believe that many of those knee jerkers don't understand what they are knee jerking against, yes. That is my opinion. It has nothing to do with me thinking that anyone who disagrees with me is failing at comprehension. I have no evidence that they comprehend because they articulate in grunts. Stop trying to trap me, I never said or implied that disagreeing with me means they don't understand. Please can we discuss the subject and not semantics? That would be great.
I really have run out of ways to say what I want to get across. Peace guys, no hard feelings to anyone, it's just a forum where we discuss (passionately) the game we all love. I like discussion, I don't like being attacked for raising discussion 'points'.
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Be careful what you wish for; once you have lots of cash, there won’t be any challenge left and you will be bored anyway! #Catch22
You nailed it on the head. Gold rush is the only challenge.
I followed the post trail but it came to a dead end, hence the reason why I asked as I couldn't be bothered to trawl through all the posts. This serriousy looks like a knee jerk reaction to me.
I would with respect suggest that instead of asking not to be attacked, just swallow that in like an elite aikidoist would a less passive aggressive physical communication and recognize that any attack is 100% evidence of their self depreciative state trying as best they can to prevent themselves from realizing that and the truth spoken.
Invalids (those that try to invalidate others instead of feeling confident within) tend to continue strongly along that swampy path and nothing will change that short of themselves. So in the syntax of the I ching, to be in accord with this subj and time cmdr , it is suggested you smile and accept their camouflaged agreement.