You just post a wall of text, only to show your lack of interest/understanding in Exploration
but it's ok.
And no, explorers are not really interested in Elite exploration rank or having 15 accounts all with Elite rank in exploration
This is a review I recently wrote and its a shame, it had so much potential and still does.
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You just post a wall of text, only to show your lack of interest/understanding in Exploration
but it's ok.
And no, explorers are not really interested in Elite exploration rank or having 15 accounts all with Elite rank in exploration
They chucked in a lot of their own money on top of the 1.25 (+) to get it launched.
And they have spent a lot of millions on it afterwards, through horizons and odyssey.
The OP does not like the game, thats fair enough. Its pointless us trying to change his (or anyone elses normally) opinion. I like it, plenty do, through thousands of hours of play.
And they have spent a lot of millions on it afterwards, through horizons and odyssey.
The OP does not like the game, thats fair enough. Its pointless us trying to change his (or anyone elses normally) opinion. I like it, plenty do, through thousands of hours of play.
When I commented on disliking CP2077 intensely, I was offered steam charts comparing it to ED to prove I couldn't possibly think it dreadful by another forum member here
If a game doesn't tick the right boxes, it doesn't.
Your observation is undeniably correct.
Space Engine might be their ideal game then.
And that's the problem, they spent too much focusing on combat.
But I love combat in the smaller ships, the eagles, mark three's etc.
One of the biggest mistake they did was when the python came out. It was an expensive repair bill if you went out in one of them. So they changed it and made it very cheap. Taking away consequence, cost and choice.
As before then,. We don't have ranks of shield generators, replenishing ever 5 seconds. We flew our little medium ships, actually dog fighting and making that choice to run away, as you couldn't recharge ya shield.
It was great fun, short fun battles that you came back for more. Then the shield recharges came out, loads and loads of them and the big ships and combat became along and boring chore devoid of fun.
It also made traders defending themselves much harder, as you would need to take down a 1000 shields before the pirates took damage, therefore cost to repair. Where as before with a single shield, turreted weapons had a chance of taking down the shields, doing damage and cause the pirate to think. Is this worth it? Am I going to get enough goods to cover the cost of damage received. There were choices the player had to make.
Then FDev made it super safe and cheap to pirate in the biggest ships in the game with zero consequence.
P.S. I think mining is the best too, great fun, but spoiled by randomly spawning pirates when your really are in the middle of no where. Like, light years away from the bubble and yet they find you 100% of the time. Awful mechanic.
Thumbs up for your attempt on making it a bit more objective.
However, even with that we have a problematic situation. Clearly you don't see NMS fitting into it. But why? Is the extremly large area in NMS too homogenous in your opinion? Is the environment not dynamic enough? Is the first-person realtime flying "wrong"?
This is what I meant with my statement. IMHO NMS totally fits your points up there. It has an extremely large area to explore, which is not homogenous. It has a dynamic environment, where your actions can make both temporary (creating bases) and persistent changes (naming planets and creatures). The flying part is there, and it has multiplayer.
Granted, it does all these things differently to Elite, but that was what I said.
Really? You think I am joking? Go ask the Hutton Truckers about that. They may point you to a few.And no, explorers are not really interested in Elite exploration rank or having 15 accounts all with Elite rank in exploration
Hence, it's very simple, very basic, no real challenge other than fighting bordem.
Rinse and repeat, no skill involved elite ranking.
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Which game have you been playing?
Thats not exploring, exploring is well, wait for it ........ exploring.
Scanning systems, looking at amazing planets and anomalies, there's always something new to find.
See really boring
Still boring
Best mining experience of any space game, so much to mine, so many ship builds, different types of mining, how is this basic?
Come on how peaceful is this without having to worry that your cargo will self destruct?
There are explorer ships that do things better than others, but why cant i take a non explorer out into the Black?
This game gives you the freedom to do whatever you want, why restrict that?
Makes no sense whatsoever, what in deep space stops me from going anywhere solo that a massive team in a huge ship could do?
Admittedly there are a few places that an FC can get to that normal ships cant but this is a jump range issue not how many folks i have shoveling in the coal.
Wheres the PvP? CQC is a joke and pvp in Open (other than gankers) is pretty much non-existent and i really think Fdev have done nowt to improve it.
Where have they focused on this??
In your opinion, in mine this game is a masterpiece, ive been here two years in December and already clocked up over 4500 hours.
My list of things to do in game would keep me here for another two years even if further content wasn't added.
Now your really having a giraffe, ED can never be compared to that complete failure.
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Indeed Fdev (and some) players do not want any meaningful consequences in this game, that is why any consequences have been reduced again and again. At best the applied fail state is a waste of player time or at worst a prevention of players from playing together.
I disagreed on the PvP part, although I am not what you'd call a PvP player, because the notion you'd get from reading comments is Engineering is (still) negatively effecting loadouts, flight mechanics ("perma-boost") and TTK discrepancy. Also premium ammo seems to be a huge wrench in the gears in that regard (there has been an big thread on that topic on this forum with reasonable suggestions). But the elephant in the room is, there is no framework, apart from maybe PP, that supports PvP. ED just allows it to happen. Yes, there is the bounty system, but it is horribly balanced in the scope of the money system in ED.
Both your arguments rely on the player "looking for things" and "manually managing a list of information" as core of those game loops, which is pretty absurd, that the game does not support the player enough in this regard and especially, since DB explicitly did not want ED to be a game about spreadsheets. But seeing the number of instances, where the game overloads the player so many different items to keep track of, it can be perceived as either sheer incompetence or a straight up lie (unfortunately).
You are right on both accounts, but additonally compared to, for example, The Division EDs combat scenarios are still extremely basic, from the mechanics to the backstory to the variety and the multiplayer aspect. And on-top of all that, there is the time it took Fdev to implement any changes (I would not call them improvements all in all).
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It's tough to be precise about what I mean by "Elite-like" and still get it into a readable forum post, certainly, and I'm not sure I'd do better with more words.
Best I can do is to say that all three points have to be fundamental to the level that if you took any of them out you'd clearly have a different game (or possibly no game at all), which I don't feel is true of NMS which goes very strongly on the first point to the extent that the other two could be removed.
(Or put another way: the X series requires the second and third points and ignores the first; you could mod two million more systems onto one of them and then it would technically do all three, but there'd be a lot more to it than just adding that extra space for it to actually become Elite-like)
I see what you mean. However, I think e.g. BGS could be removed from Elite and most players wouldn't even see a difference.
OTOH, if you remove name tagging or flying from NMS, it would be a different game altogether.
Still I think your list there is really a good check-up to see if something comes close enough to Elite for comparison. Let's call it the Doncaster classification.
Looks nice but maybe too much pew pew for my liking, i like the sloooooooow steady pace
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The important phrase for SC, 'will be'.
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Im in my late 50s mate, bought an SC package at kick off, sadly i think i will be sipping mead with the ancestors long before SC is a game
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What I take from this post is that you're bored of the game. Which is fine.
You know what im prolly being tad mean to SC, its actually closer to being a survival "(game)"
Survive getting out of bed
Survive getting across the concourses
Survive getting to the tram
Survive the tram
Survive getting into the cockpit without using killer ramps
Survive taking off
Survive your mining materials not blowing up
Survive your cargo not falling into space
Survive your mates not dong unscheduled space walks
Survive the annual server wipes
So yeah it may just make it as a game yet
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Survive getting out of bed
Survive getting across the concourses
Survive getting to the tram
Survive the tram
Survive getting into the cockpit without using killer ramps
Survive taking off
Survive your mining materials not blowing up
Survive your cargo not falling into space
Survive your mates not dong unscheduled space walks
Survive the annual server wipes
So yeah it may just make it as a game yet
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I can see where @Ian Doncaster is coming from. From my perspective, NMS is no match for Elite if you love what Elite offers, and it is probably the same the other way around. I just recently (after the 4.0 update) played through the NMS main story (about 50 to 60 hours or so, so not just "dabbgling" or trying it out), and for me, it pales in comparison to Elite in what counts (again, for me) - flying is poor and arcady, ship outfitting lacks the systems Elite offers, buying ships and outfitting them is a pain. Almost all planets are filled to the brim with lifeforms (space *should * be lonely for me), and after having seen about a dozen planets I felt I had seen them all, I was rarely surprised (Edit: To be fair, neither do Elite's planets surprise me anymore; but the "variety" is what you would expect in "real" space). I don't care for base building, I hated the bubblegummy aesthetics, it has no real orbital mechanics... in short: It isn't even remotely rooted in realism. And that's okay. It's not really for me. Elite ticks my boxes, NMS didn't.
People who love NMS will say the same about Elite. So I would say it is a fair asessment that they don't really target the same crowd if you look beyond the superficial "space game" label and thus NMS wasn't the Elite killer it was made to be. The three and a half points Ian listed are where Elite is really strong and NMS is really weak from a certain perspective (the one I prefer). NMS offers very good gameplay for people who love minecraft in space, and I guess Elite would be very poor for those.
Apples and Oranges. They are different games, so naturally one will never replace the other. And that's fine.
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