This isn't the game for you? Really?

[Avago Earo]

I agree with the OP. Being shot down for having an opinion or misunderstanding something just drives people away. Then the people criticising end up patting each other on the back with their 'witty' comments and going off topic.

If people can't be bothered to take their time before replying, there's always Facebook.

 

[foxpur]

There have been 3 people I have said, "What you are looking for is not this game. This is not a FPS ." Those were pretty pleased I said it.

 

[Simon853]

As a developer myself, I wouldn't be too happy to see people on my forums discouraging others from buying my product in such a way. Much better to provide information to the prospective purchaser to allow them to make up their own mind on whether it's worth their investment. After all, they may come to it with one set of unfulfilled expectations and yet find a whole lot else they weren't expecting that ultimately provides a richer experience than what they were anticipating. Or maybe they'll walk away, but at least they won't feel bullied and chided.

 

[Xenith]

If someone comes into the forums demanding fundamental changes to what is the core concepts of the game, I think its a valid reply.

Agreed. We've had a lot of this of late, and there really isn't anything else you can say. If you don't like the core concepts, then this most definitely is not the game you are looking for.

 

[Anne Otherplayer]

I agree with the OP. Being shot down for having an opinion or misunderstanding something just drives people away. Then the people criticising end up patting each other on the back with their 'witty' comments and going off topic.

If people can't be bothered to take their time before replying, there's always Facebook.

what's facebook?

 

[macdog]

What I find funniest is that in some threads the references to dead horses appear to match the number of on-topic posts thereby making the thread even longer and keeping it well and truly bumped up the forum!

I've even seen some pick out 1 line out of a rather lengthy post to identify said dead horse (in an otherwise stable of more or less living horses) and post about how dead that horse is.

Sometimes living horses even get identified as dead horses simply because the poster does not agree with a given point (and fails to actually display why said horse is no longer living).

And here I am, making (my first) post about dead horses

(yes, I appreciate some subjects have been debated to death, but in some cases this is clearly a cop-out and besides, if it has been debated to death, why waste any effort posting about it).

 

[Asp Explorer]

what's facebook?

It's a MMO where the aim is to gather as many friends as possible, post the most mundane and uninteresting events imaginable to everyone on the planet, "like" things at companies to get advertising execs feeling all warm and loved, and freely give every governmental organisation on earth more private information than they could ever hope to obtain themselves.

PvP is catered for, PvE is catered for, you have full player avatar control, input method customization, and complete freedom of platform agnosticism.

You can block players at will.

Endgame content revolves around meeting a certain Mr Z, or multiplayer raids in an effort to make cash.

If you choose not to play the game, you are seen as a social outcast with dark motives, and placed in a very special government registry

 

[dale0404]

It's a MMO where the aim is to gather as many friends as possible, post the most mundane and uninteresting events imaginable to everyone on the planet, "like" things at companies to get advertising execs feeling all warm and loved, and freely give every governmental organisation on earth more private information than they could ever hope to obtain themselves.

PvP is catered for, PvE is catered for, you have full player avatar control, input method customization, and complete freedom of platform agnosticism.

You can block players at will.

Endgame content revolves around meeting a certain Mr Z, or multiplayer raids in an effort to make cash.

If you choose not to play the game, you are seen as a social outcast with dark motives, and placed in a very special government registry

Brilliant! Posting to Facebook :/

 

[foxpur]

It's a MMO where.....(

Oh man, EXTRA bonus to Asp Explorer!!! Applaud!!!

 

[Corwyn]

Then offer them advice, not criticism. Point them to the FAQs etc. Acting like elitist snobs isn't going to win and Blue Peter badges.

It's not a matter of being elistist, there are those who come from other games, with preconceived notions about what a space based game is about and how it should be. They demand that FD change ED to suit them, instead of looking beyond what they know, and see ED for what it is.

Players as described above, don't understand that FD is not going to acquiesce to their demands, and when FD doesn't, go about trash talking ED because it's not what they want. At that point, there is no convincing them, or guiding them to information that will enlighten them, and in the long run, they'll end up quite unhappy with the game, and start making other demands like they want their money back.

For these people, sometimes, it's better to advise them to move on, rather than remain unhappy and discontent.

 

[Xenith]

For these people, sometimes, it's better to advise them to move on, rather than remain unhappy and discontent.

People aren't happy unless they're unhappy. It's the golden rule of video games these days.

 

[Corwyn]

People aren't happy unless they're unhappy. It's the golden rule of video games these days.

Perhaps, but those of us who are happy (except for the bugs, which we're helping to exterminate), shouldn't be expected to coddle those who aren't. It's far better for those that aren't happy, to be directed to what will make them happy, rather than bring everyone down along with them.

 

[burzum]

If someone comes into the forums demanding fundamental changes to what is the core concepts of the game, I think its a valid reply.

I agree with that.

 

[Moriarte]

It's not a matter of being elistist, there are those who come from other games, with preconceived notions about what a space based game is about and how it should be. They demand that FD change ED to suit them, instead of looking beyond what they know, and see ED for what it is.

Players as described above, don't understand that FD is not going to acquiesce to their demands, and when FD doesn't, go about trash talking ED because it's not what they want. At that point, there is no convincing them, or guiding them to information that will enlighten them, and in the long run, they'll end up quite unhappy with the game, and start making other demands like they want their money back.

For these people, sometimes, it's better to advise them to move on, rather than remain unhappy and discontent.

Forums are for sharing opinions, not for aggressively jumping to conclusions about players based on who YOU think this game is for in the long run. Thus, something highly presumptuous, like, "this game is not for you", can be changed to politically correct "give it time, you might like what you'll see in the end".

I don't like jets in space. Don't like super cruise mechanic, hate the gimballed weapons idea. Yet i think this is going to become the best space arcade ever because: a), b), c) and d). Is this game not for me? Really?!

 

[Corwyn]

Forums are for sharing opinions, not for aggressively jumping to conclusions about players based on who YOU think this game is for in the long run. Thus, something highly presumptuous, like, "this game is not for you", can be changed to politically correct "give it time, you might like what you'll see in the end".

I don't do politically correct, I don't believe in a soft and cushy world where everyone's feelings need to be protected. I grew up in a time of honesty, where people spoke their minds, even when it might offend another, not to offend them, but because it was the truth as they knew it.

I don't like jets in space. Don't like super cruise mechanic, hate the gimballed weapons idea. Yet i think this is going to become the best space arcade ever because: a), b), c) and d). Is this game not for me? Really?!

Stating that you don't like it is one thing, there are aspects of ED I don't like either, but they are still core to ED, and I know no matter what I beg for, FD won't change it, and I shouldn't demand that they do, I should respect the work they're doing, and help them perfect their work by alerting them to bugs. If I truly think it'll be a game changer for me and make it unbearable, then I should give it up and find something else. To me, there's enough in ED that overcomes 1 or 2 things I don't like, to make it worth my time to remain and give it a chance.

You haven't demanded, at least I haven't seen you demand, that they change something to suit you and your personal tastes, so no, I think you're open minded enough to give it a chance, and see if those things you don't like about it are or aren't game changers.

I do take issue with those that demand FD change core functionality to suit themselves, because it's how another game did it, and they think FD's doing it wrong. That is the wrong approach, if you prefer the way another game does it, don't try to make ED into the other game, go play the game you obviously have preference for, you'll be much happier in the long run. Or, if you believe your ideas are better, go write your own game, with all the aspects you prefer, I'm sure there will be lose that will buy into it. Otherwise, state your opinions, but give ED and FD a chance, maybe you'll find you do appreciate what they're doing.

Having an opinion is fine, and stating it is fine, but making demands because you believe your opinion outweighs everyone else's, including the creators/designers, is rather arrogant.

 

[Anne Otherplayer]

It's a MMO where the aim is to gather as many friends as possible, post the most mundane and uninteresting events imaginable to everyone on the planet, "like" things at companies to get advertising execs feeling all warm and loved, and freely give every governmental organisation on earth more private information than they could ever hope to obtain themselves.

PvP is catered for, PvE is catered for, you have full player avatar control, input method customization, and complete freedom of platform agnosticism.

You can block players at will.

Endgame content revolves around meeting a certain Mr Z, or multiplayer raids in an effort to make cash.

If you choose not to play the game, you are seen as a social outcast with dark motives, and placed in a very special government registry

A good thing to avoid then. On a serious note a lot of people who use it have been passed over for employment based on the crud on their page and never know that's what happened.
If you have an account, delete it immediately.

 

[milkyway_dingo]

I think context in regards to this "This game isn't for you" issue.

Understanding context is a tricky thing to say the least, when people are communicating with pure text. Simply, it is not our natural way of communicating, and as such, the large chunk of the way in which we humans comprehend communication, i.e body language, is just missing on here.

Emotiocons and such are helpful, when applied properly, with trying to claw back some of the context. But in the end, no matter how well a piece of writing is structured, it comes down to peoples own experience with the language.

Now. All of that being said;

I am pretty sure I have perhaps at least once (if not here, somewhere) stated to somebody that "Perhaps this isn't the place for you".

For myself, saying this would not at all have been in any sort of hostile context. It is simply stating what I believe to be true. Not everywhere is the right place for everyone.

I do think by its simple wording that "Maybe this isn't the right place for you" is obviously different then saying "Go away, nobody wants you here."
Of course somebody can use the former statement in a more passive/aggressive tone; That is very hard to gather on a forum constructed purely of text and the (hopefully) properly attributed emotiocon.

Regardless, of making these kinds of statements to somebody, people will make up their own minds given the right time. Such is the way with everything in life.

An example in my own life, was when I signed upto the Gym. The guy who did my induction basically told me in so many words that "This might not be the place for you".
I figured that out a month later. Hindsight being 20/20, if I had listened to him then, I could have saved myself $100

He didn't just take my money, and then tell me that they didn't want me there.

Context.

 

[Megalon]

We have a whole gumut of people joining the forums, buying the beta and trying things out. There are a LOT of questions asked. Some of which are... well... might not make sense to my mindset or my playstyle.

However we really should stop throwing around the 'This isn't the game for you' or 'Bye now!' Or 'There's the door' type comments.

The forums are here to ask questions and to correct some misinformation that might be wrong and accept people whose playstyle doesn't necessarily match our own.

It's okay for people to have different ideas. I can't think of a single reason to reply to a thread 'This isn't the game for you'.

Unless maybe they meant to post in the Zoo Tycoon or Lostwinds forums...

1000xthis^

 

[CATPAIN KIRK]

I agree - however the problem is actually smaller than perceived.

You can't discuss certain topics in a civil manner on these forums because there's always the same small pitchfork wielding mob jumping in and derailing them.

They link DDA posts not proving their point by any stretch, keep repeating the sentence "The devs make the game they want" like a mantra whereas they mean "The devs will make the game I want because I lack basic text comprehension and project my wishes into DDA posts".

Typically, these are the same people calling anything that doesn't involve a hug "griefing" whilst trying to superimpose their views of how the game should be played on others, including their chauvinist views on naming conventions.

I don't even care about most of the topics they gang up on, but sometimes I feel compelled to defend the OP in these topics - not because I agree with the OP they decided to lynch, but because I dislike pitchfork-wielding mobs.


Anyway - if you find yourself attacked by said mob, grow a thick skin and don't let them derail your discussion into the flame-fest they want to make it.

The devs listen to reason - my first thread was about ships backwards speeds being almost the same as forward speeds and how that was counter-intuitive. It was met by some hostility, telling me that the flight model was set in stone and if I didn't like it, I shouldn't let the door hit me on my way out.

Well - backward speeds have been throttled to 40% of forward speeds in the meantime...

 

[withnail]

I have a special place in my heart for the Newtonian dogfighting chaps, mainly for their perseverance I do sometimes wonder if the game is really for them.

Also, the op is right.