This is why you shouldn't support the Empire

Julio Montega

Julio Montega
Dremor said:
Just to make it clear to all : as sait before, Imperial slaves are slave by choice. They have enslaved themself to clear their dept.

If they want to stay free, they are free to move to a Federal or independant system.

Imperial slavery is not the same as old earth slavery. An imperial slave is well treated, but not a federal slave (or an employe, name it as you wish)

You can see Imperial slavery as a long-term contract, where the employer have to feed, house and protect his employe. In return, the employe swear to do the work that he is asked to do.

Vive l'Empire!
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Just because your system works,
it does not mean it is a good system.

Paying debts by "voluntarily"
entering a slavery contract
still is slavery.

Imperials, prepare your hatches for
the photons of liberation!

Freedom and liberation,
measured in gigawatts since PB.
 

Blaze Stark

Blaze Stark
technophebe said:
There's no real arguing with this:
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Liberal propaganda, slaverie just help these poor people getting on their feet again to live a long and fullfilled life! Ask any imperial slave how they feel about their situation, then ask a federal 'worker' and realize that the 'workers' are the real slaves which are unhappy and misarable.
 
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technophebe

technophebe
So you'd be happy with a situation in which you had to sell yourself into slavery for your entire 20's to cover the credit card debt you ran up while young and foolish? Regardless of whether it's for your entire life or just a decade, slavery is slavery. A choice between slavery and prison doesn't sound much like "volunteer" slavery to me.

An employee can always choose to get a different job, or leave the federation altogether; a slave cannot. This is not a fine distinction.
 

Panzer

Panzer
I'm in it just for the aristocratic title. Because can't be a proper old-continent villain without that.

Otherwise, I don't give a floating fridge about the empire and their anachronistic, abusive and appalling ways

Very, very stylish ways at that...
 

mugendo

mugendo
Empire, Alliance, Federation......They disagree on everything until the payment is due, then they all pay me with the same universal credit.
You just have to love the 3300 paypal accounting department ;)
 

Sir_Robin

Sir_Robin
Rall said:
In the Empire we can feel superior no matter how poor our grammar, the Emperor wills it.

(Don't tell anyone but I'm not really a Imperial Citizen, just a humble network engineer and Muscle memory is a wonderful thing when typing. If you want to covert decimal into binary I'm your man, English tutelage, maybe not)
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As the saying goes there are only 10 types of people in this galaxy ....

... those who understand binary and those who don't :)
 

Arindor

Arindor
Slaves? If it means cash in my pocket, then who cares about politics or ethics? The mighty galactic credit has my vote because I have to make a living somehow! :)
 

technophebe

technophebe
Arindor said:
Slaves? If it means cash in my pocket, then who cares about politics or ethics? The mighty galactic credit has my vote because I have to make a living somehow! :)
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See I don't mind this so much, at least you're clear on what you believe and why, even if I (strongly) disagree.

What really bothers me most is those who are all "up the empire, let's swallow the propaganda without bothering to think it over for ourselves" or "the federation make people work for a living which makes them slavers too", who are basically secretly ashamed of supporting slavery but refuse to admit it to themselves.
 

Poseidal

Poseidal
mugendo said:
Empire, Alliance, Federation......They disagree on everything until the payment is due, then they all pay me with the same universal credit.
You just have to love the 3300 paypal accounting department ;)
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Since Zaonce is now in the Alliance, does that mean they control (or influence at lest) the Bank of Zaonce now?
 

Ledo

L
Flappers said:
Oh I'm already here, helping the Jera Nationalists... while the Empire sits back and does nothing to aid them.
Someone has to help, so the Federation sent their best midshipman (i.e. Me) along with a few others from our Fleet to help establish order in the region.

Where is the empire fleet while all this broke out? I don't see any capital ships there.
Shocking really, that they only get involved when their own profit is involved.

And you talk about honour.
pssh.

Oh and just to add... if this was in Federation space, none of this would of happened.
We have established order, and people are happy. We deal with crimes, amongst other things in a fair and legal system.
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I am having trouble finding any nationalist Empire factions to rep up with.
 
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Zahlfire

Zahlfire
I purchased a young imperial slave the other day. She is mine for the next 3 years, and I provide her with the same comforts as I have, food and all. She stays with me on my ship and I teach her the different functions and operations of the subsystems. Her primary job is on-the-go maintenance. She keeps my subsystems (that can be safely accessed) well maintained and informs me of any difficulties or issues before they become worse. She has a promising future in ship engineering. After her contract is up, I will offer her a job aboard my ship and I will personally pay for her schooling, should she choose to accept it. Tell me what is wrong with this? Would you prefer that she had been locked up in jail for being unable to pay her debt? Possibly executed? The Federation see us all as lawless beasts who force our own people into debt and slavery. Glory to the Empire!
 

technophebe

technophebe
Zahlfire said:
She is mine for the next 3 years
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This is what's wrong with this. As lead designer Sandro says:

Sandro Sammarco said:
That’s not to say that it’s all sweetness and roses; no one in the Empire wants to be a slave and treatment can vary tremendously from owner to owner.
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Just because one owner chooses to treat his slaves fairly, it does not follow that the system is fair.

I return to a question I've asked before: "Would you want to live out your 20's in slavery because you'd made youthful mistakes with your money?". Living with debt is one thing. In a society where you merely *work* to pay off your debt, at least you have the option to change jobs if, for instance, your boss starts to make "inappropriate" overtures to you. Does anyone deserve to spend the prime of their life without the freedom to choose when they eat or sleep, whether they can have friends, whether they can fall in love; just because of money?

The imperial system rewards the old and rich while punishing the young and inexperienced. The old guard may have persuaded you that this is in your best interests, but the only interests being protected are their own.
 

Blaze Stark

Blaze Stark
technophebe said:
So you'd be happy with a situation in which you had to sell yourself into slavery for your entire 20's to cover the credit card debt you ran up while young and foolish? Regardless of whether it's for your entire life or just a decade, slavery is slavery. A choice between slavery and prison doesn't sound much like "volunteer" slavery to me.
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Of course im not, i don't let myself get in such a situation. But those who do have to pay their debt obviously. And any 20 year old should learn to handly his finances and will act as bad example and determent to all other 20 year old to not be stupid and only buy what one can pay!
 
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